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  • #861
  • Nov 23, 2009 4:54pm Nov 23, 2009 4:54pm
Gustav,

Ich frage mich warum Du hier einen Kommentar abgibst nachdem die Konversation schon lange am ende ist.

Nimm Dir die Zeit alle durchzulesen (hier und meine) und erst dann bilde Dir eine Meinung.

Andernfalls machst Du dich nur laecherlich.

Gruss
daytrading
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  • #862
  • Nov 23, 2009 6:40pm Nov 23, 2009 6:40pm
Quoting daytrading

As per the title, (Last Post. i am sure some will be glad)) I can't and will not say any more to the issue - it would simply mean repeating myself which would be a waste of everyone's time.


daytrading
Last post? He is back in less than 15 hours. You are a troll. You offer nothing except sarcasm and criticism.



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I would never disclose any of my proprietary work of any of the trading models I use (at least not on a public forum
  • #863
  • Nov 23, 2009 6:51pm Nov 23, 2009 6:51pm
Quoting forexmick
Last post? He is back in less than 15 hours. You are a troll. You offer nothing except sarcasm and criticism.
WOW Mick is back with the insults and name calling, my 5 year old is more of an adult than you are. Grow Up, real men can actually stand up to a little bit of inquiry clearly you and evidently your ilk don't yet meet that criteria. As I recall this was a civil discussion until you showed up.
  • #864
  • Nov 23, 2009 7:46pm Nov 23, 2009 7:46pm
you offer criticism of those that give practical help

ask a simply question and let him dig himself a hole



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sorry if you expected more 'practical' help.
"The person who knows that enough is enough, will always have enough". .
  • #865
  • Nov 24, 2009 12:45am Nov 24, 2009 12:45am
lol, more high-caliber discerning Jacko customers, great advert!

I don't know about them being plants and shills for his service, they're more likely plants by the competition going by the amount of damage they're doing to his service's credibility!
  • #866
  • Nov 24, 2009 12:52am Nov 24, 2009 12:52am
Quoting pipmutt
lol, more high-caliber discerning Jacko customers, great advert!

I don't know about them being plants and shills for his service, they're more likely plants by the competition going by the amount of damage they're doing to his service's credibility!
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Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #867
  • Nov 24, 2009 12:59am Nov 24, 2009 12:59am
I have read this thread with interest and laughter. there is two opposing silly camps in this thread.
(1) one is the people from Mr Jacksons trading group who say that he is a good trader and they are making money and learning to trade and some are even becoming fullterm traders, and that is good
(2) the other people who have not seen mr jacksons trading say it is hocus pocus and that mr Jackson is taking advantage of gullible people and that is not good

Now I don't know if Mr jackson is a good trader or not. I am not in his club. I don't know if he is profitable or not (tho lots of his members seem to say he is, and I can't see why they would be lying)
But isn't the true question one of caveat emptor or let the buyer beware?

If a person is over the age of 18 AND is reading a forex trading forum, AND wants to be a trader AND is prepared to pay some money to learn how to trade AND is NOT an imbecile, then he is assumed to be A RESPONSIBLE ADULT CAPABLE OF MAKING UP HIS OWN MIND.
In most countries they stick a gun in your hand and send you off to occupy or defend a country at that age.
I am always skeptical of people who criticise otheres under the guise that they have to protect others from making their own decision.
This is only my opinion
  • #868
  • Nov 24, 2009 1:39am Nov 24, 2009 1:39am
Quoting cyberfx
But isn't the true question one of caveat emptor or let the buyer beware?

I am always skeptical of people who criticise otheres under the guise that they have to protect others from making their own decision.
I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to protect others from making their own decisions, like you say we're all adults (although reading some of the posts here you wouldn't think so!), but there is such a thing as an informed decision, or one based on probability at least.

It's relatively easy for an inexperienced novice to be led astray, that's how forex scams are able to continue peddling their wares. No patsies, no business. It's up to the more experienced and seasoned traders to try and help those inexperienced (and often gullible) novices to make that decision an informed one.

