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  • #1
  • First Post: Jun 1, 2010 4:52am Jun 1, 2010 4:52am
I was interested in joining currensee until it asked for my brokers username and password upon signup.

Who would be retarded enough to give it to a third party website?

Even if they are legit, it wont be long till someone hacks the site and wipes out thier members accounts.

Crazy

Why do people join it?
  • #2
  • Jun 1, 2010 5:35am Jun 1, 2010 5:35am
Quoting onemind
I was interested in joining currensee until it asked for my brokers username and password upon signup.

Who would be retarded enough to give it to a third party website?

Even if they are legit, it wont be long till someone hacks the site and wipes out thier members accounts.

Crazy

Why do people join it?
I am with you there, onemind. I just can't believe why someone would join organisations that ask for private and security sensitive info. As I see it, it's just a matter of time before all hell breaks loose.
  • #3
  • Jun 1, 2010 5:54am Jun 1, 2010 5:54am
Another point is that giving your account login/pass is probably against your broker rules, that you signed, And you could be responsible in case of problems with your account.

Not a good idea. imho
Getting it right is NOT as important as not getting it wrong.
  • #4
  • Jun 1, 2010 6:01am Jun 1, 2010 6:01am
They should use account history the way myfxbook does.

Will give curensee a wide berth.
  • #5
  • Edited 3:23am Jun 2, 2010 3:23am | Edited 3:23am
You would have to be crazy to trust someone with your private info, the internet is so anonymous anything is possible.
Also beware of some of the private "by invitation" chats, and opening files you haven't scanned first, it is "dog eats dog" out there.
Biggest joker
  • #6
  • Jun 2, 2010 3:37am Jun 2, 2010 3:37am
I also say "no way"!

I'd never give that info out.
  • #7
  • Jun 4, 2010 6:18am Jun 4, 2010 6:18am
Hi!

I was about to join, since we could all use some help with trading, but yes, no way I am giving them login info!

Thanks for thread, it did help me decide against it.

Would anybody recommend any similar site with informations regarding trading decisions?

Have fun,

Simon
Slovenia
  • #8
  • Jul 1, 2010 10:10am Jul 1, 2010 10:10am
First of all All the brokers that we support are well aware that we're asking for user credentials and they are all very supportive of us as they see the proof in what we do that increases trader profitability and sustainability significantly.

The reason we demand that you prove that you are a real trades is to let everyone in the community know that they can exchange information with you in a trusted manner, without this we would be just a forum and there are plenty of places to just talk to people.

One last thing - our community members which is close to 10,000 real broker account from more than 170 countries and hundreds of brokers beat the average month over month and we are seeing that about 30%-40% are profitable month over month so if you are interested in collaboration with real traders take the leap and if you are just here to commiserate then just stay on Forex Factory.

-- Asaf.
  • #9
  • Jul 1, 2010 6:04pm Jul 1, 2010 6:04pm
Quoting asafyigal
First of all All the brokers that we support are well aware that we're asking for user credentials and they are all very supportive of us as they see the proof in what we do that increases trader profitability and sustainability significantly.

The reason we demand that you prove that you are a real trades is to let everyone in the community know that they can exchange information with you in a trusted manner, without this we would be just a forum and there are plenty of places to just talk to people.

One last thing - our community members...
Come on you're clearly asking your members to breach the contract that bind them with their brokers, I really doubt that ANY serious broker, is willing to help you in storing the login/password of their clients, this is just a joke imho.
You can turn this as you want, you're putting the accounts of your members at security risk against their brokers rules, saying otherwise is just pure BS.
Period.

And a last thing, YOU should get out of Forex Factory if you're not happy with this community, WE don't need you, nor asked you for anything !!!
Getting it right is NOT as important as not getting it wrong.
  • #10
  • Jul 1, 2010 6:55pm Jul 1, 2010 6:55pm
Quoting asafyigal
First of all All the brokers that we support are well aware that we're asking for user credentials and they are all very supportive of us as they see the proof in what we do that increases trader profitability and sustainability significantly.
A broker that support this ideas is not a serious one. The danger of having privacy problems with clients accounts(talking about money here) and losing credibility is unacceptable to ANY serious Broker.

