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  • #6,101
  • Mar 23, 2010 11:16pm Mar 23, 2010 11:16pm
I posted a loser not to say this method is not effective. I have posted many trades here that were good trades and not after the fact. I do take offense to your comment about chart time and " getting things right". Who are you? I am not disappointed with my trading results.

A little presumptuous perhaps.
  • #6,102
  • Mar 24, 2010 3:09am Mar 24, 2010 3:09am
Quoting Twiitch
hey Wh1zz0

lots of buyers...public against one seller....and the seller is either in acc phase or profit taking phase. and that is the folks running the markets.

just need to figure out where the accumulation is and the other part is the profit taking... which is usually 90 pips or more

I don't believe regular supply and...
I have seen these guys in action and I have really gone through a lot of materials by Tom Williams. This is the way it is done. You have to see what is happening in real-time. The shakeouts e.t.c. However, I do not want to get into any debate which might trigger certain feelings as everybody is free to trade which ever way he/she pleases and perhaps considering the fact that it involves a bit of hindsight to an extent. I only thought I was sharing my thoughts and genuinely trying to help the confused folks.

Quoting tarco
I posted a loser not to say this method is not effective. I have posted many trades here that were good trades and not after the fact. I do take offense to your comment about chart time and " getting things right". Who are you? I am not disappointed with my trading results.

A little presumptuous perhaps.
Please don't get me wrong. I am neither saying you are a bad trader nor am I assuming you have not been profitable with VSA before now, but if you feel what I posted seemed like I intended to bash you for not making profits from the trade, then I apologize but that is far from it. The reason I posted my chart, just incase you or anybody else misunderstood my intent, was simply to place my analysis on why it would have been a good trade for anybody else just as it was for me.
  • #6,103
  • Mar 24, 2010 4:29am Mar 24, 2010 4:29am
not actually..

I have observed yesterday night during asian period, also posted here futures,
smart money can play with the parity how they wish.

they can increases prices with much lower contracts, you can see jumps sometime. 3 4 days ago i have seen 70 pips in only two seconds. so how it could be possible ?
besides, sometime in 1min chart, there could 1 2 pip gap. it is not logical there could be a gap.

also gbp/usd has not a deepness so much , that could a reason for smart money's ability to play as they wish.

probably, in theese terms, vsa is best suitable for eur/usd which has the deepest background, not much availiability to manipulate.
  • #6,104
  • Mar 24, 2010 7:24am Mar 24, 2010 7:24am
First post for me (been lurking for about 6 months already).

Just posting this to subscribe to the thread and to say thank you !

I'm a noobie trader. I looked at a lot of indicators, signal services and the get-rich-quick schemes, but I found out the soft way that it didn't work (via demoing - luckily didn't loose too much real money yet - about 10% down right now and back to demoing for the moment until I get profitable).
I also found out that I don't like it when I cannot explain when/why something happens.

So I found this thread, read TW's book and trying to practice it now on the future markets (cac40, estx50, aex futures).
Volume really helps fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle, but I'm still struggling, also with the psychological part of trading. I'm also trying to understand and use time & sales and DOM for entry/exit and confirmation.

First thanks Malcomb14 for your clear explanations, and also wh1zz0: very clear couple of posts. Thank you!
  • #6,105
  • Mar 24, 2010 8:23am Mar 24, 2010 8:23am
Quoting kuroro001
I'd say accumulation....
Markup...pause with high vol on the resistance...lower vol on the down move
Ready to take off above 91...targeting 93 for me

It looks like it was really accumulation for a big up move
Approaching 92....still targeting 93.00-50 on weekly basis ( and it might even go towards higher)
Holding long from 89.90
COT: The precious data ignored
  • #6,106
  • Mar 24, 2010 8:33am Mar 24, 2010 8:33am
if this reagion is of accumulation, then it gonna fly very north...

in the meantime, I'd like share my observation on futures 1 min graph. as if red buying volumes higher than black-green selling volumes.

also, selling volumes pretty lower with high spreads.

in the meantime, I panicced around while rising 1,5060 where I have sell, and i got out not to be stop loss, although I have seen very very high selling volume and on very low buy volume.

anyway, we gonna see if there is any rise, then the left will be confirmed as accumulation
then, lets see mark up now
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  • #6,107
  • Mar 24, 2010 8:42am Mar 24, 2010 8:42am
Hello,

is somewhere possible to get futures data like zen fire for free ?

