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  • #321
  • Jun 21, 2010 6:41am Jun 21, 2010 6:41am
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  • #322
  • Jun 21, 2010 6:46am Jun 21, 2010 6:46am
Quoting malcolmb14
note a few things

1 ) the area we saw stopping vol was whole number
2) also three dotted red lines = three point of controls or high vol pivots form prior sessions
3) also lower value area of Friday
4) ultra high vol on 15 and 30 .... stopping vol

with out hulls being green i knew it was higher risk play

I have tried to show this trade blow by blow thru asia..... no bull shit just post it as i see it.

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When you put it this way, it seems there were plenty of reasons to go long and not have to wait for HMA to turn.

Congrats on the great trade.
On a journey to consistency.
  • #323
  • Jun 21, 2010 8:43am Jun 21, 2010 8:43am
Quoting malcolmb14
looking better

ftse found buyers 5300

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stopped out .... what went wrong ...

on the long did not wait for hulls to turn . The very best sets ups are when trend changes , hulls changes after seeing strength and we get tests

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  • #324
  • Jun 21, 2010 8:46am Jun 21, 2010 8:46am
Quoting supremeChaos
scrub, as in remove volume?
u are saying that in a VSA thread?!
if vol. is unreliable to you & u dont know how to read it, well it's not necessarily everybody's problem...


FXDD demo or live?
Thanks Sir!
yeah lets get rid of volume ....lol...

there is always one ...but has a valid arguement. You could blindly trade a hulls moving average
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  • #325
  • Jun 21, 2010 8:51am Jun 21, 2010 8:51am
Quoting BackTestDummy
I would scrub the 'volume' and just stick with the HMA - it will give you far more reliable signals.
You remind me of some of my marathon buddies , they are begging
for water and wanna quit at mile 2.5 , don't give up that easily buddy//lol

SM wins!!!
  • #326
  • Jun 21, 2010 8:52am Jun 21, 2010 8:52am
even i read all the post this thread i did not find out the main point for hull ma and vsa trading method can all the masters sharing the basic method and the effect tf, thanks

we are not the signal begger but trading methods begger
  • #327
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:06am Jun 21, 2010 9:06am
Quoting popo
even i read all the post this thread i did not find out the main point for hull ma and vsa trading method can all the masters sharing the basic method and the effect tf, thanks

we are not the signal begger but trading methods begger
Maybe Mal could explain more , i just got into it. But i use it like i would
use the trend diamond on TG--wanna trade with the prevailing trend,,
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  • #328
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:09am Jun 21, 2010 9:09am
Quoting popo
even i read all the post this thread i did not find out the main point for hull ma and vsa trading method can all the masters sharing the basic method and the effect tf, thanks

we are not the signal begger but trading methods begger

I am showing method by example...

note how i tracked the trade in Asia yesterday

also note when I observed the stopping vol at 1,4880 last night and said going long i said not the best trade as hulls is not yet green.

I think by showing examples and blow by blow of trades it is a better way of learning

none of my postings are meant as signals for others to trade ...

If gu is turning here for move back to top of range then hulls 21 should be green and then trade entries can be taken on tests

I am already in this one at 1.4825 due to bounce and strength off my wp

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  • #329
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:17am Jun 21, 2010 9:17am
Quoting taomql4
Maybe Mal could explain more , i just got into it. But i use it like i would
use the trend diamond on TG--wanna trade with the prevailing trend,,

exactly ....4 hr gu is a potential top reversal ..... but hulls still green so any sells should be taken with caution as trend is just trying to change.

Hulls is used just like the trend diamonds on tg .

if 4 hr hulls green , 2 hr green , 60 min green then we strength come in on a 15 min and we get long with a green hulls then we are trading with trend on higher time frame and more chance for trade to work

the other way I use it is to show me daily direction. we know that days range in gu is about 150 pip. a hulls 21 and 50 combined will keep you in trade you have sign strength or weakness .

right now based on trend diamonds tg we are in range ...
15 down
30 down
1 h flat to turning down
2 h up
4 h up

daily gu if today closes on an inverted hammer is somewhat bearish .

