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  • #781
  • Jan 19, 2010 2:25pm Jan 19, 2010 2:25pm
Hummm....

Either EU and GU stops probably resting above. NY is about to close.....MAYBE something happens.


Anyway, too much cats out of the bag these parts lately
  • #782
  • Jan 19, 2010 2:55pm Jan 19, 2010 2:55pm
Quoting StonerRock
Hummm....

Either EU and GU stops probably resting above. NY is about to close.....MAYBE something happens.


Anyway, too much cats out of the bag these parts lately
Don't worry,

The cats are stuck in the bag. I just thought I'd offer some analysis to pass time.
  • #783
  • Jan 25, 2010 3:51pm Jan 25, 2010 3:51pm
what i learned recently from one of the threads here in ff is to wait, the market will eventually show you the way patience is THE true virtue in fx world
  • #784
  • Feb 16, 2010 8:20pm Feb 16, 2010 8:20pm
Threads like these make me want to kill kittens.
  • #785
  • Feb 16, 2010 11:03pm Feb 16, 2010 11:03pm
Quoting Deusomega
Threads like these make me want to kill kittens.
kill kittens?
cats have rights too.
  • #786
  • Mar 9, 2010 10:46pm Mar 9, 2010 10:46pm
Well thats kind of sad. You guys spent like 7 months working on this stuff and didn't come up with any conclusions. Anyone still interested in the subject?
  • #787
  • Mar 9, 2010 10:48pm Mar 9, 2010 10:48pm
Quoting Darkstar
Well thats kind of sad. You guys spent like 7 months working on this stuff and didn't come up with any conclusions. Anyone still interested in the subject?
I've been thinking about it all the time lately... truely becomes an obsession. And yes still extremely interested in it. I want to figure out the stuff so much I can taste it. But yeah I have only been working on it for the last month really in depth reading.
  • #788
  • Mar 9, 2010 11:37pm Mar 9, 2010 11:37pm
I think the conversation has recently continued a little bit at this thread: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=223371
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #789
  • Mar 9, 2010 11:48pm Mar 9, 2010 11:48pm
Quoting Deusomega
I've been thinking about it all the time lately... truely becomes an obsession.
LOL, for me it has been this way for about 3 years. Coincidence exactly today i came through interesting information wich i need to backtest. I am already making backtest almost 24h a day in the last two weeks... and now i have ideas to test at least 3 more possibilities.
  • #790
  • Mar 10, 2010 12:28am Mar 10, 2010 12:28am
Quoting Darkstar
Well thats kind of sad. You guys spent like 7 months working on this stuff and didn't come up with any conclusions. Anyone still interested in the subject?

I've learned a heck of a lot and am still plugging away, but have not found whatever it is you do. You're a legend around here man, even on google itself. The essays you penned about spreads and the structuring of FX brokers is scattered all over the place. Anyways...

I am of the mindset that if I keep studying and quit asking for the answers that I'll 'make it.' Gaston said a couple of times that he made it by way of a curious mind and the ability to ask the right questions. I like that and I am inclined to beleive him.

Don't get me wrong though, I belevie I have found some very curious and peculiar things, but I wouldn't put 12.5% of my account on any of it. What you shared here a while back as this thread was winding down was mostly criteria that most of us would not be able to pull off. Like having a friend inside a bank. If your success is hinged upon factors like that then no wonder so few of us have 'figured it out.'

It would be my hope that your success was built on a solid understanding of the market and an uncanny ability to extract information out of what is mostly obscure data to the rest of us.

Thanks for keeping us honest,

Scotty B
  • #791
  • Edited 11:42am Mar 13, 2010 8:29am | Edited 11:42am
Quoting Scotty B
I've learned a heck of a lot and am still plugging away, but have not found whatever it is you do. You're a legend around here man, even on google itself. The essays you penned about spreads and the structuring of FX brokers is scattered all over the place. Anyways...
It seems you haven't read the "practitioners point of views". (uuups, sorry, it seems you have...and you liked it too ....was saying that because the "essays" you referred to were somewhat extractions from the book, if i remember correctly ...damn, maybe i'm just full of it )

Quoting Scotty B
I am of the mindset that if I keep studying and quit asking for the answers that I'll 'make it.' Gaston said a couple of times that he made it by way of a curious mind and the ability to ask the right questions. I like that and I am inclined to beleive him.

Don't get me wrong though, I belevie I have found some very curious and peculiar things, but I wouldn't put 12.5% of my account on any of it. What you shared here a while back as this thread was winding down was mostly [b][u][color=Red]criteria that most of us would not be able to pull...
i believe you're definitely right when it comes to order flow and its availability to the public and that it's a major advantage to the player who has it. And why wouldn't it be when you thing about the general principle of markets: if you expect to win someone has to lose.

Don't get me wrong thinking that: "if i could just get my hands on it...". When you throw the info to a total noob with no market knowledge nor experience he/she could do nothing with it. Furthermore, THERE ARE publicly available so called "order flow reports" out there but that's for gauging the bigger picture not trading the daily "noise". You still have to understand who and why are trading (moving) the markets. (heh, easy for me to say, this subject gets me confused too, but i am working desperately day in and out to figure at least something out.)