Quoting asafyigal
The reason we demand that you prove that you are a real trades is to let everyone in the community know that they can exchange information with you in a trusted manner, without this we would be just a forum and there are plenty of places to just talk to people.
Are you trying to say that trading concepts cannot be discussed/shared with demo accounts examples? Thatīs BS IMO trades showed on demo charts with a teaching/explanatory purpose are more than legit. I prefer looking at a DEMO chart from a profitable/experienced trader than looking at a live chart from a "real" but inexperienced one.
Having a live account is not a sign of knowledge remember the 95%?

Quoting asafyigal
One last thing - our community members which is close to 10,000 real broker account from more than 170 countries and hundreds of brokers beat the average month over month and we are seeing that about 30%-40% are profitable month over month so if you are interested in collaboration with real traders take the leap and if you are just here to commiserate then just stay on Forex Factory.
-- Asaf.
I think that part of your post is enough to show how professional and client friendly you are.

Maybe you should take criticism from a potential customer/member a little more serious instead of being offended because someone found a weakness in your "perfect idea"...

By the way FF is not a chat room there are plenty of wonderful threads that helped a lot of new traders to become profitable along the years( just make a little search for J16,Merlin, Bemac, PeterFM, Ak4x, BillyRay just to name a few) and all of this not just for free but without Broker account info.

People like you that come here just to use FF as a trampolin to their own business and show no respect for otherīs hardwork donīt even deserve to be called members.

Why donīt you just stay away?
  • #11
  • Jul 2, 2010 12:08am Jul 2, 2010 12:08am
Quoting asafyigal

.....so if you are interested in collaboration with real traders take the leap and if you are just here to commiserate then just stay on Forex Factory.

-- Asaf.
It's bad enough that you come here to cast your nets about, but then you slight the very membership you are soliciting with the above remark!? Priceless. Ever think about assigning your public relations details to someone else?

Doesn't matter. This'll be in the bin soon enough.
  • #12
  • Jul 3, 2010 8:06am Jul 3, 2010 8:06am
First of all regarding the broker connectivity, we only as credentials from three brokers, OANDA, Forex.com and MBTrading - for all the others there is a way to sign up for Currensee with giving either a read-only credentials or not giving credentials at all.

Second, we are regulated by the same entity that regulates the broker (The NFA) and that means that the same security and privacy that apply to the brokers apply to us - we have just completed a security audit by the NFA and I can tell you that we are more secure then a few of the brokers out there.

And now for the other comments.

Redsone: Re Trading in Demo.

Yes, Trading in demo and showing to everyone that you are successful in a demo account is not only meaningless but also misleading. The big caveat with demo account is that they don’t resemble anything that happens in reality, not from the trader perspective and definitely not from a broker perspective and this is why they are misleading. From the trader perspective trading is 90% psychology and money management both of them a trader does not experience on a demo account – you should read what John Forman (http://www.theessentialsoftrading.co...ading-success/) and other famous blogger wrote about trading in a Demo. From the broker perspective the demo accounts get executed at the same price you see on the charts where everyone who traded in the market knows that in real life this is not the case.

Rednose: Re: Using FF as a trampoline - Well - I only responded to your concerns here, not trying to recruit anyone and in fact this is a commercial forum - Our community grows naturally and you won't see me trying to convince you to come.

Rennose: Re: Some helpful threads in here - Well - I've looked up a few of the names that you have mentioned and I can guarantee to you that people here that are trying to help others are trying to build a business to themselves, which there is nothing wrong with that, but it means that they are not very successful traders.

The most important thing is that reputation in FF is being determined by how many people think you are a good trader which is based on how many real or manufactured trades you are posting which has nothing to do with the actual performance so you can be in fact taking advice from traders here that don't even trade, post their charts when they win and have everyone else clap their hands every time they say something.

onemind: Re Using account history like myfxbook - using the account info like myfxbook, mt4stats, mt4pips etc. is a very bad thing because you basically upload a file that you can freely manipulate and set whatever numbers you want in it - this is why these places have traders with ridiculously high and ubelievable performance - if you look at our leaderboard in Currensee you wouldn't see these returns from traders because it's all read and there is no way to fake it.

-- Asaf.
  • #13
  • Edited 9:03am Jul 3, 2010 8:34am | Edited 9:03am
Quoting asafyigal
First of all regarding the broker connectivity, we only as credentials from three brokers, OANDA, Forex.com and MBTrading - for all the others there is a way to sign up for Currensee with giving either a read-only credentials or not giving credentials at all.