I like zen fire, but unfortunataly it ends after 30 days and to renew it it asks few days.

Thanks for suggestions!

Best,
Tom
  • #6,108
  • Mar 24, 2010 8:47am Mar 24, 2010 8:47am
Quoting tfflyer
Hello,

is somewhere possible to get futures data like zen fire for free ?

I like zen fire, but unfortunataly it ends after 30 days and to renew it it asks few days.

Thanks for suggestions!

Best,
Tom
I use CTS, T4 simulator...
  • #6,109
  • Mar 24, 2010 8:53am Mar 24, 2010 8:53am
yes, i am confused...
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  • #6,110
  • Mar 24, 2010 9:06am Mar 24, 2010 9:06am
Here is a 10 min GU globex. Looks like some buying but I would be putting my money on shorts.
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  • #6,111
  • Mar 24, 2010 10:02am Mar 24, 2010 10:02am
It is trial for 2 weeks ?

Quoting bruceli
I use CTS, T4 simulator...
  • #6,112
  • Mar 24, 2010 10:07am Mar 24, 2010 10:07am
Quoting tfflyer
It is trial for 2 weeks ?
probably..2 or 3 weeks, i dont remember well.
  • #6,113
  • Mar 24, 2010 10:14am Mar 24, 2010 10:14am
Long EUR/USD 1.3361, SL 1.3321, TP 1.3415, with best wishes!
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  • #6,114
  • Mar 24, 2010 10:52am Mar 24, 2010 10:52am
As posted elsewhere, trade taken mainly on my interpretation of the buying action and volumes....


I just bought cable after the last drop ended in a high volume spinning top making a higher low. The earlier low was a very high volume harami - i.e. a wide ranged candle with no follow thru'. Tight stop just under the lows. This low was in an expected time zone.

I'm looking first for a retest of the last 5m high at the MS2 level of 4930....TWT

Euro's low was a slightly lower low and also in a high vol spinning top.

I'll be happy IF Swissy drops back under its 700 level.....
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  • #6,115
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:03am Mar 24, 2010 11:03am
I cant believe the price action today, its all over the map. I took a long as well at 1.3347 aftter the bar you are talking about Islander. The volume on that move down was the highest of the Us session. Id like to see if we can retest the days highs, if not my stop is in place.
  • #6,116
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:28am Mar 24, 2010 11:28am
Can You please post picture with this long entry place - i dont see on m,y charts highest vol there.

Thanks.

b,
t


Quoting Sonofsin5
I cant believe the price action today, its all over the map. I took a long as well at 1.3347 aftter the bar you are talking about Islander. The volume on that move down was the highest of the Us session. Id like to see if we can retest the days highs, if not my stop is in place.
  • #6,117
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:28am Mar 24, 2010 11:28am
Quoting Islander
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I just bought cable after the last drop ended in a high volume spinning top making a higher low. The earlier low was a very high volume harami - i.e. a wide ranged candle with no follow thru'. Tight stop just under the lows. This low was in an expected time zone.


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Hey Islander

Took the same trade. Nice example of a low vol test.
Entered at the close of the test bar (blue arrow) and took profit at the trend line (yellow arrow) which had a convergence with the 50sma. The move up was on decreasing volume so didnt have much confidence in it breaking through. Closed the rest of it when the second green/bullish bar failed to break through.

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  • #6,118
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:33am Mar 24, 2010 11:33am
Quoting tfflyer
Can You please post picture with this long entry place - i dont see on m,y charts highest vol there.

Thanks.

b,
t
Islander was talking about GU not EU.
I posted a chart. See the post above.

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  • #6,119
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:40am Mar 24, 2010 11:40am
Quoting tfflyer
Can You please post picture with this long entry place - i dont see on m,y charts highest vol there.

Thanks.

b,
t
Chart
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  • #6,120
  • Mar 24, 2010 11:40am Mar 24, 2010 11:40am
In Your picture - test bar is next to doji ?

B,
T

Quoting copi88
Islander was talking about GU not EU.
I posted a chart. See the post above.

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