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  • #5,501
  • Mar 3, 2010 11:32pm Mar 3, 2010 11:32pm
as always awesome post

Dutchy. Vsa is not about one bar. It is about several bars ... sometimes several bars over days

here is a 7 hour pattern that gave the 100 pi in london session . This is what is meant by back ground

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Quoting HiddenGap
This is the eternal question. It stymies newbies and fuels the fire of detractors.

There are two sides of this question to look at. The first has to do with the interpretation of the bar/bars, and the other has to do with how to trade them.

Let's look at defining or interpretting the candle/candles. In the picture below I have marked up some recent price action in the Euro 5 min. As the market moves into a Supply/Demand Delta Zone, we begin to see some signs of the market's intent. The Candle marked UpThrust only needs one interval to be...
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  • #5,502
  • Mar 4, 2010 12:29am Mar 4, 2010 12:29am
Quoting HiddenGap
This is the eternal question. It stymies newbies and fuels the fire of detractors.

There are two sides of this question to look at. The first has to do with the interpretation of the bar/bars, and the other has to do with how to trade them.

Let's look at defining or interpretting the candle/candles. In the picture below I have marked up some recent price action in the Euro 5 min. As the market moves into a Supply/Demand Delta Zone, we begin to see some signs of the market's intent. The Candle marked UpThrust only needs one interval to be defined....
Hi HP,

Your explaination is perfect ! Combine with this EU 5min chart. Everything look so easy after the fact. Wish I can see what you see
  • #5,503
  • Mar 4, 2010 12:35am Mar 4, 2010 12:35am
Quoting malcolmb14
as always awesome post

Dutchy. Vsa is not about one bar. It is about several bars ... sometimes several bars over days

here is a 7 hour pattern that gave the 100 pi in london session . This is what is meant by back ground

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Hi Malcolmb,

Could you adv when & why you enter this trade to capture 100 pip . tks
  • #5,504
  • Mar 4, 2010 2:14am Mar 4, 2010 2:14am
can anyone update me with the most accurate MT4 broker for volume (compared to e-signal). Is it still IB? Thanks
  • #5,505
  • Mar 4, 2010 2:21am Mar 4, 2010 2:21am
Quoting Porkpie
can anyone update me with the most accurate MT4 broker for volume (compared to e-signal). Is it still IB? Thanks
ODL is very close to esignal and is what I use...
  • #5,506
  • Mar 4, 2010 2:37am Mar 4, 2010 2:37am
Quoting TC East
ODL is very close to esignal and is what I use...
great thanks.
  • #5,507
  • Mar 4, 2010 2:48am Mar 4, 2010 2:48am
Quoting HiddenGap
This is the eternal question. It stymies newbies and fuels the fire of detractors.

There are two sides of this question to look at. The first has to do with the interpretation of the bar/bars, and the other has to do with how to trade them.

Let's look at defining or interpretting the candle/candles. In the picture below I have marked up some recent price action in the Euro 5 min. As the market moves into a Supply/Demand Delta Zone, we begin to see some signs of the market's intent. The Candle marked UpThrust only needs one interval to be defined....

Thanks HG

This sort of explaination is invaluable to us 'learners', especially because you discuss where to enter AND WHY TO ENTER THERE.

So many people post charts with explainations ( and I'm very thankful for them) but when it comes to where to enter and why, there are not many.

@ Malcomb

Thanks for the chart

I dont understand the part where you say

'Test on higher low. Bear vol on way down'

Can you explain please?

Many thanks
  • #5,508
  • Mar 4, 2010 12:01pm Mar 4, 2010 12:01pm
Thank you for for answer, HG! But, I did not get this one:

Quoting HiddenGap
Whilst it is true that we are making relative comparisons between volume bars, there are some things that can be defined definitively.
...
2. Volume higher than 2 stds (standard deviations) from the average over x number of bars, is high.
What exactly means "Volume higher than 2 standard deviations from the average"??? And, would this same rule work also on the other direction, when defining Low?
  • #5,509
  • Mar 4, 2010 3:17pm Mar 4, 2010 3:17pm
Quoting nico28
Hi Malcolmb,

Could you adv when & why you enter this trade to capture 100 pip . tks
I enteed on the third vsa set up with ultra high volume consdiering the back ground.

I took a low risk trade as price went off support
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  • #5,510
  • Mar 4, 2010 9:10pm Mar 4, 2010 9:10pm
Please feel free to comment or correct !!! My chart shows what i learned so far from this thread specially from HiddenGap and from posts of Malcolmb14 i am really thankful for them !!! will be glad to hear from them too ... there is two charts attached 5/15 min GBP/USD pair !!!
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  • #5,511
  • Mar 4, 2010 11:55pm Mar 4, 2010 11:55pm
Quoting HiddenGap
This is the eternal question. It stymies newbies and fuels the fire of detractors.