Second, we are regulated by the same entity that regulates the broker (The NFA) and that means that the same security and privacy that apply to the brokers apply to us - we have just completed a security audit by the NFA and I can tell you that we are more secure then a few of the brokers...

Sorry buddy, but you need to get your facts right, you are only registered as a NFA introducing broker. While the others are CFTC registered FCM's, not really a comparison now is it.


Also Oanda clearly states in their agreement:

You agree to keep your Access Code confidential, change the password associated with your Access Code frequently, and to use your best efforts to prevent unauthorized access to your Account and unauthorized Transactions. You agree that you shall not leave the OANDA FXTrade System running unattended and acknowledge that you do so at your own risk. You agree to provide OANDA with immediate notice upon discovering or determining that your Access Code has been discovered or disclosed or that an unauthorized Transaction has occurred on your Account. You agree that OANDA will not be liable for any losses or damages you may suffer as a result of any such discovery or disclosure of your Access Code or as a result of any such unauthorized Transaction.

Please see here: https://fxtrade.oanda.com/shared/doc..._agreement.pdf

So how can you spout this misinformation here and expect to be taken seriously?

You ridicule FF members, you claim to be held to the same standard as the FCM's and you claim to have the approval of the brokers to be given sensitive login information.

Let me burst your bubble a bit, an IB is not held to the same standards as an FCM, just about any muppet can become an IB, while the process and scrutiny of becoming a FCM is really no comparison. Can you share here your agreement with Oanda allowing you access to their customer's confidential login information? And thirdly can you please apologise to the over 30,000 members here on FF who have made this forum what it is today? And stop insinuating that members here are not real traders unless they join your little setup, that is just childish.

No serious trader would ever follow the calls of another one, let alone your "claimed" 10,000. And that is where you are going wrong, you may have convinced a few investors out of a bit of money so you can pay yourself a wage on the back of retail traders, but for you to claim that there is no other way in trading shows your lack of maturity and understanding of forex trading.

So Asaf, what do we have here, you are clearly another trader who failed to make any money and are now using some gullible noobs so you can make a buck or 2.

Now, if someone wanted to use someone else's strategy to invest, he/she should avoid Currensee like the plague and research some hedgies out there that will beat CS any day of the week and have track records going back decades.

Asaf, you claim that CS is the future and you are an IB registered by the NFA and therefore you are successful can be trusted and know what you are doing. One big flaw in the argument is that "your" traders are just retailers, not registered and only have a minor track record. Why would anyone in their right mind follow them?

And your argument is pretty thin, you claim to have 10,000 members, and only boast about 1,000.000 transactions in a year and you admit here that only 30% of your members are profitable. That is a lot of transactions where CS users can get really hurt.

So what is CS really? Just another peacock competition really. Another setup to make the owners money from investors, advertising and taking a cut from your members as an IB. They will come and go.
  • #14
  • Jul 3, 2010 10:26am Jul 3, 2010 10:26am
Quoting asafyigal
Some helpful threads in here - Well - I've looked up a few of the names that you have mentioned and I can guarantee to you that people here that are trying to help others are trying to build a business to themselves, which there is nothing wrong with that, but it means that they are not very successful traders.
And that same old saw cuts everyone except you I suppose?

You say you can guarantee that J16 and BRV are not successful traders. You must have proof or else how do you guarantee it? But if they belonged to your site, referring others in exchange for "Currensee Bucks" we could then take them more seriously? Keep talking. This is great.
  • #15
  • Jul 3, 2010 11:22am Jul 3, 2010 11:22am
Quoting asafyigal
First of all regarding the broker connectivity, we only as credentials from three brokers, OANDA, Forex.com and MBTrading - for all the others there is a way to sign up for Currensee with giving either a read-only credentials or not giving credentials at all.

Second, we are regulated by the same entity that regulates the broker (The NFA) and that means that the same security and privacy that apply to the brokers apply to us - we have just completed a security audit by the NFA and I can tell you that we are more secure then a few of the brokers...
your just another snake oil salesmen. Following on from the point you made, if it's so good why do you need to sell it?

