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  • #7,781
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:13pm Jun 15, 2010 4:13pm
Quoting malcolmb14
why not ? do you know the amount of hours it took them to do this , and you guys want a freebie. You should willingly pay to get that nice software. Learn vsa and you will never be broke again .

for a mere $1 k I will do one on one mentorship for 2 weeks straight , three hours a day for 100pip min , just like my weekly es chart posted last week and aj chart posted this morning.... lol

this is not hard to learn with or without fancy software ... BUT like everything you have to put your time in and study.

I dont blame him for making money out of it however, he has led us to believe that he is giving it freely to the thread members. When Aasgard (or what ever his name was) questioned him over this, Shamus slated him for suggesting that he was going to make money out of SMART. In hind site, it's obvous that this was the main reason that he was banned from this thread.

Guess it wont be long before I'm banned too cos I think what Shamus has done is rediculas. If he was going to make money out of it, he should have been up front about that fact right from the off and started a thread about SMART in the appropriate section here at FF.
  • #7,782
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:15pm Jun 15, 2010 4:15pm
Quoting Intel
You have posted MANY times about SMART in this thread while you were making us believe you were giving it freely.

Why is now any different?


Otherwise you would have been so interested?

Most of the men who become "famous" here on FF does the same....

Wake up guys.....

Lubo.

P.s. Good job Shamus..

2nd P.s. Anyway if u had understand VSA don't need Smart, or u can just follow Malc.......
If I know how, I tell You!! Few but Good!!
  • #7,783
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:18pm Jun 15, 2010 4:18pm
It was said that we should be expecting it this week.

We were even told to check SPAM filters earlier this week..

If it is being charged for, Shamus will end up being a commercial member.

I'm not saying it should be free and I was surprised the whole time that it was said that it's going to be...

So, Shamus I guess we SHOULD NOT now be expecting your email?

Donnie
  • #7,784
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:21pm Jun 15, 2010 4:21pm
Quoting Shamus
We are having some issues with the mailing. We are trying smaller batches.

In the meantime I thank you for your patience.
Was this for all of your paying customers? How many SMART systems have you guys already sold?
  • #7,785
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:22pm Jun 15, 2010 4:22pm
Quoting LuboLabo
Otherwise you would have been so interested?

Most of the men who become "famous" here on FF does the same....

Wake up guys.....

Lubo.

P.s. Good job Shamus..
YES I would still be interested in SMART.

It's the learning of VSA which has kept me here not the thought of a freebie. That is way more important than software.

SMART is probably just another 'flavour' of Tradeguider (maybe better, who knows). ALL of the top vsa guys here have said that having the software won't make you a successful trader but, it might help.

I just feel that we have been deceived in this thread.
  • #7,786
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:24pm Jun 15, 2010 4:24pm
Quoting Intel
I dont blame him for making money out of it however, he has led us to believe that he is giving it freely to the thread members....

Intel. Asgard was banned because he was retarded and derailing the thread and you need to reread what was said.

Originally chuck and I were not going to sell SMART but after deciding to port it over to windows and all the effort and energy that went into it we decided to charge a small bit for it.

I understand this might make some people upset and you can contact me via pm or the chat to discuss.
The trend always ends.
  • #7,787
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:27pm Jun 15, 2010 4:27pm
Quoting Intel

I just feel that we have been deceived in this thread.
What? I have been keeping this thread organized and on track for a very long time... Long before SMART was even an idea so I don't understand why you would say this. I don't want to keep saying this... pm me or live chat if you want to discuss as this is not the place for this and I will not clutter up the thread with it.
The trend always ends.
  • #7,788
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:32pm Jun 15, 2010 4:32pm
Quoting Intel
YES I would still be interested in SMART.

It's the learning of VSA which has kept me here not the thought of a freebie. That is way more important than software.

SMART is probably just another 'flavour' of Tradeguider (maybe better, who knows). ALL of the top vsa guys here have said that having the software won't make you a successful trader but, it might help.

I just feel that we have been deceived in this thread.
I have always a question in my mind, why one should waste his time to create something and sell it, if this works so well, why not use it to themselves to make money?

Have you the answer? I think so!

Lubo.
If I know how, I tell You!! Few but Good!!
  • #7,789
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:35pm Jun 15, 2010 4:35pm
Quoting LuboLabo
I have always a question in my mind, why one should waste his time to create something and sell it, if this works so well, why not use it to themselves to make money?

Have you the answer? I think so!

Lubo.
For the most part, you are correct. It depends on the price imo. There are some systems/indicators/modules that are worth a fee.

Tradeguider or esignal are great examples.
  • #7,790
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:40pm Jun 15, 2010 4:40pm
Quoting LuboLabo
I have always a question in my mind, why one should waste his time to create something and sell it, if this works so well, why not use it to themselves to make money?

Have you the answer? I think so!

Lubo.
The idea for smart was to create a VSA trainer. A lot of people in the thread and chat seemed to have difficulty spotting setups and with certain concepts such as Background. This is why SMART was created.
The trend always ends.
  • #7,791
  • Edited 5:16pm Jun 15, 2010 4:52pm | Edited 5:16pm
Quoting Shamus
The idea for smart was to create a VSA trainer. A lot of people in the thread and chat seemed to have difficulty spotting setups and with certain concepts such as Background. This is why SMART was created.
I trust you, then you could always organize a donation system to repay your noble work you have done for others.

Lubo.

