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  • #101
  • Feb 5, 2010 1:12pm Feb 5, 2010 1:12pm
Do you know how much trouble it takes to implement just one idea? It takes time, and doesn't always work right away. So, with your throwing out all these ideas out at me when, basically I'm only trying to focus on one or two, although admittedly some of it's pretty detailed, doesn't really help. There may be other things you can do with it, but I can only take it one or two things at time.

But hey, wouldn't it be great if we could all sh*t golden bricks?

Also, if you guys insist on speaking Indonesian, perhaps you should consider doing it over the PM?
  • #102
  • Feb 5, 2010 1:47pm Feb 5, 2010 1:47pm
Quoting ecTrade
Do you know how much trouble it takes to implement just one idea? It takes time, and doesn't always work right away. So, with your throwing out all these ideas out at me when, basically I'm only trying to focus on one or two, although admittedly some of it's pretty detailed, doesn't really help. There may be other things you can do with it, but I can only take it one or two things at time.

But hey, wouldn't it be great if we could all sh*t golden bricks?

Also, if you guys insist on speaking Indonesian, perhaps you should consider doing...

hi ectrade.

i am sorry for that, i don't know about programming so i don't how hard it is.
i know i am looking stupid with my bad english and idea.... hehe but my idea is good.... maybe for your next EA then.

ok then i will help you guys to testing it and give you the best setting if there is any combo that works pretty good.
but pretty much i only doing the combo above and different SL and TP. i can try a lot of set up at vps. i have enough ram on that.

i don't know yet about the of the number on preset and reset thing only knowing Plead=3, guessing open position after up 3 or down 3.... my english is worse so i can't understand it even i read many times.

well, actually this logic of this EA, my friend have it already and make good pips on that... same things logic, the EA only with one indicator and good profit management and loss management that apply to it.

hm the things is i don't know what is indicator on it. he keep it secret that why, i know it will become a good EA.

juannie, would you pm me please, tulipevierge at ym.

hope next week will get a good full week testing, it's awesome

thank you.
  • #103
  • Feb 6, 2010 4:57am Feb 6, 2010 4:57am
Quoting ecTrade

Also, if you guys insist on speaking Indonesian, perhaps you should consider doing it over the PM?
Yeah, i'm sorry, my friend.

I will write everything in English.
About what i wrote in Indonesian was just for the consumption of tulipevierge.
And i considering to do it over PM or YM.
Thank you for your suggestion, ecTrade.


About throwing you with many ideas, i have told tulipevierge to not doing that 'throwing ideas' again.
I, myself, will give you enough time to think about one idea per Ding_Dong, because i know how hard to program an EA.
That's why i'm sharing my ideas step by step.
That's all i want to do.
Just walk step by step, until Ding_Dong fully developed, and then we could jump in with Ding_Dong in real trade.

I don't push you too much, right, ecTrade?




@ tulipevierge:
Please don't throw your ideas all at once to us, tulipevierge.
That will show your impatience.
Just follow the development and give idea one by one, just like what i've told you before...in this thread, and via Private Message...ok?
  • #104
  • Feb 6, 2010 9:02am Feb 6, 2010 9:02am
Quoting juannie
Yeah, i'm sorry, my friend.

I will write everything in English.
About what i wrote in Indonesian was just for the consumption of tulipevierge.
And i considering to do it over PM or YM.
Thank you for your suggestion, ecTrade.
Sorry, I didn't realize you started the exchange. Without looking too closely, I thought both posts were his. But yeah, if you guys want to communicate this way, it would probably be better to do it via PM.

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About throwing you with many ideas, i have told tulipevierge to not doing that 'throwing ideas' again.
I, myself, will give you enough time to think about one idea per Ding_Dong, because i know how hard to program an EA.
That's why i'm sharing my ideas step by step.
That's all i want to do.
Yeah, it's kind of to hard to do anything unless you have something solid to work with, and you can build on that. This is why throwing out a bunch of ideas doesn't help, because you have to stay focused on what you're doing.

But no, if somebody has ideas that are pertinent to what's already been discussed, then yeah, let's hear it.

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Just walk step by step, until Ding_Dong fully developed, and then we could jump in with Ding_Dong in real trade.
Well, let's keep our fingers crossed.