Your trading not cutting it?
  • #16
  • Jul 3, 2010 4:39pm Jul 3, 2010 4:39pm
Quoting asafyigal
First of all regarding the broker connectivity, we only as credentials from three brokers, OANDA, Forex.com and MBTrading - for all the others there is a way to sign up for Currensee with giving either a read-only credentials or not giving credentials at all.
Ok. Letīs talk clearly here, for other brokers (which pay you a commission for every account open trough you fancy site) you donīt need the login information because they already know whoīs coming from you.

Quoting asafyigal
Second, we are regulated by the same entity that regulates the broker (The NFA) and that means that the same security and privacy that apply to the brokers apply to us - we have just completed a security audit by the NFA and I can tell you that we are more secure then a few of the brokers out there.
Do you really think you are smart and all here at FF a bunch of idiots?

You are pathetic.



Quoting asafyigal
Redsone: Re Trading in Demo.
Itīs REDNOSE.

Quoting asafyigal
Yes, Trading in demo and showing to everyone that you are successful in a demo account is not only meaningless but also misleading.
You should read my post again and try to understand it. "Are you trying to say that trading concepts cannot bediscussed/shared with demo accounts examples? Thatīs BS IMO trade concepts(*) showed on demo charts with a teaching/explanatory purpose are more than legit."
* the word concept was added only to make sure what Iīm trying to say to you if you still didnīt get it.

To explain or discuss a method, idea, system or just technical analisys you donīt make posting live results obligatory.

Quoting asafyigal
The big caveat with demo account is that they don’t resemble anything that happens in reality, not from the trader perspective and definitely not from a broker perspective and this is why they are misleading. From the trader perspective trading is 90% psychology and money management both of them a trader does not experience on a demo account
What psychology concerns I can agree with you because is only monopoly money. But MM can be trained even on a EXCEL sheet.

Quoting asafyigal
– you should read what John Forman(http://www.theessentialsoftrading.co...ading-success/) and other famous blogger wrote about trading in a Demo.
Did you asked them for live results too to prove that they are "real traders"?

Quoting asafyigal
From the broker perspective the demo accounts get executed at the same price you see on the charts where everyone who traded in the market knows that in real life this is not the case.
You really think we are all idiots here right?


Quoting asafyigal
Rednose: Re: Using FF as a trampoline - Well - I only responded to your concerns here, not trying to recruit anyone and in fact this is a commercial forum - Our community grows naturally and you won't see me trying to convince you to come.
You are a commercial member right? and based on your "magnificent" 7 posts here at FF I DO have a feeling that you are here to convince people to join your fancy site if Iīm wrong WHAT THE HELL are you doing here?

Quoting asafyigal
Rennose: Re:
Again..itīs REDNOSE.

Quoting asafyigal
...Some helpful threads in here - Well - I've looked up a few of the names that you have mentioned and I can guarantee to you that people here that are trying to help others are trying to build a business to themselves, which there is nothing wrong with that, but it means that they are not very successful traders.
You can guarantee? ...Iīm all ears...otherwise you should apologize to them for being such a bigmouth.

Quoting asafyigal
The most important thing is that reputation in FF is being determined by how many people think you are a good trader which is based on how many real or manufactured trades you are posting
Maybe you should stop thinking that FF is like your fancy site, thatīs a lot of other parameters to judge if someone ideas/concepts are valid or not. Someone like you should know it.

Quoting asafyigal
which has nothing to do with the actual performance so you can be in fact taking advice from traders here that don't even trade, post their charts when they win and have everyone else clap their hands every time they say something.
Now Iīm sure that you think we are all idiots. Man I donīt know if you realized but you are digginīyourself deeper and deeper in a hole full of sh..t.


Get a life. Maybe it will be a good idea if you just leave and work on your attitude as a "business" man and human bean.

Donīt even bother to reply I already read enough.

If I were your Boss you already had been fired....
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  • #17
  • Jul 3, 2010 5:28pm Jul 3, 2010 5:28pm
Quoting asafyigal
– you should read what John Forman (http://www.theessentialsoftrading.co...ading-success/) and other famous blogger wrote about trading in a Demo.
Trouble is, the above author is also an information marketer. I have no opinion, good or bad, of the author. But by applying your own words and standards, he cannot be "very successful trader".