A good example is the idea that by simply paying $700 to subscribe to a blog it will somehow turn an inexperienced novice into a consistently profitable trader. Anyone with any experience of trading will instantly know that the probability of that happening is extremely low, in fact lower than the alleged 5% stats.

Someone reading through this thread will hopefully have the common sense to discount all the unsubstantiated claims of profitability, see the types of people who have subscribed to this particular service and see the type of person who is running it, and read the opinions of experienced and seasoned vets. From that they should at least be able to weigh up the pros and cons, and in the absence of any evidence of (consistent) profitability from any of the subscribers reach an opinion. To be brutally frank, if they can't do that then they probably deserve all they get!
  • #869
  • Nov 24, 2009 1:44am Nov 24, 2009 1:44am
Quoting pipmutt
I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to protect others from making their own decisions, like you say we're all adults (although reading some of the posts here you wouldn't think so!), but there is such a thing as an informed decision, or one based on probability at least.

It's relatively easy for an inexperienced novice to be led astray, that's how forex scams are able to continue peddling their wares. No patsies, no business. It's up to the more experienced and seasoned traders to try and help those inexperienced...
Still grinding that axe are we? More non-sense from a bitter man.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #870
  • Nov 24, 2009 1:50am Nov 24, 2009 1:50am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Still grinding that axe are we? More non-sense from a bitter man.
(sigh), no axe to grind and no bitterness, just making a reasonable argument is all.

Try shooting the message instead of the messenger once in a while Goosey!
  • #871
  • Nov 24, 2009 1:55am Nov 24, 2009 1:55am
Quoting pipmutt
(sigh), no axe to grind and no bitterness, just making a reasonable argument is all.

Try shooting the message instead of the messenger once in a while Goosey!
Backup your message with a fact or at least some evidence, which you can't because you just make up lies and false arguments.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #872
  • Edited 2:23am Nov 24, 2009 2:07am | Edited 2:23am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Backup your message with a fact or at least some evidence, which you can't because you just make up lies and false arguments.
The facts speak for themselves. Did you actually read my post, or maybe you just didn't understand it?

Read it, if there's something you don't agree with then be specific and state your own opinion, that's what debates are made of. If there's something you don't understand then ask, it really is that simple.

Just saying something is 'lies and false arguments' suggests you're the one trying to grind an axe with the author rather than disagreeing with the message itself.

Here you go, have a read and try to come back with some intelligent comments....


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Quoting cyberfx
But isn't the true question one of caveat emptor or let the buyer beware?

I am always skeptical of people who criticise otheres under the guise that they have to protect others from making their own decision.

I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to protect others from making their own decisions, like you say we're all adults (although reading some of the posts here you wouldn't think so!), but there is such a thing as an informed decision, or one based on probability at least.

It's relatively easy for an inexperienced novice to be led astray, that's how forex scams are able to continue peddling their wares. No patsies, no business. It's up to the more experienced and seasoned traders to try and help those inexperienced (and often gullible) novices to make that decision an informed one.

A good example is the idea that by simply paying $700 to subscribe to a blog it will somehow turn an inexperienced novice into a consistently profitable trader. Anyone with any experience of trading will instantly know that the probability of that happening is extremely low, in fact lower than the alleged 5% stats.

Someone reading through this thread will hopefully have the common sense to discount all the unsubstantiated claims of profitability, see the types of people who have subscribed to this particular service and see the type of person who is running it, and read the opinions of experienced and seasoned vets. From that they should at least be able to weigh up the pros and cons, and in the absence of any evidence of (consistent) profitability from any of the subscribers reach an opinion. To be brutally frank, if they can't do that then they probably deserve all they get!

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  • #873
  • Nov 24, 2009 2:09am Nov 24, 2009 2:09am
I'm just saying 90% of all your posts in the thread are bull and you have a vendetta.