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I don't push you too much, right, ecTrade?
No, not really.
  • #105
  • Feb 6, 2010 9:24am Feb 6, 2010 9:24am
Hey, I just tried backtesting the Ding Dong Duo (Classic) in simulated indicator mode (it reverses trend after ~ 3500 ticks, just to get it to "switch") and I only lost about $5 over a six month period. That's quite an improvement over the last results, where I lost about $85.
  • #106
  • Feb 6, 2010 9:48am Feb 6, 2010 9:48am
Quoting juannie
Just an idea: maybe we could use NNEA Trend Predictor that i share with you to work together with Ding_Dong?
Yes, this should be easy enough to do, if it's a simple matter of getting the EA to tell us when the trend reverses. In fact, I think it would be great if we could set it up so we had several indicators to choose from ... that is, if we wanted to of course.
  • #107
  • Feb 6, 2010 9:48am Feb 6, 2010 9:48am
Quoting ecTrade
Hey, I just tried backtesting the Ding Dong Duo (Classic) in simulated indicator mode (it reverses trend after ~ 3500 ticks, just to get it to "switch") and I only lost about $5 over a six month period. That's quite an improvement over the last results, where I lost about $85.
hi ec trade, juanie,

ok just start step by step then.... that is good improvement....
i will follow and do forward testing....and i hope not make you confusing anymore with a lot of idea...

happy sunday everyone
  • #108
  • Feb 6, 2010 10:05am Feb 6, 2010 10:05am
hi...

i have some indicator that is show trend almost accurate when is crossing to see the change direction.... you can check it by your self and think which one the best one for this EA.... it's my best indicator to see the trend.
i will attach if it's allowed.

thx
  • #109
  • Feb 6, 2010 10:09am Feb 6, 2010 10:09am
Go ahead. Although I might not get a chance to look at it right away.

Thanks.
  • #110
  • Feb 6, 2010 10:59am Feb 6, 2010 10:59am
Quoting ecTrade
Go ahead. Although I might not get a chance to look at it right away.

Thanks.
ok, thank you ectrade.

this is how it works :

-i trend is crossing like idx, check it the crossing and the chart. how acurate this one.
i trend : green go up crossing red=long= keep long.
red goes down crossing green=short=keep short
-nina step : almost same but the line is straight and we know that major trend is stil the same untill it change.

with too of this can doing good at manual to take entry.

thx
Attached File(s)
File Type: mq4 Nina_StepMA_1_Custom3 (1).mq4   7 KB | 199 downloads
File Type: mq4 i_Trend.mq4   3 KB | 188 downloads
  • #111
  • Feb 6, 2010 10:35pm Feb 6, 2010 10:35pm
@ Tulipevierge:

Maybe i must explain again what my rules really is...

We enter the trade when the EA is activated, or when we start the MT4 Client Terminal.
It means that this Ding_Dong must not act by any logic to predict what the market was doing.
I have a several experience, and i got the conclusion that the EA should never predict the market before jump in.
Because all of the predictions made by EA always wrong.
Remember, the EA is just a tool, it is not a person.
It just analyzing by using indicators, data, etc.

What i want is the EA that open position (ecTrade has developed it to open buy and open sell) as we started the EA.
There's no need to predict the market, because market is always changing.

We just need to put some indicators into Ding_Dong that is capable to work with Ding_Dong to predict the reverse of the market movement.

The logic was like this:

1. We enter the market with Ding_Dong

2. Ding_Dong open position (Buy or Sell) with the preset that we adjust according to our human analysis about the market (we could see the chart)

3. Ding_Dong follow the rules:
3.1 When it opened buy position:
a. when the price is up 10 pips, it will Take Profit and open new position again
b. when the price is down 20 pips, it will Stop Loss and open new position again
c. when the price is down 20 pips again (twice in a row) then it will Stop Loss, then Stop Trade
d. until the price is up 20 pips, it will open new position again.
Vice Versa for the Sell Position

4. Now this is the phase where the indicators must work together with Ding_Dong to help predict the market reverse movement. If the market reverse, Ding_Dong must also reverse its position when it began to trade again.
It means that when we enter the trade with Buy position, then when the indicators showed a reverse movement signal, then Ding_Dong should open new position with Sell posititon, so that we could surf the market movement and go with the trend.


i'll try to summarize it:
we just need the indicators after Ding_Dong making a Stop Loss for 2 times.
Before that, we don't need that indicators to work.
  • #112
  • Feb 6, 2010 10:43pm Feb 6, 2010 10:43pm
Quoting ecTrade
Yes, this should be easy enough to do, if it's a simple matter of getting the EA to tell us when the trend reverses. In fact, I think it would be great if we could set it up so we had several indicators to choose from ... that is, if we wanted to of course.
Easy enough to do?
Yeah, please set it up, friend...