By asafyigal: ("Well - I've looked up a few of the names that you have mentioned and I can guarantee to you that people here that are trying to help others are trying to build a business to themselves, which there is nothing wrong with that, but it means that they are not very successful traders.")

I'm still waiting for the proof that James16 and BRV are "not very successful traders." You said you can guarantee it. The whole theme of your site is supposedly based on truth, yet you cannot back up your own words here.
  • #18
  • Jul 4, 2010 6:48am Jul 4, 2010 6:48am
Quoting cloggie
Sorry buddy, but you need to get your facts right, you are only registered as a NFA introducing broker. While the others are CFTC registered FCM's, not really a comparison now is it.

You ridicule FF members, you claim to be held to the same standard as the FCM's and you claim to have the approval of the brokers to be given sensitive login information.

Let me burst your bubble a bit, an IB is not held to the same standards as an FCM, just about any muppet can become an IB, while the process and scrutiny of becoming a FCM is really no comparison....
Seems like you know a thing or two about being an IB? Are you an unregulated IB?

The reality is that while you may be right outside the US, being regulated as an IB by the NFA is a very very difficult task, it took us close to a year to get regulated and when they audit us it take more than 6 months and yes we are held to the same standards as the FCMs with respect to privacy and security - the NFA has a single security and privacy policy that every member should comply with.

You may now know this but there are less then 50 regulated Forex IBs in the US so this is not an easy task to achieve.


Quoting cloggie
Also Oanda clearly states in their agreement:

[i]You agree to keep your Access Code confidential, change the password associated with your Access Code frequently, and to use your best efforts to prevent unauthorized access to your Account and unauthorized Transactions. You agree that you shall not leave the OANDA FXTrade System running unattended and acknowledge that you do so at your own risk. You agree to provide OANDA with immediate notice upon discovering or determining that your Access Code has been discovered or disclosed or that an unauthorized...
We are an approved partner of OANDA so call them up and see what they say before you jump into conclusions. In fact we are one of two companies that OANDA has agreed to give the API to and trust.

Quoting cloggie
No serious trader would ever follow the calls of another one, let alone your "claimed" 10,000. And that is where you are going wrong, you may have convinced a few investors out of a bit of money so you can pay yourself a wage on the back of retail traders, but for you to claim that there is no other way in trading shows your lack of maturity and understanding of forex trading.
And you know this how? We are not targeting the noobs and this is why our community which consists mostly of professional trades, money managers and CTAs is successful. One other point you have wrong is about the money we make - the community is free and we don't make a dime by doing that, we don't force or mandate traders to be under our IB and if you knew how much money we make you'd laugh. We have developed the social network to help traders it's that simple and in fact we have helped a lot of traders.

Quoting cloggie
So Asaf, what do we have here, you are clearly another trader who failed to make any money and are now using some gullible noobs so you can make a buck or 2.
We're not making money from the social network - this is done to help traders.

Quoting cloggie
Now, if someone wanted to use someone else's strategy to invest, he/she should avoid Currensee like the plague and research some hedgies out there that will beat CS any day of the week and have track records going back decades.
For once we agree - if you are looking to replicate some else strategy than don't come to Currensee - Currensee is for trades that want to collaborate around real trades in real time with real traders - it's not for copying strategies.

Quoting cloggie
Asaf, you claim that CS is the future and you are an IB registered by the NFA and therefore you are successful can be trusted and know what you are doing. One big flaw in the argument is that "your" traders are just retailers, not registered and only have a minor track record. Why would anyone in their right mind follow them?

And your argument is pretty thin, you claim to have 10,000 members, and only boast about 1,000.000 transactions in a year and you admit here that only 30% of your members are profitable. That is a lot of transactions where...
I claim that Currensee is better then a forum because you know who you are talking to and know how good they really are before collaborating with them but it's not for everyone.

We have 10,000 accounts now but we started about a year ago so in the beginning we had 20 accounts and this is why the transactions are at about 1.3M at the moment - we are processing more than 400,000 transactions a month these days and growing in a very high rate.

30% of the trades make money is more than the industry average which is 95% of traders lose money, having said that though as you might expect and probably know from your own experience traders loose a lot of money trading forex and the overall community as a whole looses money. We never claim to make traders more profitable we just make the collaboration between traders more productive and thus attract the ones that are really interested in learning how to trade and become better.