Quoting pipmutt
The facts speak for themselves. Did you actually read my post, or maybe you just didn't understand it?

Read it, if there's something you don't agree with then be specific and state your own opinion, that's what debates are made of. If there's something you don't understand then ask, it really is that simple.

Just saying something is 'lies and false arguments' suggests you're the one trying to grind an axe with the poster rather than disagreeing with the argument.

Here you go, have a read and try to come back with some intelligent comments....

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Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #874
  • Nov 24, 2009 2:14am Nov 24, 2009 2:14am
Quoting LasVahGoose
I'm just saying 90% of all your posts in the thread are bull and you have a vendetta.
And that's your idea of an intelligent comment and a reasonable debate is it?

'nuff said.....
  • #875
  • Nov 24, 2009 2:16am Nov 24, 2009 2:16am
Quoting pipmutt
And that's your idea of an intelligent comment and a reasonable debate is it?
'nuff said.

Building those strawmen still, I see...
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #876
  • Edited 4:18am Nov 24, 2009 3:47am | Edited 4:18am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Building those strawmen still, I see...
lol, well let's have a look at who's building a straw man here shall we....in fact the only reason we're discussing straw men at all is because you raised the subject!

I think I've presented a reasonable argument in my reply to someone else's post, at least it was relevant unlike your comments. You had every opportunity to put your opinions across about the subject but instead chose to divert attention away from the message by calling me names and making ridiculous accusations. Talk about building a straw man, that's a classic example if ever I saw one, and even then you couldn't present anything to 'win' your argument!

Anyway enough of your irrelevant nonsense Goosey, unless you have anything relevant to say about the subject your unwarranted attacks will be ignored, they're really not worthy of a reply anyway!


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  • #877
  • Nov 24, 2009 6:44am Nov 24, 2009 6:44am
Quoting capitalx
...members of his training group are returning here and telling us that he is profitable, they are now making profits too and some are even trading as a full job. I DON'T believe they are lying. I can't see a reason why they would want to lie to other people here about the mentoring course.
In the continued absence of any tangible evidence that they are profitable it's natural to be skeptical, especially reading some of their posts.

I'm assuming you're a member of his group, perhaps you would like to oblige?

It's a simple request, easily fulfilled, what continues to amaze me is that no-one has stepped up to the plate.
  • #878
  • Edited 7:31am Nov 24, 2009 7:20am | Edited 7:31am
Quoting capitalsx
Like you, I DON'T believe they are lying. I can't see a reason why they would want to lie to other people here about the mentoring course.
Believe it or not, 99% from this forum are lying regarding their profits, either as pips or as percent. Jacko's people are not an exception.
  • #879
  • Nov 24, 2009 7:59am Nov 24, 2009 7:59am
Quoting Sauron
Believe it or not, 99% from this forum are lying regarding their profits, either as pips or as percent. Jacko's people are not an exception.
lol exactly, that's human nature I guess, in fact I think the only person to post his P&L around here is Xaron! Actually thinking about it there are a few others who post their MyFXBook links but not many.

Mind you most traders (and I mean traders not wannabe's) don't usually discuss their profits or performance unless it's in context, like Xaron and his '$5k to infinite' thread. In most discussions about trading it's not relevant, the wisdom is in the posts irrespective of the author's P&L.

If people are claiming profitability, especially in threads like this one which relates to people's endorsement/promotion of a particular vendor, then I think it's only reasonable to expect some supporting evidence, in fact I think it should be mandatory otherwise everyone could claim to be profitable. Oh wait, they are!
  • #880
  • Nov 24, 2009 8:43am Nov 24, 2009 8:43am
LOL, capitalx are you planning on copying and pasting the whole thread?

Unreal, this has definitely gone from the sublime to the ridiculous!

Enough already, seeing as there's no chance of a reasonable discussion I'm out of here unless there's anything new, there's plenty of good advice from experienced pros in this thread to be getting on with.....
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