P.s. It's only my thought, anyway this is not my business, sorry for the intrusion.
If I know how, I tell You!! Few but Good!!
  • #7,792
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:53pm Jun 15, 2010 4:53pm
haha this is too funny,

Purchase Items: SMART Trader Base System - ($349.95)

atleast leave a little note, such as: to all those who contributed, thanks for your time, effort and money.
  • #7,793
  • Jun 15, 2010 4:59pm Jun 15, 2010 4:59pm
Smart..whatever...
if it will help great...get it...nothins free.
according to experienced VSA'ers we don't need it..
put the energy in and learn VSA.
that's what I am trying to do...start another thread if need be..for smart.. but let's keep on track here...and keep posting charts with setups. background and entries....for me...they are a great help.

A
  • #7,794
  • Jun 15, 2010 5:10pm Jun 15, 2010 5:10pm
Quoting Twiitch
Smart..whatever...
if it will help great...get it...nothins free.
according to experienced VSA'ers we don't need it..
put the energy in and learn VSA.
that's what I am trying to do...start another thread if need be..for smart.. but let's keep on track here...and keep posting charts with setups. background and entries....for me...they are a great help.

A
I agree.
The trend always ends.
  • #7,795
  • Jun 15, 2010 5:17pm Jun 15, 2010 5:17pm
Quoting LuboLabo
Otherwise you would have been so interested?

Most of the men who become "famous" here on FF does the same....

Wake up guys.....

Lubo.

P.s. Good job Shamus..

2nd P.s. Anyway if u had understand VSA don't need Smart, or u can just follow Malc.......
yeah .... I have a SMART system also

how to SMARTLY go from having an account to blowing it up in under a week ... damn I need a predictive indicator for that

You are right htough VSA is not hard to master if one puts in the time . No fancy arse software is going to make us good traders. That is what most do not understand. Just cause a system or method of trading does not work for them after 2 weeks they give up .

The aj long this morning was awesome , as were my gu, eu and aj longs form the weekend when I was going on about having a crystal ball .

I have modified my system slightly so i do not have to be around as much and have better volume indie programmed to email me alerts ( for esignal only and tied to user name) .... once i get an alert I can come to the computer , also my primary alert is hulls moving average on a 15 / 30 min time frame indicating trend is changing , then I can come to the computer and see if there is strength or weakness in the background. Pretty nice and does not need hours infront of a computer.

Right now hulls 21 on a 15 eu is heading down in a bull flag , once this turns up in London ( if it does ) then flag , then we see 120 pip move up , i will be looking for low vol test , shakes outs or stopping vol once i receive alerts
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  • #7,796
  • Jun 15, 2010 5:26pm Jun 15, 2010 5:26pm
I just wanted to post from london to thank all the regular contributors on here you know who you are for your time and sharing of VSA and the great and unique insights you each add to the tapestry. After studying and practicing VSA with MT4 and betterVolume indicator i am really getting the hang of the patterns and have put in alot of time into this as it indeed takes and patience too. Now really focusing on the background as is so regularly pointed out (always looking back to left of chart) to add to the art of this trading style and finding higher probability setups.

After using the better volume on MT4 and now using esignal for various other reasons and the volume data which although i find is comparable to the key MT4 brokers as mentioned on the thread but i do find the quality that bit more reliable.

I notice some members also use esignal and have the better volume as an EFS - is this available on here as i didnt see in the attachments. I think malcolmb uses this in his esignal page setups??

any guidance on this would be appreciated.

keep up the good work guys.
  • #7,797
  • Jun 15, 2010 5:27pm Jun 15, 2010 5:27pm
I appreciate you guys pming me directly rather than cluttering the thread but please allow pm's otherwise I cannot respond. You can turn this on in your user control panel.
The trend always ends.
  • #7,798
  • Jun 15, 2010 6:26pm Jun 15, 2010 6:26pm
Quoting malcolmb14
yeah .... I have a SMART system also

.....

I have modified my system slightly so i do not have to be around as much and have better volume indie programmed to email me alerts ( for esignal only and tied to user name) .... once i get an alert I can come to the computer , also my primary alert is hulls moving average on a 15 / 30 min time frame indicating trend is changing , then I can come to the computer and see if there is strength or weakness in the background. Pretty nice and does not need hours infront of a computer.

Right now hulls...

thanks malc for posting your thought process. so this is what you're saying:

1. first look for HMA to make a turn, this is your primary condition/filter
2. look for VSA signals to look for possible trend change

is this right?
  • #7,799
  • Jun 15, 2010 6:38pm Jun 15, 2010 6:38pm
Quoting djarum11
thanks malc for posting your thought process. so this is what you're saying:

1. first look for HMA to make a turn, this is your primary condition/filter
2. look for VSA signals to look for possible trend change

is this right?
here is what I am thinking . many in here htink vsa is one candle. I have said over and over it is not it is all about background.

HUlls alerts me to trend change .. sure I may get in the trade late BUT remeber most 21 day ranges right now are 150 pip on gu / eu and 200 on aj / gj

I can have a life .. look at chart take trade , set stop under area of strenght ... close trade when hulls tells me trend is changing or a lot of time i set TP .8 ( 80 % ) x daily range

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  • #7,800
  • Jun 15, 2010 7:03pm Jun 15, 2010 7:03pm
great, thanks malc. your screens are always helpful.

i know it is important to have both a 1. setup (or filter) and 2. trigger

do you recommend the HMA21 for M30 and H1 timeframes as well? what should i look for when experimenting with HMA values?
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