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  • #181
  • Edited 12:14pm Mar 24, 2010 11:20am | Edited 12:14pm
hi ec,

thank's i understand now how it increase the lot...

before i notice there is averaging in power lot... it can say open buy or open sell more than 1(2 0r 3 or more)...

but now i did not see any averaging in back test with 1.1A..(open buy or open sell always 1)
  • #182
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:51am Mar 24, 2010 11:51am
So, what lot size are you using, versus the account balance?
  • #183
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:54am Mar 24, 2010 11:54am
I'm forward testing Shake n Bake V.1.1A now....
But why it won't open any trade?
Not a Buy position, not a Sell position either.

What happened?
With the Shake n Bake V.1.1, i've got so many profit before...

Please teach me, ecTrade and Tulipevierge...
  • #184
  • Mar 24, 2010 12:41pm Mar 24, 2010 12:41pm
You need to select an option from Option_0_4. Currently it's set at "0" by default, which is "IDLE." I prefer it this way, because if, for whatever reason the EA gets reset, it returns to IDLE and won't open any more trades. It also deletes all pending orders. It's more of a safety feature. Of course if you select an option before the EA starts, this won't be the case.
  • #185
  • Mar 24, 2010 10:41pm Mar 24, 2010 10:41pm
Quoting ecTrade
So, what lot size are you using, versus the account balance?
hi ec,

back test with 0.1 lot=1 dollar/pip, account balance 10.000... option 4.
  • #186
  • Edited 11:57pm Mar 24, 2010 11:09pm | Edited 11:57pm
The lot size is too small. Try lot size of 1.0 or, at least 0.5 ... although it will take forever for it to do anything.

What you need to do is take the number I mentioned and multiply it by the balance ... which is $10,000 x 0.000333 = 3.33. This will give you the "optimal" lot size and maintain the original ratio ... i.e., 1.0 / $3,000 = 0.000333.

Now there's nothing that says you have to maintain that ratio, but you can't expect the same results. Although I suppose I could make that number variable, although it makes it riskier if you set it higher. Right now it's based on the lot size divided by the balance, where the lot size says this is the risk you are willing to take ... i.e., 0.1 / $10,000 = 0.00001 in your case. So, all I'm doing is maintaining the same ratio, hence the "same risk," as the balance increases.
  • #187
  • Edited 12:18am Mar 25, 2010 12:02am | Edited 12:18am
Okay, I think I'll go ahead and add a multiplier to this. I'll set it to "1" by default, and you can change it to 1.5, 2.0 or whatever you prefer. Just remember you're making it riskier by setting it higher.
  • #188
  • Mar 25, 2010 12:32am Mar 25, 2010 12:32am
Quoting ecTrade
Okay, I think I'll go ahead and add a multiplier to this. I'll set it to "1" by default, and you can change it to 1.5, 2.0 or whatever you prefer. Just remember you're making it riskier by setting it higher.
hi ec,

i hope that is optional multiplier=true or false.... because even no averaging with default 1.1A is working good too... when use averaging better with bigger SL

but with no average mean less risky and i have a better result with this combo when no average default 1.1 A....

i try use small SL(30) and combination make higher the trailing(15,25,40), , i think it work more better than use big SL with single entry... with TP=30 (60= double).

because every position that is wrong position, let it hit SL and try the other pending to see the new trend...
  • #189
  • Mar 25, 2010 12:57am Mar 25, 2010 12:57am
Quoting tulipevierge
hi ec,

i hope that is optional multiplier=true or false.... because even no averaging with default 1.1A is working good too... when use averaging better with bigger SL
No, I just set it up and set it to "1" by default. So, if you leave set there it doesn't change, which is as good as saying it's "false." It's only when you set it to a higher number (or lower) are you selecting it as an option. So you still have a choice in whether you want to use it in other words.
  • #190
  • Mar 25, 2010 1:26am Mar 25, 2010 1:26am
Okay I'm looking at it while testing it, and all it does is increase the lot size at the start. That is, if you originally had it set to 0.1, and the multiplier to 1.5, it will start out at .15. So, you may as well have set it to .15 to begin with, because it's not doing anything.

Oh well, I suppose I can leave it that way for now ...
  • #191
  • Mar 25, 2010 2:01am Mar 25, 2010 2:01am
I think maybe what you need to do is determine which "ratio" works best for you, and multiply that by your account balance in order to determine the lot size.
  • #192
  • Mar 25, 2010 12:09pm Mar 25, 2010 12:09pm
Thanks, ecTrade!
It works now!


What is the suggested amount of an account to play with this latest Shake n Bake when we plan to trade with Real Live Account later?
  • #193
  • Mar 25, 2010 1:27pm Mar 25, 2010 1:27pm
I guess it depends on how much you think you can afford. I wouldn't start out with too much. Plus, I don't know exactly how you are trading it.

I have about $3,100 US in two separate accounts. And I started out trading six pairs at 0.1 lots and six pairs at 0.02 lots for a total of 0.72. I figured okay, if diversify and don't put it all on the same pair, it won't big such a big deal, and it should help keep the drawdown down. But nope, it's not working out that way at all. In fact it's kicking my ass right now!

I placed the trades yesterday afternoon I believe, and right now I'm about $185 down, although I have about $25 in winning trades, so it's closer to $160. But still I wasn't expecting it to get that high, and it looks like it wants to go even higher. I was thinking maybe $70 or $80 at the most, with a lot more winning trades but, so far no.

