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  • #21
  • Nov 18, 2009 8:55am Nov 18, 2009 8:55am
Quoting maheswara
I have been doing a side research on this too , I currently have a double monitor config using a single nvidia card , which is kinda old , and thats all the motherboard can support
as I plan to make it 4 monitors system, it needs 2 gpu and the motherboard needs to support crossfire (for ati) or SLI (for nvidia) to connect the 2 cards

so my suggestion is to have ur graphic-card decided first , and then buy a suitable motherboard that supports either sli or crossfire,
I prefer having Nvidia , I had ati radeon (9800) which burns twice in 2 years...

You do not need SLI or XFire for multiple monitors. If you want to hear a sad bit of news, SLI video cards only support a single monitor output anyways, instead of the four +2 TV's I should be able to. Ati is coming out with a new tech that will help alleviate this issue called EYEfinity. It allows for massive screen stretching.

For everyone else living here on earth that just wants to expand their graphics space, just buy a dual head PCI graphics card. They're like $30-40 and will support two monitors easy peasy. Otherwise, if you really wanted to, you could look into getting an NVS420 from nvidia which supports four monitors per single card.

It's really not as hard as everyone thinks it is. It's also a lot cheaper than everyone thinks it is!

Edit: I personally have an SLI setup, so I'm limited to a single display. That said, I haven't really noticed a difference either.
  • #22
  • Nov 18, 2009 11:40am Nov 18, 2009 11:40am
Quoting Skyhook
You do not need SLI or XFire for multiple monitors. If you want to hear a sad bit of news, SLI video cards only support a single monitor output anyways, instead of the four +2 TV's I should be able to. Ati is coming out with a new tech that will help alleviate this issue called EYEfinity. It allows for massive screen stretching.

For everyone else living here on earth that just wants to expand their graphics space, just buy a dual head PCI graphics card. They're like $30-40 and will support two monitors easy peasy. Otherwise, if you really wanted...
Further to this there are motherboards that have 2 graphics card sockets which allow for 2 dual (or higher) graphic cards to be used....
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  • #23
  • Nov 18, 2009 4:19pm Nov 18, 2009 4:19pm
Quoting coscorp
Further to this there are motherboards that have 2 graphics card sockets which allow for 2 dual (or higher) graphic cards to be used....
I feel like I should weigh in here and help unfold the mysteries to everyone to try and make sure everyone has an idea of what they're looking at inside of their computers.

1) PCI-express: PCI-e is the newest interconnect standard. Most computers that are four years old or newer use PCI-e. Within PCI-e there are a couple of mentionables. PCI-e uses the notion that why don't we build a bigger thoroughfare out of dozens of smaller lanes and rope them all together? So, the biggest and baddest video cards use 16 lanes and use what's known as PCI-e x16. Newer motherboards can have two or even three, and sometimes four, PCI-e x16 slots. Otherwise, most slots are divided up as PCI-e x4/1 lanes. They are starting to make lower end video cards that use x1 lanes for expandability and lower costs.

2) AGP: AGP is the predecessor interconnect to PCI-e as far as video cards are concerned (Yes, I know that the true predecessor to PCI-e is PCI-X, which isn't at all too dissimilar to AGP). You can only have one AGP slot per motherboard, so it's a bit limiting in that regard.

3) PCI: PCI is the lower end interconnect, but the most prevalent and ubiquitous. PCI is still included in new motherboards and is a good supplement to PCI-e. For our needs, a PCI video card is more than sufficient. It is also the most portable, with PCI being used since god only knows when long ago, such as during the time of AGP.

Now we can figure out the different display outputs.

1) Displayport - A contender to HDMI. Not in wide use at the moment. Mostly found on higher end workstation class cards anyways.

2) HDMI - The new digital standard since it combines video and audio into a single flat cable. Pretty prevalent. Also found as an input on TV's, in case you wanted to hook your computer to to your 42" plasma.

3) DVI - The older digital standard. Still in wide use as the standard connection. Offers support for higher resolutions and color depths. Also is electrically identical to HDMI. IE, it's a $3 adapter to convert your DVI output to HDMI so you can still hook into your TV.

4) VGA/DSub - The old flagging analog standard. Typically you only see this on smaller and older monitors. Can't support as high of resolution or color depth as DVI/HDMI/DP. Most built-in video is of the DSub variety for cost reasons. Also, DVI can be converted down to VGA/DSub, but not the other way around.

And with that, I am a huge nerd.
  • #24
  • Nov 18, 2009 5:55pm Nov 18, 2009 5:55pm
Quoting Tjpld
Having multiple monitors is overrated if you ask me.
I once had 3 CRTs on my desk but ended up using only one of them
anyway. Never felt the need for more monitors when I could just switch
through my open windows with my keyboard. When you trade longer
timeframes there is no need to stare at your open position all the time so I bough one huge Flatscreen instead which supports 2560x1600. Resolution is more important than size.
That's your preference. Mine is 2-3 monitors. I also trade medium to longer timeframes, but I like having all my potential markets open and being able to see anything I want to at a glance. Resolution matters depending on how many charts you want to view. If you want just one chart, then resolution just doesn't matter. If you want 4, then anything above 1680x1050 (probably even lower) makes no difference. You'd need a lot of charts open for 2560x1600 to make a difference.
  • #25
  • Nov 20, 2009 12:40am Nov 20, 2009 12:40am
Quoting Skyhook
I feel like I should weigh in here and help unfold the mysteries to everyone to try and make sure everyone has an idea of what they're looking at inside of their computers.

