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  • #4,681
  • Jan 5, 2010 10:03am Jan 5, 2010 10:03am
Quoting juhanimi
How the smart money knows what to do, buy or sell, if they dont know if it is accumalation or distribution?
How do u know they know? I see a lot of "smart" money to go bankruptcy last couple of years.
  • #4,682
  • Jan 5, 2010 10:53am Jan 5, 2010 10:53am
Quoting gez40
It is the smart money who create acc/dis, the whole point of learning VSA is to know when, where and what smart money are doing, keep reading, keep learning and practise...if it were easy EVERY one would be doing it.

Gez
You have not read the book; Master the markets.

No individual trader or organisation
can control any but the most thinly traded of markets for any substantial period of time. p.15.

Or do You mean, "smart money" is like a mafia, and they work together.
  • #4,683
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:03am Jan 5, 2010 11:03am
Quoting alter
How do u know they know? I see a lot of "smart" money to go bankruptcy last couple of years.
I dont know, but I assume that PRO`s can see, what phase is going on.
No, only "stupid money" goes to bankruptcy.
  • #4,684
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:10am Jan 5, 2010 11:10am
Quoting juhanimi
You have not read the book; Master the markets.

No individual trader or organisation
can control any but the most thinly traded of markets for any substantial period of time. p.15.

Or do You mean, "smart money" is like a mafia, and they work together.
P.15 is about market makers not smart money (proffesional money), they are not the same thing, market makers are able to make money because they know where the buy/sell orders from the proffesional money are.

"

Market-makers are fully aware of the activities of trading syndicates and other professional operators that
place substantial orders. It therefore makes sense that they will take whatever opportunity is available to
better their own accounts accordingly."

proffesional money(smart money)will buy when low prices become attractive to them=accumilate, they will do this until supply has been removed, once this has happened prices can rise, proffesional money will then need to sell at higher prices to make a profit so the distribution phase starts, selling.

Gez

Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,685
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:12am Jan 5, 2010 11:12am
Quoting gez40
P.15 is about market makers not smart money (proffesional money), they are not the same thing, market makers are able to make money because they know where the buy/sell orders from the proffesional money are.

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place substantial orders. It therefore makes sense that they will take whatever opportunity is available to
better their own accounts accordingly."

proffesional...
Yes, I know all that what You are speaking. Can you answer my guestion?
  • #4,686
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:35am Jan 5, 2010 11:35am
Quoting juhanimi
Yes, I know all that what You are speaking. Can you answer my guestion?

Section 3
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,687
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:40am Jan 5, 2010 11:40am
Hope this link works ok

http://www.tradeguider.com/customer/...x1.aspx?Submit
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  • #4,688
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:42am Jan 5, 2010 11:42am
Thanks gez40, I assume you can see when it is accumalation and when distribution. You must be rich.
  • #4,689
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:47am Jan 5, 2010 11:47am
Quoting juhanimi
Thanks gez40, I assume you can see when it is accumalation and when distribution. You must be rich.
No i am not rich, i am learning the same as you and every one else here, all the answers you need are in the book, i was only trying to help you.

Gez
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,690
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:52am Jan 5, 2010 11:52am
If You can see, when it is accumalation and when it is disturbution, then it does not take many weeks to make millions, if You trade with honest broker off course.
  • #4,691
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:57am Jan 5, 2010 11:57am
Quoting alter
it is very difficult to see

is it really ???... go study a 60 min chart of eu and tell me that 1.4440 it is not easy to see what is going on .

It just takes a trained eye to see.

Most think that vsa is an indicator, basedo n one candle. They really do not have a clue what vsa is all baout. i have said this a billion time. VSA is all about back ground

I have seen calls for eu to move to 1.4700 and higher lol .... fools and their money are soon parted. HOW can something rise with no buyers and sellers redistibuting off the top ?
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  • #4,692
  • Jan 5, 2010 11:59am Jan 5, 2010 11:59am
wzup? i think i have 1 month since i didn't check the vsa trade, i see few new people, vsa is growing day after day, right malcom?
k, so let's roll...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Einstein
  • #4,693
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:04pm Jan 5, 2010 12:04pm
eu 4 hr showing distribution prior to 900 pip move...

vsa is not only one candle. These phases take weeks sometimes. You have to know what you are looking at and understand the reltionship in the volume in each ' wave'

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  • #4,694
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:09pm Jan 5, 2010 12:09pm
Quoting malcolmb14
is it really ???... go study a 60 min chart of eu and tell me that 1.4440 it is not easy to see what is going on .

It just takes a trained eye to see.

Most think that vsa is an indicator, basedo n one candle. They really do not have a clue what vsa is all baout. i have said this a billion time. VSA is all about back ground

I have seen calls for eu to move to 1.4700 and higher lol .... fools and their money are soon parted. HOW can something rise with no buyers and sellers redistibuting off the top ?
Agreed, thanks for all your posts malcolmb, still learning myself but determined to get there.

Gez
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,695
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:12pm Jan 5, 2010 12:12pm
I think all can see from history, what phase was.

Maybe somebody can show in liveaction?
  • #4,696
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:15pm Jan 5, 2010 12:15pm
look's like a redistribution...short time it's still seller's territory from what i see
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Einstein
  • #4,697
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:18pm Jan 5, 2010 12:18pm
s21, what curencypair and what timeframe?

and are You selling or just guessing?
  • #4,698
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:24pm Jan 5, 2010 12:24pm
Accumulation

Accumulation is a process through which the SM acquires a large quantity of the stock at the lowest possible price. Accumulation is a subtle, sophisticated and sly process of cornering a huge quantity of the stock that makes the following phases possible and worthwhile.

Once a large quantity has been absorbed the number of floating stock reduces and the demand increases.

This makes possible the next phase Markup.

Accumulation normally takes place in congestion areas.

Congestion area are mostly sideways range bound movements where the stock appears to have no interest to either move up or move down.

The SM ensures that the stock is contained below a certain upper level which is the supply area.

the same time the SM also supports the prices above a certain lower line which is the support area.

The stock moves within an upper resistance or supply area and a lower support area.

The congestion areas are characterized by Indecision. One of the most important characters of congestion areas is the Low Volume.

When most traders are bullish or bearish the volume is high.

volumes indicate indecision among the traders on bullishness and bearishness. Ah.. Sounds easy……..

Well the problem is that congestion areas are seen in both accumulation areas as well as Distribution areas ……… oh , Well that is not the only problem……….

There will be periods where no one seems to be interested in the stock… the pattern of price movement most of time very similar to the congestion pattern…..

So the naturally the question is how one would ascertain if the pattern is really accumulation in progress…….

A little later on this and other congestion patterns….. So the question was …
How one checks if the congestion area is really an accumulation area.

There are a few things to lookout for..

• First, the indecision should be quite visible. In other words the volume should be low and quite. No huge volume upsurges. Even if the volume is relatively higher the range between up day volumes and down day volume should be narrow.

• Second, the spread of the bars (High – Low) should be narrow.

• Third, the volume should shrink near the support line and expand near the resistance line.

• Fourth, the stock should be trading in a range for some weeks if not months.

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  • #4,699
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:26pm Jan 5, 2010 12:26pm
Quoting juhanimi
s21, what curencypair and what timeframe?

and are You selling or just guessing?
eur/usd...1h/15min...be more polite. no, i'm not selling.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Einstein
  • #4,700
  • Jan 5, 2010 12:36pm Jan 5, 2010 12:36pm
Quoting s21
eur/usd...1h/15min...be more polite. no, i'm not selling.

redistribution is right...

I think the 1.4260 level breaks and when it does ..... fast move down thru feb into
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