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  • #61
  • Mar 25, 2010 3:41am Mar 25, 2010 3:41am
Quoting Deusomega
If you don't think its kindve a dick move to call someone out over one live trade then idk what to say to you.

Btw one live trade points out the futility of trading with an orderflow mindset?? You say it all started because DS says short term TA is futile... well working on your premise I guarantee I could find a great amount of live trades posted using TA that turned out to be shit. In fact using the 90% rule or whatever it is I'd say my odds are guaranteed of iproving how futile TA is using your one trade rule. So really who are you kidding?
Yeah you kind of miss the point, it's not about one live trade, which in isolation would of course be irrelevant!
  • #62
  • Mar 25, 2010 5:31am Mar 25, 2010 5:31am
Quoting pipmutt
Yeah you kind of miss the point, it's not about one live trade, which in isolation would of course be irrelevant!
Okay what is it about then I've missed things before and will continue to do so
  • #63
  • Mar 25, 2010 8:43am Mar 25, 2010 8:43am
Quoting Deusomega
Okay what is it about then I've missed things before and will continue to do so
The content, context, planning, and management of the trade/call, as well as pretty much everything which preceded it. Platitudes, patronizing inuendo, ambiguity, and by his own admission bullshit and red herrings. And that's just the good points!

Is that enough to be going on with?


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  • #64
  • Mar 25, 2010 9:39am Mar 25, 2010 9:39am
Quoting pipmutt
The content, context, planning, and management of the trade/call, as well as pretty much everything which preceded it. Platitudes, patronizing inuendo, ambiguity, and by his own admission bullshit and red herrings. And that's just the good points!

Is that enough to be going on with?


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Theres enough bs in this site without the cryptic nonsense posted in Scottys thread, He clearly wants to make something of the thread by banning people who question it.

As pip says, if your method or reasoning cant handle a few questions then you have no place advising people or pretending to have "got it".
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #65
  • Mar 25, 2010 9:52am Mar 25, 2010 9:52am
Just popping in to spread the brotherly love to this thread...

Inserted Video


Let's all just get along!
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #66
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:03am Mar 25, 2010 10:03am
Quoting markmm
"got it".
Got it, I'm not sure I want it, don't know where it's been!
  • #67
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:04am Mar 25, 2010 10:04am
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Let's all just get along!
Haha, great video!

Is that 'get a long' a trade call then Leon?
  • #68
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:05am Mar 25, 2010 10:05am
Quoting pipmutt
I'm not sure I want it, don't know where it's been!
lol, he can call price though, weeks sometimes months before it gets there. You don't want that ability?
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #69
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:07am Mar 25, 2010 10:07am
Quoting markmm
lol, he can call price though, weeks sometimes months before it gets there. You don't want that ability?
I want it, I want it, but no-one's giving me the ABC and the XYZ dammit!

Seems there's some flow stuff on ebay but I ain't paying seventy quid.
  • #70
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:10am Mar 25, 2010 10:10am
Quoting pipmutt
I want it, I want it, but no-one's giving me the ABC and the XYZ dammit!
Think about how price moves, who moves it and what are they eating at the time, read some books on theory of markets and then you will not even need to look at the current price, you will just know where it is going to be next week.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #71
  • Mar 25, 2010 10:13am Mar 25, 2010 10:13am
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Just popping in to spread the brotherly love to this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSKL3ohnr3A

Let's all just get along!
Dying to get home, cant watch this from work :-(.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #72
  • Mar 27, 2010 2:38am Mar 27, 2010 2:38am
Quoting markmm
Think about how price moves, who moves it and what are they eating at the time, read some books on theory of markets and then you will not even need to look at the current price, you will just know where it is going to be next week.
I think it's just about the most bizarre way to think they're trading something called 'order flow' that I've ever heard of!

Make some half-baked, incomplete, and misguided analysis of fundamnetals, and use mini currency futures and retail marketmakers DOM and speculate that it's somehow representative of players orders in the market! Then make a trade and when price moves state the patently obvious, "it moved because of orders", and then call it 'trading order flow' and post some convoluted ideas on a trading forum!

lol priceless, you couldn't make this stuff up! Someone needs to write a book not about trading order flow but about the people who trade forex, their thinking and philosophies, it would be a best seller in the comedy section!

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  • #73
  • Mar 27, 2010 3:51am Mar 27, 2010 3:51am
Quoting pipmutt
I think it's just about the most bizarre way to think they're trading something called 'order flow' that I've ever heard of!

Make some half-baked, incomplete, and misguided analysis of fundamnetals, and use mini currency futures and retail marketmakers DOM and speculate that it's somehow representative of players orders in the market! Then make a trade and when price moves state the patently obvious, "it moved because of orders", and then call it 'trading order flow' and post some convoluted ideas on a trading forum!

lol priceless,...
Yeah, there are a hundred simple ways to trade, all this "why did price move?, why did it bounce?, until I know why I cant be profitable" is a waste of time.

Still Old Scotty has made a few bucks selling ebooks about fibs, so Im sure we will see an orderflow one soon.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...ng#post3326796
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #74
  • Mar 27, 2010 5:07am Mar 27, 2010 5:07am
Quoting markmm
Yeah, there are a hundred simple ways to trade, all this "why did price move?, why did it bounce?, until I know why I cant be profitable" is a waste of time.

