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  • #841
  • Nov 22, 2009 6:24pm Nov 22, 2009 6:24pm
Quoting pipmutt
Hmmm, as I remember there were a lot of questions and controversy over the timing of posts and the non-live management of trades, ie claims after the event.

Anyway he's got a thread here, why not just use that?

It's academic anyway, we all know it's never going to happen.
I read that thread about two weeks ago. I never saw any questions and controversy over the timing of his posts. He was very specific that all posts had to be live and in advance and I can't remember seeing any questions about the timeliness of his trade calls anywhere in that thread.
He was trading like a rocket and then the trolls started. So he left. I hope he doesn't leave here.
  • #842
  • Edited 8:07pm Nov 22, 2009 7:44pm | Edited 8:07pm
Quoting Setebos
I'm curious to see some hard evidence supporting jacko's business too. At least for the sake of ending this discussion for good. Knowing that jacko has been a respected member here for years and his services has many costumers I think it shouldn't be that much of a problem to bring some proof on stage.

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I have joined his group recently. I have checked his trades and they are legit. I also emailed fxtrader29 and went through his spreadsheets. http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=539 fxtraderhas done a complete breakdown of every trade
Jacko's an very unusual trader. His results are way above average. I am in the industry and I can tell you that he knows what he is on about.
I sent him an email 3 with 11 big questions and was totally gobsmacked when I had a reply in my inbox 4 hours later with full answers. I am in the industry so they were not newbie questions and his answers were what I would expect from a professional who has been around the traps for a long time.
If you think his fee is a large amount of money, then you are not ready to trade forex on a proper level. Trading forex is not a penny ante game. Brokers will rip you a new arsehole. My bosses are good traders but they will hardly give you the time of day. But if you want to be serious about trading, then Jacko is the best opportunity for traders I have seen so far.
  • #843
  • Nov 22, 2009 8:06pm Nov 22, 2009 8:06pm
Quoting endroute
Daytrading and others are being maligned because they have actually had the stones to stand up and say prove it as anyone selling a service like this should do, taking anyone at face value is a suckers game in these times.

Jacko and his marketing dept are really doing a disservice to the community here on ff, I too actually used to think highly of Jacko.
If satisfied customers who are happy with the service he provides and the value he gives are being called his marketing dept, then I must be in it too.
If you can't afford to join his group, or you don't want to, or if you have doubts, then don't join.
No one held a gun to my head to join. I am in the industry. I was impressed by his thread at Dailyfx, I was impressed by his thread here on forexfactory. I was impressed by his professionalism in all my emails to him. I was impressed by his previous results. I am impressed with his trading. I have got enormous value already from my $700 joining fee.
After reading all the crap over the last 4 or 5 pages about showing proof, he has already done that with his trading thread at Dailyfx. he showed live trading for over 6 months. And he is doing it every day with his private trading group. And he has been doing it for years.
  • #844
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:15am Nov 23, 2009 1:15am
Quoting zarraman
I have got enormous value already from my $700 joining fee.
And I'll just bet you've made 100's of pips but can't post any live trades, right?

lol, gimme a break.....
  • #845
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:16am Nov 23, 2009 1:16am
Quoting capitalx
I read that thread about two weeks ago. I never saw any questions and controversy over the timing of his posts.

Over 1200 pages and 18,000 posts, maybe you missed them, read it again
  • #846
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:27am Nov 23, 2009 1:27am
Quoting pipmutt
Hmmm, as I remember there were a lot of questions and controversy over the timing of posts and the non-live management of trades, ie claims after the event.
You going to back that up with some evidence?
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #847
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:29am Nov 23, 2009 1:29am
Quoting LasVahGoose
You going to back that up with some evidence?
Sure, read that thread.....c'ya back here in a couple of weeks!
  • #848
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:31am Nov 23, 2009 1:31am
Quoting pipmutt
Sure, read that thread.....c'ya in a couple of weeks!
Like I thought, blowing hot air again. More empty claims. Oh well...
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #849
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:35am Nov 23, 2009 1:35am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Like I thought, blowing hot air again. More empty claims. Oh well...
....but talking of evidence and hot air how about some trades there Goosey, you're one of the gang ain't ya?