It would be great if we set up this NNEA with Ding_Dong.

And we also must see if this NNEA didn't overlap with Heiken indicators, or with two indicators that Tulipevierge shared before.

Just a suggestion, maybe you could separate Ding_Dong to work together with just one of all the indicators.
e.g: Ding_Dong_Dazz with Heiken indicators; Ding_Dong_NN with NNEA indicators, and Ding_Dong_Tulip with Tulipevierge indicators.

Anyway, it's just an idea.

Oh, just to ask you, what's in your mind right now?
What is our focus now to develop Ding_Dong?


Thank you very much!
Have a great Sunday!
Enjoy your day, friend...
  • #113
  • Feb 7, 2010 12:40am Feb 7, 2010 12:40am
hi juanie.

thank you for this explanation, it's make me to understand how the ea will work and understand more rule EA how it will work with the indicator.

it's really great idea...

thx
  • #114
  • Feb 7, 2010 9:04am Feb 7, 2010 9:04am
Quoting tulipevierge
hi juanie.

thank you for this explanation, it's make me to understand how the ea will work and understand more rule EA how it will work with the indicator.

it's really great idea...

thx
Ok, it's alright!

Thank you too, friend!
  • #115
  • Edited Feb 8, 2010 12:49pm Feb 7, 2010 10:04pm | Edited Feb 8, 2010 12:49pm
Okay guys, I'm just about done, at least with the basic "platform" anyway. I just added the Ding Dong "Trio" feature, although I think I might call it something else (currently options 5 and 6) and, am still working on the Ding Dong "Plus" feature mentioned here:

Quoting ecTrade
Finally, I'm attempting to eliminate the reset feature on Ding Dong Dazz in Option 5 (indicator options 1 and 2) so, that when the price starts to drop (or reverse), and the order hasn't been placed, the target will actually drop with the price (although the "gap" will start getting wider and wider). So, if the price drops by a hundred points, say rapidly, like it did today, you are in a much better position to take advantage, plus you haven't taken a loss. Of course the indicator should...
Of course I haven't spent too much time working on either one, but instead revamped the user interface and created an indicator "sim" that creates a reverse trend signal every so many ticks ... thus allowing me to backtest as if there were an actual indicator. Currently it's not setup this way and, as I understand, it's a lot of trouble to do so. This is the next best thing and it helps to insure everything works, at least functionally. This is how I can be reasonably certain that everything works the way it should.

So, I might need another day or so with these last two options, and then we can begin to discuss which indicators to use and how to implement them.

If you look at the user interface, you'll notice there is no longer an Option_1_5, but Dazz_1_6 instead. There's also the Classic_1_2 options, based upon the original Ding Dong settings. So, you decide which option you want and, depending on whether you want to use an indicator, you select either 1 or 0 (or, "y" or "n" for yes or no) for that.

That's pretty much it, except for the indicator sim feature at the bottom of the interface. And here, if you leave it set at 0, it allows the indicator to work or, if you set it to 1, it starts to simulate its own signal (currently set to 3500 ticks) which, can be modified by entering anything other than 1 or 0.

Any questions?

Note that the rev is V.1.3_T2. As soon as I get these other options to work, I will change it to V.1.3. Am also attaching the indicator file, which I haven't changed.

ETA: Note, I disabled order modify features due to apparent problems. Will reconsider adding them later at a more convenient time.
Attached File(s)
File Type: mq4 Ding_Dong_Dazz_V1.3_T2.mq4   11 KB | 218 downloads
File Type: mq4 Heiken_Ashi_Ma_T3_0T.mq4   7 KB | 229 downloads
  • #116
  • Feb 7, 2010 11:58pm Feb 7, 2010 11:58pm
hi ectrade,

thank you for the newest version...
i am still playing to do a setup, it's really confusing.... but i will try to learn to use it.

it getting complicated setup now... i hope i can figure it out how to use it properly. i will learn one by one....
after playing like an hour, i am still confuse, so i will ask you something about this to make sure thing everything is correct.