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  • #330
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:24am Jun 21, 2010 9:24am
use of vsa and hulls example.

gu Friday London

we saw climatic action at top ... then ut of sorts to test that climatic action bar high. This was our vsa entry

then hulls turns red and we follow that down staying in the trade as long as possible

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  • #331
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:29am Jun 21, 2010 9:29am
Quoting malcolmb14
stopped out .... what went wrong ...

on the long did not wait for hulls to turn . The very best sets ups are when trend changes , hulls changes after seeing strength and we get tests

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Hi Malcolm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

You called the trade before this price action. The strong move up had no follow through and then an up thrust (sorry at 50 this old dog hasn't got your lingo down pat) suggested more downside?

I know you hate fxpro's vol with a passion but on numerous charts of yours that I've had a look at its been pretty close.
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  • #332
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:33am Jun 21, 2010 9:33am
currently ES has hit resistance 1125 and is not interested in going higher , in fact if anything it wants to fill gap back to 1110

almost looks like the ' yuan' news designed to move es higher and put it in a distribution phase today ...now that kind of manipulation would not happen would it ...lol

My bets are that housing news tomorrow is worse than expected , and that is why we see distribution today just under resistance on es . I am interested to see if we see the same buying on bad news dips that we saw last week.
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  • #333
  • Jun 21, 2010 9:53am Jun 21, 2010 9:53am
i am trading 15mins chart but i did not get idea for this today
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  • #334
  • Jun 21, 2010 10:04am Jun 21, 2010 10:04am
Quoting popo
i am trading 15mins chart but i did not get idea for this today

gu is toppy on daily and the fact that you did not find direction today is mostly due to that , a battle between buyers and sellers

I have made 100 pip lost 30 and stopped out break even , last being on vsa trades that should have worked

the large gap on es that is trying to fill is not allowing fx pairs to move up.

the 30 min has some signs strength on support but the market is not ready to rise.

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  • #335
  • Jun 21, 2010 10:07am Jun 21, 2010 10:07am
Malcomb,

Any chance you can post your Better Volume Indicator for Esignal.

Thanks in advance
  • #336
  • Jun 21, 2010 10:09am Jun 21, 2010 10:09am
Hi all.
EJ made new high in early London trade (supported UJ buying, China buy USD today) and run into sell orders around 113.30.Im still in, initial [email protected].

PS: thanks for sharing views to all people here. Im learning much every day.
sry for my english
lower.
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  • #337
  • Jun 21, 2010 11:13am Jun 21, 2010 11:13am
Quoting Vantage
....
I know you hate fxpro's vol...
to confirm,.. your chart is FXPro live, correct?
Thanks!
  • #338
  • Jun 21, 2010 11:17am Jun 21, 2010 11:17am
Quoting popo
even i read all the post this thread i did not find out the main point for hull ma and vsa trading method....
from the onset, i think there is a language problem & a problem with VSA definitions.
u have to deal with these (potential) issues first before u can move on.

i think hull is for trend definition & confirmation, while VSA is for analysis (& looking for entries & exits)

Hope that helps
  • #339
  • Jun 21, 2010 11:26am Jun 21, 2010 11:26am
Quoting supremeChaos
to confirm,.. your chart is FXPro live, correct?
Thanks!
Yes it is.
  • #340
  • Jun 21, 2010 11:26am Jun 21, 2010 11:26am
Quoting supremeChaos
from the onset, i think there is a language problem & a problem with VSA definitions.
u have to deal with these (potential) issues first before u can move on.

i think hull is for trend definition & confirmation, while VSA is for analysis (& looking for entries & exits)

Hope that helps
I use MAs - be they hull or others - firstly as a filter (dont sell when MA is green / price is above MA and vice-versa) and to help keep me in a trade......I believe that Malcolm does too....
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