It kind of stinks, you know. But, I guess I'll just have to ride it out, and possibly come up with some other ideas in the meantime.

So, I don't know what to tell you, whether you should start trading or not?
  • #194
  • Mar 26, 2010 12:53am Mar 26, 2010 12:53am
Okay guys, check your Yahoo's!
  • #195
  • Mar 26, 2010 1:06am Mar 26, 2010 1:06am
Quoting juannie
Thanks, ecTrade!
It works now!


What is the suggested amount of an account to play with this latest Shake n Bake when we plan to trade with Real Live Account later?
Oh, I guess I didn't quite answer your question. I'm currently working with a $3,000 balance and lot size between 0.5 and 1. Of course you could scale that down to a $1,000 balance and lot size between 0.17 and 0.33. It's still the same "ratio."
  • #196
  • Edited 3:24am Mar 26, 2010 3:12am | Edited 3:24am
hi ec,

are you still in back test or use real already?....

i believe, there is some good setup playing with those setup especially, preset and switcher gap setting combine with SL=20, TP=60(double) and TS=20,35,50, many setup i try it will back forward win or lose, but atleast will around break even...

with that combo, example preset initial=40 and switcher gap setting, true, 30,30,40, it will reduce SL... i try about SL=20...

many combo the gap, between buy and sell pending order is around 50-70, SL=20, make that gap, red line both SL is around 10 to 30 pips....

the worse thing lost straight about 7=20x7=140 pips, because the winning pips is more bigger or the same with SL that will make about break even....

this setup with TP and TS give a hope every position will go straight to TP, and will make a winner... TP>SL...

all setup is no averaging and no power lot... (i use default)...

in some cases it won about 2-3% but mostly finally is around break even when the market is ranging, back forward like that......

the good things, is around break even, because that trap pending order...

i try with power lot alone, is too much risky and DD, but it work better combine power lot and averaging... the things is no money to use it for real for me, or maybe use a micro lot...

but if we can find the best setup for that trap setting buy or sell pending combing with trailing, it give more return and safety... with 1 pips=1 dollar use a real account.
  • #197
  • Mar 26, 2010 3:38am Mar 26, 2010 3:38am
Quoting tulipevierge
hi ec,

are you still in back test or use real already?....
I've been trading live for about the last day and a half now. The going has been a little bit rough, but it's still within the parameters of the backtesting. Oh, you said something earlier about the highs or, especially the lows not showing up when backtesting. This I believe is what I'm looking at. While at one point I was down by as much as $195 (not including earnings) but, I've since seen it as low as $145 so, hopefully it will keep going that way.

Oh, I just cleared another $4.00 trade. Now I have about $40 in earnings. Great!

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i believe, there is some good setup playing with those setup especially, preset and switcher gap setting combine with SL=20, TP=60(double) and TS=20,35,50, many setup i try it will back forward win or lose, but atleast will around break even...
Sounds like there's hope, anyway.

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with that combo, preset initial=40 and switcher gap setting, true, 30,30,40, it will reduce SL... i try about SL=20...

the worse thing lost straight about 7=20x7=140 pips, because the winning pips is more bigger or the same with SL that will make about break even....
Good luck!

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this setup with TP and TS give a hope every position will go straight to TP, and will make a winner... TP>SL...
I think this probably better suits your style of trading, although I will probably find a way to make use of it as well.

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all setup is no averaging and no power lot... (i use default)...
By the way, I forgot to set that to "false." Did you notice?

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in some cases it won about 3-5% but mostly finally is around break even when the market is ranging, back forward like that......
I'm sure you'll find something that works.
  • #198
  • Mar 26, 2010 3:47am Mar 26, 2010 3:47am
Quoting ecTrade
Okay guys, check your Yahoo's!
So, did you see this? ...
  • #199
  • Mar 26, 2010 4:00am Mar 26, 2010 4:00am
Quoting tulipevierge
i try with power lot alone, is too much risky and DD, but it work better combine power lot and averaging... the things is no money to use it for real for me, or maybe use a micro lot...
What's the cost of living like over there? It's probably a lot less than it is over here. So, if you opened an account with say, $200 or $300, you could probably make just as much use of it as I can with a $3000 account over here or, at least I'm guessing. And, instead of trading 1.0 lots per trade (on average) you could trade 0.1 lots. It's an idea anyway.

Even if you opened a $50 account, and traded 0.01 lots per trade, you could probably double it in two or three months.
  • #200
  • Mar 26, 2010 6:34am Mar 26, 2010 6:34am
Quoting ecTrade
What's the cost of living like over there? It's probably a lot less than it is over here. So, if you opened an account with say, $200 or $300, you could probably make just as much use of it as I can with a $3000 account over here or, at least I'm guessing. And, instead of trading 1.0 lots per trade (on average) you could trade 0.1 lots. It's an idea anyway.

Even if you opened a $50 account, and traded 0.01 lots per trade, you could probably double it in two or three months.
hi ec,

thank you for new version 1.1 B, it work better with those setup, it is more stabil i think to increase the gain with more probabilities to win in back test......

the cost of living depend the life style and the cities... well, my last job working full time with the univercity degree, at the company paying around 250 bucks for around 50-60 hours/weeks... i am single that why it still enough...

some jobs paying good, some is not, but still a lot of people make under 100 with the job no degree...

with a good life style for family, average need around 1000, to pay mortgage, kids school, gases, food etc...

well, this ea is one of the hope for me...
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