Also, I don't know if it's just me but the more i trade the more i feel the pchycological side of trading. And not the pchycology you hear in the media where thousands of books are sold saying you must have a winning attitude and blablabla. For me, it has solely come from experience. If you have blown up your account you get the feeling. If you keep adding to a loser waiting for the market to turn YOU GET THE FEELING. No matter what the books say you don't know what it's like to be pregnant and have a baby if you are a dude .

With order flow you don't bet on the mathematical probability of market movement you literally have a REASON to buy or sell at a certain level. Those are the reasons I'm after.

Given the above you could profit handsomely having a risk adjusted position.

It seems Darkstar has both, the resources as well the ability. You could do (i believe) without the resources but not without the other. Coupled with the ability to understand the fundamentals and the economy as a whole and knowing how to put fundamental value together with market value - and you have yourself a trader.

Anyways, it's great to have you around again Darkstar and thanks for posting and yes, i am still interested in the subject
  • #792
  • Edited 5:16pm Mar 15, 2010 7:37am | Edited 5:16pm
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  • #793
  • Mar 15, 2010 8:13am Mar 15, 2010 8:13am
Quoting giraia_br
LOL, for me it has been this way for about 3 years. Coincidence exactly today i came through interesting information wich i need to backtest. I am already making backtest almost 24h a day in the last two weeks... and now i have ideas to test at least 3 more possibilities.
3 years, you should have got it by now.
  • #794
  • Mar 15, 2010 8:41am Mar 15, 2010 8:41am
Quoting chatzi
3 years, you should have got it by now.
?

how you know that? You just said in the other thread you are TESTING order flow setups. How can you know the time it takes?

Quoting chatzi
I was asking him to clarify something he said, if someone states something I am within my rights to ask for clarification, whether I get an answer is a different story. I am not trading this way I have other orderflow setups that I am testing out.
  • #795
  • Mar 15, 2010 9:19am Mar 15, 2010 9:19am
Quoting giraia_br
?

how you know that? You just said in the other thread you are TESTING order flow setups. How can you know the time it takes?
Ok maybe I was rash, have you spend all your time on this one way or have you flited between methods? I just think after 3 years studying one type of trading it enough time to grasp it, I suppose we all learn at different speeds given how much free time we have etc. Sorry no offense intended.
  • #796
  • Mar 17, 2010 5:44am Mar 17, 2010 5:44am
Quoting Darkstar
Well thats kind of sad. You guys spent like 7 months working on this stuff and didn't come up with any conclusions. Anyone still interested in the subject?
But of course the topic is fascinating, as long as the blind aren't leading the blind. Or better yet, your input would truly be valuable here...
  • #797
  • Edited 1:28pm Mar 29, 2010 12:37pm | Edited 1:28pm
Quoting Darkstar
Well thats kind of sad. You guys spent like 7 months working on this stuff and didn't come up with any conclusions. Anyone still interested in the subject?
Yes, I am sure there is many folks interested including me

Is the C.O.T report a step closer to the goal? and/or DOM...
  • #798
  • Apr 28, 2010 10:57am Apr 28, 2010 10:57am
This stuff is quite simple but sadly common sense is not so common.

The truth of the matter is that if you really understand order flow (as well as market dynamics) and have built an edge around it, you would not blatantly disclose it in a public forum. However, if you feel you have got it and start rambling, then you really don't have a clue even if you think you do.

  • #799
  • Apr 29, 2010 2:27am Apr 29, 2010 2:27am
Quoting wh1zz0
This stuff is quite simple but sadly common sense is not so common.

The truth of the matter is that if you really understand order flow (as well as market dynamics) and have built an edge around it, you would not blatantly disclose it in a public forum. However, if you feel you have got it and start rambling, then you really don't have a clue even if you think you do.

What an absolute rubbish statement. Ultimately you are saying that a person who talks about their edge doesnt have a clue. Whether the edge be an understanding of order flow or whatever, just because you talk about it doesn't mean you you don't know what you are talking about. Head on over to J16 and listen to some of those guys tell you about their edge. Are you telling me they don't have an edge or a clue as to what they are talking about?
  • #800
  • Apr 29, 2010 3:42am Apr 29, 2010 3:42am
Quoting pbb2577
What an absolute rubbish statement. Ultimately you are saying that a person who talks about their edge doesnt have a clue. Whether the edge be an understanding of order flow or whatever, just because you talk about it doesn't mean you you don't know what you are talking about. Head on over to J16 and listen to some of those guys tell you about their edge. Are you telling me they don't have an edge or a clue as to what they are talking about?
I don't know, do people really disclose their strategy/edge in intimate detail on trading forums?

Having said that, I don't think the people who discuss their strategy haven't 'got it' or 'don't have a clue', most are looking to either improve their system or test their ideas with comments from others, learn more about a subject, or point others in the right direction and let them 'discover' for themselves rather than spoon feed them.

There are of course those who are trying to sell something so they have to divulge a certain amount, usually just enough to generate some interest and encourage others to pay the fee and supposedly be told the rest.

Whatever their motive, order flow is still an interesting subject in my opinion.
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