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  • #4,601
  • Dec 28, 2009 11:36pm Dec 28, 2009 11:36pm
I've seen the whole documentary now and he's much more about buying businesses at a better price than their real value, he lets them grow and the money that factory or whatever makes gets reinvested on other businesses... he says he's not too much into speculating but when they did it they've done it big, like buying cocacola with 1/3 of their money.
"Hate the sin, love the sinner." - Gandhi
  • #4,602
  • Dec 29, 2009 6:33am Dec 29, 2009 6:33am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
do not get blinded by the things such persons seem to do. they do not give their money away for welfare. 30bil for the bill & melinda gates foundation which works towards infertility under the cloak of development aid..
30bil is for (propagating) infertility? is that what u mean?
do u have an article u based this info from?
Thanks
  • #4,603
  • Dec 29, 2009 10:34am Dec 29, 2009 10:34am
Very interesting studying stuff here. I just started reading about it. I believe today SM played again with the market. Did I spotted it right?

I´ll apprecciate some comments about it.

ps-I´m using metatrader so I don´t relly on my brokers volume indi.
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  • #4,604
  • Dec 29, 2009 4:07pm Dec 29, 2009 4:07pm
For december 30 and further is that price is looking for more down - GBP/USD, what i see IN THIS SECOND from my charts.
Some retracements in asia or early london.. Maybe.. BUt GBP/USD - DOWN.

But that all can change as fast as VSA will show it for me

So i have no opinion.. just looking charts at this moment.

B,
Tom
  • #4,605
  • Dec 29, 2009 4:51pm Dec 29, 2009 4:51pm
Quoting tiagor
snip ... You should also check "The undeclared secrets that drive the stock market" as it's the original book by Tom Williams with less stuff about the Tradeguider software. Although it's older it has some more information. I guess you may find it around the web if you search for it. ..... snip
Tom William's book "The Undeclared Secrets That Drive the Stock Market"

mentioned by tiagor in post #426

http://www.therogueinvestor.com/images/TW_USTDTSM.pdf
  • #4,606
  • Dec 29, 2009 5:51pm Dec 29, 2009 5:51pm
Willowgal in post 501 complained of a lack of chart commentary.

Here is Eur USD 15M 12-29-09 ~23:43 GMT in a narrow consolidation range.

I'm staying out till rate moves to comply with Elliot Wave C on daily or bounces off of a weekly Andrew's Pitchfork median line. Chart is attached with Better Volume and VSA Text indicators
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  • #4,607
  • Dec 30, 2009 3:36am Dec 30, 2009 3:36am
EUR
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  • #4,608
  • Edited 6:18am Dec 30, 2009 5:58am | Edited 6:18am
resistance nicely failed, like anticipated.

10m + 30m screens.
weak rallies, followed by big downwaves. wicks to the upside everywhere. not able to violate previous support yet which turned resistance.
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  • #4,609
  • Dec 30, 2009 6:20am Dec 30, 2009 6:20am
thats why i really do not (like) to trade from 20th dec- about 10th of january.

this game goes on and on and you have to stick to your reasonable stops and not get shaken out by such pingponging
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  • #4,610
  • Dec 30, 2009 8:57am Dec 30, 2009 8:57am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
thats why i really do not (like) to trade from 20th dec- about 10th of january.

this game goes on and on and you have to stick to your reasonable stops and not get shaken out by such pingponging
If you look at a 5min, you will see that this "reverse" on the 15 min is basically the same thing that we are looking at on a 10 or 30 min. it's a mini breakout of a support with big volume, then we come back to test this support that became resistance and there is a big upthrust with lots of volume. so it's all bearish actually. but by looking only at the 15 min this reverse doesn't look good in the picture indeed
  • #4,611
  • Dec 30, 2009 9:07am Dec 30, 2009 9:07am
Are You sure that Sir. Dr.G. is looking only 15min ? ;]

I am surprised that people is talking like that - like You :}


Nevertheless - Its all ok....no offense. :}


Best,
Tom


Quoting mlambole
If you look at a 5min, you will see that this "reverse" on the 15 min is basically the same thing that we are looking at on a 10 or 30 min. it's a mini breakout of a support with big volume, then we come back to test this support that became resistance and there is a big upthrust with lots of volume. so it's all bearish actually. but by looking only at the 15 min this reverse doesn't look good in the picture indeed
  • #4,612
  • Dec 30, 2009 9:09am Dec 30, 2009 9:09am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
resistance nicely failed, like anticipated.