There are two sides of this question to look at. The first has to do with the interpretation of the bar/bars, and the other has to do with how to trade them.

Let's look at defining or interpretting the candle/candles. In the picture below I have marked up some recent price action in the Euro 5 min. As the market moves into a Supply/Demand Delta Zone, we begin to see some signs of the market's intent. The Candle marked UpThrust only needs one interval to be defined....
Hi HG,

Attached pls find AUDCHF D1 TF. Look like a End of Rising market with weakness shown all over at the top.
Go to H4 TF, There is a ND bar with low vol. Sell the low of ND bar.

Welcome anyone to comment on this analysis. Tks
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  • #5,512
  • Mar 5, 2010 3:07am Mar 5, 2010 3:07am
Quoting HiddenGap
This is the eternal question. ..
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the Effort to explain, hope it gets (us) Results !

Cheers, Dutchy
  • #5,513
  • Mar 5, 2010 8:57am Mar 5, 2010 8:57am
as if sm is accumulating right now, and they dont allow the price goes down with stopping volumes,

What do you think about it ?

in toher words, sm is just buying all bananas from other hands
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  • #5,514
  • Mar 5, 2010 9:28am Mar 5, 2010 9:28am
Quoting bruceli
as if sm is accumulating right now, and they dont allow the price goes down with stopping volumes,

What do you think about it ?

in toher words, sm is just buying all bananas from other hands

The question is ... Accumulating what, GBP or USD?.

If they are accumulating GBP (distributing USD) then prices will go up but if they are accumulating USD (distributing GBP) prices will go down.

So the question is, ... What are they accumulating???.
You make money by waiting, not by trading.
  • #5,515
  • Mar 5, 2010 9:51am Mar 5, 2010 9:51am
Quoting fxspain
The question is ... Accumulating what, GBP or USD?.

If they are accumulating GBP (distributing USD) then prices will go up but if they are accumulating USD (distributing GBP) prices will go down.

So the question is, ... What are they accumulating???.
accumulating GBP ? (not sure)

and please look at the cahrt, some new bars unfolded...

what do you think ?
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  • #5,516
  • Mar 5, 2010 10:13am Mar 5, 2010 10:13am
ok guy here us eu 60 min

double bottom 1.355 with buying on the 60 min on the double bottom , I think yesterday was some form of shake out. It shoke me out of long and i waited to get another entry

we did get a markup thru resistance 1.3600 , but price has stalled here for now, however 60 min is showing considerable strength based on buying off 1.3550 to 1.3600 area . This may take a couple more days to work out for a decent up move to 1.3850 area

once that utl is broken for sure test 1.3720 is on the cards

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  • #5,517
  • Mar 5, 2010 11:43am Mar 5, 2010 11:43am
malc, any chance you could throw up a 5 min chart with volume and kind of walk through the dynamics of the nfp release up to now? no hurry. Seems volume has really tappered off, maybe do to friday and no big surprises in the released numbers? Waiting now for buyers to step in with some volume, as I mentioned may not happen because of friday. My inclination is up as you already alluded to. Thanks.
  • #5,518
  • Edited 3:43pm Mar 5, 2010 2:23pm | Edited 3:43pm
Hi Guys,
Interesting thread!... i am not following this method right now ....however I did read this thread once before but didn’t followed it based on the argument of Fx market being decentralized and therefore inaccurate volume etc. However, here it looks like ppl are using it successfully and that lead me to think that probably i can use it with my own trading style to get more clues, hence higher probability trades. Before, I delve further I thought it would be appropriate to as about the broker ppl are using:

- Anyone practicing this using FXCM , Al-Pari (I am wondering those broker which doesn’t have an Interbank Data feed) and how is their experience with the Vol info they get from these broker and its effect in their trading?

- By the time i am demoing i cant see using eSingal (they have only one month trial period i believe) and I was doing some research on Google on Interbank Fx and came to know that their satisfaction rating is quite low ...anyone using Interbank FX can share their experience?

- Is there any other recommended broker?

I'll appreciate your input.
  • #5,519
  • Mar 5, 2010 2:54pm Mar 5, 2010 2:54pm
Long time reader....first time poster....i know its been touched on a little in this forum however.....

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/05/ber...dark-pool.html

Reagrds
T
  • #5,520
  • Mar 5, 2010 7:21pm Mar 5, 2010 7:21pm
Tea trader - If You have read this thread, You wouldn't post this link one more time for discussion, because it has been discussed already.

MktScape - If You have read this thread also - You wouldn't ask those questions - they have been here discussed not only 1 time..


Nothing personal, just if You are saying You have read this thread - then those YOUR both questions has been discussed really not only 1 time.

Best,
Tom
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