Still Old Scotty has made a few bucks selling ebooks about fibs, so Im sure we will see an orderflow one soon.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...ng#post3326796
lol, another covert seller on FF, well there's a freakin surprise!

One's selling 'training' and ebooks, someone else promoting a book they're going to write, someone else selling access to a private forum.......and if you pay them these people are supposedly going to share their 'knowledge' and 'expertise'!

One thing which seems to be common among these snakeoil sellers is they claim to have (numerous) other business interests, and for some reason they feel the need to tell us about them and how profitable they are. It's as if they're trying to convince people that they don't really need the money from whatever it is they're trying to sell, they're really doing buyers a favour by taking their money!

The amazing thing is the sheer volume of gullible people in this business, they seem happy to hand over wads of cash to complete strangers!

A fool and his money.....I shouldn't laugh really, it's sad to see desperate and confused people pin their hopes on this stuff.
  • #75
  • Edited 9:37am Mar 27, 2010 7:29am | Edited 9:37am
Quoting pipmutt
The amazing thing is the sheer volume of gullible people in this business, they seem happy to hand over wads of cash to complete strangers!
There's certainly plenty of liquidity in the game around the game.

Probably less slippage too.
  • #76
  • Mar 27, 2010 9:09am Mar 27, 2010 9:09am
Quoting pipmutt
I think it's just about the most bizarre way to think they're trading something called 'order flow' that I've ever heard of!

Make some half-baked, incomplete, and misguided analysis of fundamnetals, and use mini currency futures and retail marketmakers DOM and speculate that it's somehow representative of players orders in the market! Then make a trade and when price moves state the patently obvious, "it moved because of orders", and then call it 'trading order flow' and post some convoluted ideas on a trading forum!

lol priceless, you...
Sigh...why do you keep coming back pip? You are bumping this thread just to keep an argument going. That to me shows more psychological issues than any of this discussion about order flow, although I do have a biased view.

You have to understand the level of thought and study that had gone into order flow trading well before any of these recent threads even materialized. My trading is not the result of reading a thread through once or twice and then deciding to throw on a bunch of random trades to see if it works. It is a compilation of YEARS of study and hard work, just like any other approach to trading SHOULD BE. Yet you feel a need to disrespect those of us trying because we haven't 'got it' yet. You are simply an asshole.

Now I know you think that we will 'never get it', but if that is true let us figure that out. In fact statistically over 90% of us will fail no matter what route we take. You really think that after all these years of study, when DS starts filling in missing information, I am going to read one of your cheap and degrading posts and come to some great epiphany about the meaning of life and realize I have been wasting my prescious time with all of this? Again, what I have gone through goes beyond the scope of just one thread, and it would take more than that to change my approach.

Furthermore, Darkstar has been a member here for almost 5 years, he gave subtle hints several years ago about order flow trading, and then stopped posting for a while. Now that his approach has changed and he wishes to share some more info you think his motives are sinister? Like this was some 5 YEAR stakeout and now he after our money?!? Get a grip.

You obviously think order flow is a waste of time. So stop wasting your time talking about it.

You obviously don't like darkstar or any of us, so leave us alone.

We obviously don't like you. And personally, I care as much about how you trade or your opinions about order flow as I do about carpets. Sometimes I jump from my tiled kitchen to my tiled laundry room to avoid the carpet hallway in between just because carpets disinterest me THAT much. The point is you have interrupted our discussions about it for no good reason. You seem to have a handful of friends who agree with you, which is great. Everybody like friends. But please take your conversation to a different thread. Maybe one titled "Order Blow trading" or something along that line. That is what a mature person would do.

If you have ACTUAL legitimate questions about order flow, then feel free to discuss those, but try to do it without degrading comments, exclamation marks, the /rofl smiley, and an "im better than you" attitude. It would make quite a difference in the replies you get. Etiquette 101 if you will. You are only as asshole by choice.

Sigh...I already dread the responses to this post. I hate the internet sometimes, but I still get sucked in like everyone else. Whatever.
All I ask for is a chance to prove that money cannot make me happy.
  • #77
  • Mar 27, 2010 9:29am Mar 27, 2010 9:29am
Quoting Marsh
That to me shows more psychological issues than any of this discussion about order flow
Ok, thanks doc.

Quoting Marsh
Sometimes I jump from my tiled kitchen to my tiled laundry room to avoid the carpet hallway in between
I see, and you tell me I've got psychological issues! Hey, maybe we could get a group discount on couch time!


Quoting Marsh

You are simply an asshole.


If you have ACTUAL legitimate questions about order flow, then feel free to discuss those, but try to do it without degrading comments
Degrading comments, I see, do you mean comments like "You are simply an asshole.", those kinds of comments?


Replying to the content of my post would have been more constructive than calling me names but that's obviously not possible otherwise I guess you would have done so.

Just like you say.....whatever.

I'm happy to discuss order flow or any other subject if you like, no problem, I'm someone who actually has the strength of my convictions and I don't need to resort to personal insults, I'll shoot the message not try and shoot the messenger!

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  • #78
  • Last Post: Mar 27, 2010 9:33am Mar 27, 2010 9:33am
Quoting AstonDan
Their's certainly plenty of liquidity in the game around the game.

Probably less slippage too.
lol, less slippage and a one-way bet I imagine!

Mind you I guess it's no different than the premium rate 'tips' lines for racing or the 'beat the casino' ads we see in the Sport classifieds, but with those at least you get the added benefit of some pictures!


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