10m + 30m screens.
weak rallies, followed by big downwaves. wicks to the upside everywhere. not able to violate previous support yet which turned resistance.
Hi Dr.Geppynius,
Can I ask whom your favorite ninja trader broker is?
And where I might find the better volume indi you use in it?
  • #4,613
  • Dec 30, 2009 9:10am Dec 30, 2009 9:10am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
thats why i really do not (like) to trade from 20th dec- about 10th of january.
this game goes on and on...
Thanks, i'll keep that in mind.
this 'specific timeframe' u've mentioned above concurs with what some other traders told me. that's a pretty long annual vacation to look forward to
  • #4,614
  • Dec 30, 2009 9:16am Dec 30, 2009 9:16am
Quoting 45Fxguy
Hi Dr.Geppynius,
Can I ask whom your favorite ninja trader broker is?
And where I might find the better volume indi you use in it?
not really sure, but i think there is only 'one' ninja trader. it's not like MT4 which is used by different brokers.
u can try & look for the indicator in the 'Attachments' of this thread. ('Attachments' is a link located beside the pages list/links above, it has a paper clip symbol). alternatively, u can search for "ninja trader better volume indicator" (to look for the indi or posts related to it) using the 'Search' tool.
  • #4,615
  • Dec 30, 2009 11:56am Dec 30, 2009 11:56am
Quoting tfflyer
Are You sure that Sir. Dr.G. is looking only 15min ? ;]

I am surprised that people is talking like that - like You :}


Nevertheless - Its all ok....no offense. :}


Best,
Tom
I don't know what timeframes he is looking at, I am just reporting what I saw on the 5 minutes. That's all.

Personally I almost never look at the 5 min, only when I see a pattern on the 15min/30min that I am sure how to interpret then I look at the 5 minutes and most of the time it becomes clear.
  • #4,616
  • Dec 30, 2009 12:02pm Dec 30, 2009 12:02pm
I made this post on the eur/usd thread but I'm gonna post it here too since I'd like some view from VSA experts...please take a look and tell me if my analysis was correct

"I am short .4350 too I see weakness in this up move

purple dot - wide spread up bar on high volume
yellow dot - up bar on even higher volume but closing in the middle (so this has to be sellers)
red dot - upthrust (sellers)
blue dot - up bar, closing in the middle, less volume than previous 2 bars (no demand?)

also, PA was hitting a previous area of resistence round 4350~4360

SHORT! SL 15 pips and I am expecting a test of .4325 area again
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  • #4,617
  • Dec 30, 2009 12:25pm Dec 30, 2009 12:25pm
Quoting Jack Herer
I made this post on the eur/usd thread but I'm gonna post it here too since I'd like some view from VSA experts...please take a look and tell me if my analysis was correct

"I am short .4350 too I see weakness in this up move

purple dot - wide spread up bar on high volume
yellow dot - up bar on even higher volume but closing in the middle (so this has to be sellers)
red dot - upthrust (sellers)
blue dot - up bar, closing in the middle, less volume than previous 2 bars (no demand?)

also, PA was hitting a previous area of resistence round 4350~4360...

Looking at this pair right now volume has dropped off and is now going sideways, interesting that you took a short before waiting for confirmation tha all buyers have been absorbed, might just be taking a rest, i would have waited for a test before taking a position. Hope it goes your way though.

Gez
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,618
  • Dec 30, 2009 12:29pm Dec 30, 2009 12:29pm
Quoting gez40
Looking at this pair right now volume has dropped off and is now going sideways, interesting that you took a short before waiting for confirmation tha all buyers have been absorbed, might just be taking a rest, i would have waited for a test before taking a position. Hope it goes your way though.

Gez
mmm...I thought that those high volume up bars closing in the middle/upthrust/ no demand in sequence were all good confirmations to short

at least I got lucky, trade is in profit right now, and I got no drawdown.
  • #4,619
  • Dec 30, 2009 12:37pm Dec 30, 2009 12:37pm
Quoting Jack Herer
mmm...I thought that those high volume up bars closing in the middle/upthrust/ no demand in sequence were all good confirmations to short

at least I got lucky, trade is in profit right now, and I got no drawdown.

yep, looking to the left you got previous resistance at 1.43580 so you are right in your thinking, but we need confirmation that buys have been absorbed before a short( i do anyway) plus the high spread upbar does`nt have massive volume so i`m not sure that`s weakness, i maybe wrong of course. Good luck

Gez
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,620
  • Dec 30, 2009 2:29pm Dec 30, 2009 2:29pm
Quoting 45Fxguy
Hi Dr.Geppynius,
Can I ask whom your favorite ninja trader broker is?
And where I might find the better volume indi you use in it?
i am pretty happy with dorman futures, but i also use tradestation for futures.
with futures brokers you do regularly not have to be worried that much, way more regulation than fx.

the better volume indicator comes from the download section of ninjatrader-forum. but to be honest, i do not pay much attention to the color codes. have been trading too long with the regular volume histogram and prefer that.
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