Like I thought, I guess not huh, oh well....
  • #850
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:39am Nov 23, 2009 1:39am
Quoting pipmutt
....but talking of evidence and hot air how about some trades there Goosey, you're one of the gang ain't ya?
Like I thought, I guess not huh, oh well....
You really that much of a coward there pipbutt? Backup your claim.

Quoting pipmutt
Hmmm, as I remember there were a lot of questions and controversy over the timing of posts and the non-live management of trades, ie claims after the event.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #851
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:51am Nov 23, 2009 1:51am
Quoting LasVahGoose
You really that much of a coward there pipbutt? Backup your claim.
Yawwwwwn.....that's a bit pathetic even for you Goosey!

lol, like I said 'as I remember', just go and read the thread if you're that bothered about it, or don't, completely your choice.

Now if there's nothing new I'll leave you to your own little dream world, sure would be nice to see a few trades being called but I guess that's never going to happen so.....have a great day doing whatever it is that you do, I'm going to do some trading now, cheerio!
  • #852
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:52am Nov 23, 2009 1:52am
Quoting pipmutt
Yawwwwwn.....that's a bit pathetic even for you Goosey!
lol, like I said 'as I remember', just go and read the thread if you're that bothered about it, or don't, completely your choice.
Now if there's nothing new I'll leave you to your own little dream world, sure would be nice to see a few trades being called but I guess that's never going to happen so.....have a great day doing whatever it is that you do!
Well, at least we know you are a liar, too.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #853
  • Edited 3:17am Nov 23, 2009 2:53am | Edited 3:17am
Good morning,

Below a PM I received while participating in this thread, which, although disputed by many has its value and justification - even if it just makes members more vigilant before opening their purses or attach 'guru-status' to a single one person.

As per the title, I can't and will not say any more to the issue - it would simply mean repeating myself which would be a waste of everyone's time.

Without any hard feelings or regrets, I hope some value could be extracted from the (sometimes heated) discussion.

Here a copy of the PM:



Re: advice please
Quote:
Originally Posted by maq
daytrader

i have been reading the thread Forex Mentors - The Best Investment You Can Make, i don't want to get in between your debate

i am a newbie (rookie) and not a member of any group

the advice am asking for is what's the best way for a newbie like myself to learn and become a successful trader

could you please pm me or put it on a public form

kind regards
maq
Maq,

Sorry, I have been preoccupied with business issues (and with posting a few comments on this increasingly futile exercise of a thread).

It is difficult for me to gauge at what stage of the learning process you are. I can also not make any qualified comments about the quality of any mentor offerings through this forum (or any others) - I personally have learned by working in the industry since 1987. I was in a fortunate position to get to know people and traders that helped me open doors - but the learning and experience I had to make on my own (including losing money in the beginning of my trading).

Those experiences have made me what I am now - whether it is possible to sidestep this process by trying to gain access to the insides of one trader's head - I could not answer. I know what I know - whether that in turn would mean that If I told or taught someone else and whether those teachings would really make a difference to their profitability or skills as a trader is only a vague guess.

One thing for me is sure though: every time I met someone along the journey who had something of value to offer, I initially thought this is it, I am there now - only to find after so many years that this was an illusion. The reality was that only after a very long time of meeting very genuinely great traders, I had to filter out the essential pieces of advice and information they all had in common. Those were not secrets to strategies, trading systems or anything similar. It was amongst other traits mainly the business sense, openness to listen to differing opinions and the gift of assimilating a great deal of varying information and crafting it into something unique.

Once I had realized that, it was clear to me that trying to copy a single individuals success would (at least for me) not be possible...in the same way that Richard Dennis' 'turtle' experiment only produced a very small amount of lasting success with its participants. Purely copying his way did not create a feasible amount or new generation of great traders - despite the fact that he won his bet which stipulated to teach at least one lay person to become somewhat like him[Dennis].