1) PCI-express: PCI-e is the newest interconnect standard. Most computers that are four years old or newer use PCI-e. Within PCI-e there are a couple of mentionables. PCI-e uses the notion that why don't we build a bigger thoroughfare out of dozens of smaller lanes and rope them all together? So, the biggest and baddest video cards use 16 lanes and use what's known as PCI-e...
I totally agree with you on this, knowing what you have inside your computer can make the world of difference when it comes to performance and reliability. Traders should really pay attention to the computers they are using. I personally have an awesome setup with 4 monitors, box display and a really fast computer from TechConnect. I'm really familiar with computers and technology so if anyone needs some help just shoot me an email.
  • #26
  • Nov 20, 2009 4:59am Nov 20, 2009 4:59am
Quoting Mr J
Resolution matters depending on how many charts you want to view. If you want just one chart, then resolution just doesn't matter.
It does. The higher your resolution is the more chart history you can see without zooming out. I like to be able to to see back as much as possible without scrolling from left to right or zooming out where your bars become only small dots. This way you can find sweet spots much easier. And anything under 1920x1200 doesn't look good if you want to watch 1080i Movies on your Screen comfortably.
  • #27
  • Nov 22, 2009 12:50pm Nov 22, 2009 12:50pm
Quoting maheswara
further probing ,
I found a cheaper solution to 6 monitors system,
and thats a hybrid crossfire agp , an amd motherboard of 790 (or other lower 7 series) is equiped with onboard radeon 3200 capable of having 2 monitors without an extra agp card
installing an extra compatible hybrid card will allow u another to add 2 more monitors
find board which has 2 pcie16x and u've got urself 6 outputs just with 2 additional cards
If u r just starting out in the business and cant shell much on a system , this is a nice solution

Mahesh,

Can you send me the detailed specs.. and what all motherboard and card you recomend....i am looking to upgrade my setup.....and i think i will go with 4 monitor first and then go till 6 so far.... closest i found was either use the way u suggested or use USB to monitor converter....


V
  • #28
  • Nov 22, 2009 8:41pm Nov 22, 2009 8:41pm
Quoting Tjpld
It does. The higher your resolution is the more chart history you can see without zooming out. I like to be able to to see back as much as possible without scrolling from left to right or zooming out where your bars become only small dots. This way you can find sweet spots much easier. And anything under 1920x1200 doesn't look good if you want to watch 1080i Movies on your Screen comfortably.
I didn't say it doesn't, I said it doesn't if the monitor has decent resolution. After a point, resolution only matters if you have a lot of charts open. I only have 4 per monitor, so there's no difference between 1680x1050, 1920x1080, or 2560x1600 in terms of detail. If you have 20 per monitor, then yes, you'll want every pixel you can get.
  • #29
  • Nov 22, 2009 9:45pm Nov 22, 2009 9:45pm
Quoting Tjpld
It does. The higher your resolution is the more chart history you can see without zooming out. I like to be able to to see back as much as possible without scrolling from left to right or zooming out where your bars become only small dots. This way you can find sweet spots much easier. And anything under 1920x1200 doesn't look good if you want to watch 1080i Movies on your Screen comfortably.
Hi Tjpld,
thanks for this, u made a decision easier.

Maheshwara,
Hi, i think having monitors row over row could be a bit of a problem for the eyes, because of dryness. Eyelids are too high, at times.
Matter of fact, it is reccommended tht u keep ur eyes level with the top bezel of ur monitor, so tht ur basically "looking down" at the monitor a bit, as it is a fact we blink less when we stare at monitors.
  • #30
  • Edited Nov 23, 2009 12:27am Nov 22, 2009 9:47pm | Edited Nov 23, 2009 12:27am
Quoting indianguyinny24
Mahesh,

Can you send me the detailed specs.. and what all motherboard and card you recomend....i am looking to upgrade my setup.....and i think i will go with 4 monitor first and then go till 6 so far.... closest i found was either use the way u suggested or use USB to monitor converter....


V
hey V,

motherboard wld be
MSI 790gx G65 (supports 2 extra cards)
processor wld be amd phenom II x4 920/940/955
this motherboard is equiped with a decent card already and the g65 has a side memory for the onboard card , so u can connect 2 monitors without an extra card ,
once u need to upgrade into 4 monitors buy appropriate card (radeon 3300 series will do) that supports hybrid crossfire, and then when u require 6 , repeat the last step n fill the last remaining agp slot


the processor+motherboard will cost around 210-220usd here (must be about ~20% cheaper there) and u can well use it for a long time without an upgrade (I say about 5years )
whenever u feel like adding extra 2 monitors ,an extra radeon 3300 series card will cost about 40usd ...

hope that helps
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  • #31
  • Nov 22, 2009 11:34pm Nov 22, 2009 11:34pm
Quoting Vik22
Hi Tjpld,
thanks for this, u made a decision easier.