Quoting cloggie
So what is CS really? Just another peacock competition really. Another setup to make the owners money from investors, advertising and taking a cut from your members as an IB. They will come and go.
We are not making money from our traders and they are not under our IB. Currensee was built by traders that want to help other traders communicate with one another - that's all - very simple.

-- Asaf.
  • #19
  • Jul 4, 2010 7:12am Jul 4, 2010 7:12am
Quoting Rednose
Ok. Letīs talk clearly here, for other brokers (which pay you a commission for every account open trough you fancy site) you donīt need the login information because they already know whoīs coming from you.
None of the brokers pay commission for the traders in Currensee - we don't make a dime from the free community this was all done to help traders communicate better.

Quoting Rednose
You should read my post again and try to understand it. "Are you trying to say that trading concepts cannot bediscussed/shared with demo accounts examples? Thatīs BS IMO trade concepts(*) showed on demo charts with a teaching/explanatory purpose are more than legit."
* the word concept was added only to make sure what Iīm trying to say to you if you still didnīt get it.
I got it and yet they cannot be discussed on a demo graph that you don't know if the person is taking the trade and how he manage the risk while in the trade. When you have a set up that you believe in and you trade in a real account and after the first hour your account is down $1000 you are starting to think that might have been wrong, in a demo you close the screen go have dinned and come back to a winning trade - so yes set ups on Demo are not even close to reality.


Quoting Rednose

Did you asked them for live results too to prove that they are "real traders"?
Nop - These are bloggers not traders and I didn't ask them anything - just been following their blogs - is this wrong?

Quoting Rednose
You really think we are all idiots here right?

You are a commercial member right? and based on your "magnificent" 7 posts here at FF I DO have a feeling that you are here to convince people to join your fancy site if Iīm wrong WHAT THE HELL are you doing here?
How many times can I say - I am not here to recruit anyone - we don't make money from the traders - I am just here trying to answer the question of security and privacy and you are attacking me.

I also don't think that people here are idiots, in fact most of traders that come to Currensee indicate in their registration that they are from FF and apparently were disseminated by the lack of transparency.



Quoting Rednose
You can guarantee? ...Iīm all ears...otherwise you should apologize to them for being such a bigmouth.
Well - There is only one solution to it - have them sign to Currensee with their real accounts and lets see if they are any good - and I am not trying to convince them to join or you or anyone else and we're not making more from a FREE social network but there isn't anything out there today that can capture performance from real accounts like we do - so if you find something else refer them to that place and take a look.


Quoting Rednose
Maybe you should stop thinking that FF is like your fancy site, thatīs a lot of other parameters to judge if someone ideas/concepts are valid or not. Someone like you should know it.
I don't judge FF or the people here - it's obviously a successful place - but for a lot of traders especially the professional ones this is not the solution.


Quoting Rednose
Now Iīm sure that you think we are all idiots. Man I donīt know if you realized but you are digginīyourself deeper and deeper in a hole full of sh..t.

Get a life. Maybe it will be a good idea if you just leave and work on your attitude as a "business" man and human bean.

Donīt even bother to reply I already read enough.

If I were your Boss you already had been fired....
Well - all I can say is that I am lucky that you are not my boss ;-)

I never said that people here are idiots and I don't think that - I do think that in the financial world collaboration without transparency is lacking and misleading and if there is another FREE alternative then why not.

-- Asaf.
  • #20
  • Jul 4, 2010 7:26am Jul 4, 2010 7:26am
Quoting billflet
Trouble is, the above author is also an information marketer. I have no opinion, good or bad, of the author. But by applying your own words and standards, he cannot be "very successful trader".
I have no idea - I just brought this as an Example of someone in the industry talking about demo account - he can be a good trader and can be a bad trader - I don't know.

Quoting billflet
I'm still waiting for the proof that James16 and BRV are "not very successful traders." You said you can guarantee it. The whole theme of your site is supposedly based on truth, yet you cannot back up your own words here.
I couldn't find BRV but it sure seems like James16 is using this forum to attract traders to purchase his training package - ever wondered why he is not in the commercial forum? Try having him link his real account to Currensee (or other site that can show his real performance) and lets see if he can trade or not.

-- Asaf.
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