Because trading is so much more than just the attempt to make it into a precise science, it requires so much more than just the effort to follow - you have to lead your own way into creating something that will be unique to and for yourself.

I sincerely hope that helps - and sorry if you expected more 'practical' help.

regards
daytrading
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  • #854
  • Nov 23, 2009 3:29am Nov 23, 2009 3:29am
Quoting daytrading
I hope some value could be extracted from the (sometimes heated) discussion.

I think it's been invaluable, as have your contributions to the debate.

Good trading to you DT!
  • #855
  • Nov 23, 2009 4:22am Nov 23, 2009 4:22am
Quoting daytrading

As per the title, I can't and will not say any more to the issue - it would simply mean repeating myself which would be a waste of everyone's time.

I sincerely hope that helps - and sorry if you expected more 'practical' help.


daytrading
Quote
Originally Posted by daytrading http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
I would never disclose any of my proprietary work of any of the trading models I use (at least not on a public forum ....


You are repeating yourself. You have never helped anyone in your life.
Your last post? Bollocks.
  • #856
  • Nov 23, 2009 5:39am Nov 23, 2009 5:39am
Picking a sentence out of a context has always been my favourite thinking strategy, well done mate

I am not much of a participator in the discussions. But I am quite a reader, imho. And I have read most of what DT has shared in the factory and all of it only confirms what he had written above - there's no rule written in stone about making money in forex - it's all about how you manage to put your skills in action or in other words - it's all in your head.
I've read most of the highly recommended threads, starting with Jacko's as a matter of fact. I found MY truth in fti's teachings in the Technical Analysis Fallacy thread where the main message is that no mentor, system or indicator will give you the key to success - it's all up to you to find your way through market's environment.
So take a minute to think about it before asking someone to give you the holy grail of trading (once again borrowed from fti) and teach you how to do the business which happens to claim the money of more than 90% of its participants.
  • #857
  • Nov 23, 2009 6:33am Nov 23, 2009 6:33am
Quoting zarraman
If satisfied customers who are happy with the service he provides and the value he gives are being called his marketing dept, then I must be in it too....
Ok first I have to know what does "in the industry mean" does that mean you are a trader for a bank or prop firm, water boy at an investment firm, what really? Hey if you feel you really got your moneys worth out of it and aren't just trying to make yourself feel good for the $700 you spent then good for you. But now that you have a signal service or whatever it is nowadays can you actually trade on your own without Jacko's signals, see this is where the rubber meets the road.

I do however stand by my earlier statement regarding your fellow "turtles" and their claims of great success on a thread about mentors it comes across as blatant promotion, and when asked for something to substantiate their claims you are called a troll and they run away. This was the entire genesis of this current direction of the thread
  • #858
  • Nov 23, 2009 2:02pm Nov 23, 2009 2:02pm
Quoting daytrading
Without any hard feelings or regrets, I hope some value could be extracted from the (sometimes heated) discussion.
I have thanked you for your contributions before, DT and I'm thanking you again. Do yourself a favor and forget this thread - the agenda couldn't be clearer.
  • #859
  • Nov 23, 2009 4:10pm Nov 23, 2009 4:10pm
Quoting FXSurfer
I have thanked you for your contributions before, DT and I'm thanking you again. Do yourself a favor and forget this thread - the agenda couldn't be clearer.
Daytrading, I thank you for your all your contributions too. The two most helpful were










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Originally Posted by daytrading http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
I would never disclose any of my proprietary work of any of the trading models I use (at least not on a public forum ....









Quote
Originally Posted by daytrading http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif

sorry if you expected more 'practical' help.


Thanks very much for all your helpful contributions




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  • #860
  • Nov 23, 2009 4:45pm Nov 23, 2009 4:45pm
Quoting daytrading
Good morning,

Below a PM I received while participating in this thread, which, although disputed by many has its value and justification - even if it just makes members more vigilant before opening their purses or attach 'guru-status' to a single one person.

How about calling Jacko a trader, instead of a guru? You want a guru? go talk to someone who makes their money hawking systems instead of trading.
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