about this feature :
extern string separator1="----- Buy = 1, 3, 5, Sell = 2, 4, 6 -----";
extern int Dazz_1_6=1;
extern int Classic_1_2=0;
extern string Indicator_0_1="0";


i try to this combo 1:

setup 1 :
A. do classic mode :
buy : 0,1,0 , sell :0,2, 0

B. do dazz mode no indicator:
buy : 1, 0, 0 , sell :2, 0 ,0

C. do dazz mode with indicator :
buy : 3, 0, 1, sell : 4, 0, 1

setup 2 :
D. do dazz trio mode no indicator :
buy : 5, 0 ,0 sell : 6, 0, 0
E. do dazz trio mode with indicator :
buy : 5, 0 ,1 sell : 6, 0, 1

F. do dazz plus= combo A, B, C, D,E + THIS feature setup :
extern int Dazz_Plus_1_2=0;
extern int Indicator_Sim=0

do you think that is correct setup? which one is correct A,B,C,D, E and F ?

thx
  • #117
  • Feb 8, 2010 12:38am Feb 8, 2010 12:38am
Try this:

Dazz_1_6 = 1
Classic_1_2 = 0
Indicator_0_1 = 1

I don't know ... maybe I should have left the Indicator option set to 1?
  • #118
  • Edited 1:31am Feb 8, 2010 1:01am | Edited 1:31am
Quoting tulipevierge
i try to this combo 1:

setup 1 :
A. do classic mode :
buy : 0,1,0 , sell :0,2, 0

B. do dazz mode no indicator:
buy : 1, 0, 0 , sell :2, 0 ,0

C. do dazz mode with indicator :
buy : 3, 0, 1, sell : 4, 0, 1

setup 2 :
D. do dazz trio mode no indicator :
buy : 5, 0 ,0 sell : 6, 0, 0
E. do dazz trio mode with indicator :
buy : 5, 0 ,1 sell : 6, 0, 1

F. do dazz plus= combo A, B, C, D,E + THIS feature setup :
extern int Dazz_Plus_1_2=0;
extern int Indicator_Sim=0

do you think that is correct setup? which one is correct A,B,C,D, E and F ?
All except for Dazz_Plus mode, which is not setup, and indicator mode for options 5 and 6 (which doesn't exist), this looks correct.

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setup 1 :
A. do classic mode :
buy : 0,1,0 , sell :0,2, 0

B. do dazz...
Also, in setup 1 (and in others) you don't have to change 1 to 0 in Dazz_1_6 if you want to go with Classic_1_2. Just hit reset (if you already selected Dazz_1_6) and select 1 or 2 in Classic_1_2 mode. So, it could look like 1,1,0 (without indicator) ... or, 1,1,1 (with indicator). And yes, this is for "buy" mode.
  • #119
  • Feb 8, 2010 2:17am Feb 8, 2010 2:17am
Quoting ecTrade
All except for Dazz_Plus mode, which is not setup, and indicator mode for options 5 and 6 (which doesn't exist), this looks correct.

Also, in setup 1 (and in others) you don't have to change 1 to 0 in Dazz_1_6 if you want to go with Classic_1_2. Just hit reset (if you already selected Dazz_1_6) and select 1 or 2 in Classic_1_2 mode. So, it could look like 1,1,0 (without indicator) ... or, 1,1,1 (with indicator). And yes, this is for "buy" mode.

ok, i think... i know what you mean, after i read a few times to understand it.
well, more combo setup then...because i forgot the dazz classic, only do dazz duo...

Dazz_1_6 = 1
Classic_1_2 = 0
Indicator_0_1 = 1

i will leave it the preset default first, because i am not still understand the number means in preset and reset thing...

when setup with indicator, do we have to put EA at the spesific TF or not?
i have a lot of alert HAMA sell or buy at 5 digit ecn broker but no order yet...

but it works great at 4 digit broker, just need to optimize what is the best setup.

thx
  • #120
  • Edited 2:49am Feb 8, 2010 2:34am | Edited 2:49am
Quoting tulipevierge
ok, i think... i know what you mean, after i read a few times to understand it.
well, more combo setup then...because i forgot the dazz classic, only do dazz duo...
Yes.

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i will leave it the preset default first, because i am not still understand the number means in preset and reset thing...
That's a good idea, at least until you understand it better.

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when setup with indicator, do we have to put EA at the spesific TF or not?
i have a lot of alert HAMA sell or buy at 5 digit ecn broker but no order yet...
No, the timeframe is nonspecific, although I will probably change it at some point. Even then, hopefully I'll be able to get it to change it automatically, so you won't need to do anything at that point either.

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but it works great at 4 digit broker, just need to optimize what is the best setup.
It should work fine either way, although there's nothing to say you can't adjust it to however you like.
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