Maheshwara,
Hi, i think having monitors row over row could be a bit of a problem for the eyes, because of dryness. Eyelids are too high, at times.
Matter of fact, it is reccommended tht u keep ur eyes level with the top bezel of ur monitor, so tht ur basically "looking down" at the monitor a bit, as it is a fact we blink less when we stare at monitors.
well, you may say so. it is a subjective experience.
But in reality in multimonitor setup, Im realy using and focusing to 4-5monitors - the most.

others are excel sheet, trading -execution platforms, NEWS, communications, (tanning ??)- so Im not looking on those screens all the time.. so far.. all good..

  • #32
  • Nov 23, 2009 12:56am Nov 23, 2009 12:56am
Quoting maheswara
hey V,

motherboard wld be
MSI 790gx G65 (supports 2 extra cards)
processor wld be amd phenom II x4 920/940/955
this motherboard is equiped with...
good stuff! if you're buying part by part - suggest you take the Athlon X4 - 620, 630, 640 - less than $100usd. cheaper than the full phenom II...budget 4 cores for multi-tasking.

skyhook is right - that you don't need sli or crossfire for multimonitor support since sli or crossfire is meant to harness 2 gfx cards to output more "power" to a single output --- but for those not so computer savvy...if you see a motherboard with sli or crossfire support, it generally means it has 2 or more pcie-x slots where you can run two gfx cards with two outputs each...so you're not running sli or crossfire, but can have 4 - 6 outputs with budget gfx cards.
  • #33
  • Edited 1:20am Nov 23, 2009 1:05am | Edited 1:20am
Quoting pursuit_21
good stuff! if you're buying part by part - suggest you take the Athlon X4 - 620, 630, 640 - less than $100usd. cheaper than the full phenom II...budget 4 cores for multi-tasking.

skyhook is right - that you don't need sli or crossfire for multimonitor support since sli or crossfire is meant to harness 2 gfx cards to output more "power" to a single output --- but for those not so computer savvy...if you see a motherboard with sli or crossfire support, it generally means it has 2 or more pcie-x slots where you can run two gfx cards with two outputs...

just in case someone needs some specs for a budget system for 4 -6 monitor support: i recently built a budget backup for our office:

athlon x4 640
biostar ta790gx a3+ (same chipset as maheswara)
4 gb kingston value ram
1 x PowerColor ATI AX 4350 256MB DDR2 (get 2x if you want to run 6 monitors...an additional $35 usd.)
coolermaster case + psu.
500gb WD caviar black
LG dvd-rw
- total price was $450 USD.

oh and this runs ... MT4, SaxoTrader2, 8tabs on Firefox, Music, MS excel, UBS FS..at the same time without any problems or noticeable lag.
  • #34
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:08am Nov 23, 2009 1:08am
I have a nice 8 monitor set up. 4 on top and 4 on bottom. The problem that I am having is since I am using XP 32 bit, I can't use all of the 4 gig ram that I have. And it is causing high CPU usage. So here I am having to upgrade to a 64 bit OS. But it is still a nice system. I have 2 video cards controlling the monitors
  • #35
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:30am Nov 23, 2009 1:30am
@pursuit ,
nice info thanks

i was considering biostar before as it is about 40 bux cheaper , but there is no side memory to it and thus onboard card wont be good enough to run higher graphic programs , offcourse if u r not using the onboard , then no probs there ...

and also another cheaper option for processor is buying the phenom x3 (720 I think) and overclock it to x4 , but its lil unstable and u need to get the compatible motherboard ...
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  • #36
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:37am Nov 23, 2009 1:37am
Quoting maheswara
@pursuit ,
nice info thanks

i was considering biostar before as it is about 40 bux cheaper , but there is no side memory to it and thus onboard card wont be good enough to run higher graphic programs , offcourse if u r not using the onboard , then no probs there ...

and also another cheaper option for processor is buying the phenom x3 (720 I think) and overclock it to x4 , but its lil unstable and u need to get the compatible motherboard ...
yeah that x3 is a good chip and some of them you can unlock the 4th core...but personally not feeling so good about working off a oc'ed cpu.

the biostar model i got comes with the sideport memory -- 128mb

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/t-s...t.php?S_ID=395

...i don't know if its cheaper than the msi though.


...i've had bad experiences with RMA's for MSI here in singapore -- probably why i stick to Biostar.
  • #37
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:42am Nov 23, 2009 1:42am
@Mahesh

Thanks for the details....

@pursuit

thanks for the prices...

Any idea if we have same setup for the NVIDIA....as recently some programming bug with CUDA has catch up with me....would love to see ur inputs on that....

V
  • #38
  • Nov 23, 2009 1:50am Nov 23, 2009 1:50am
Quoting indianguyinny24
@Mahesh

Thanks for the details....

@pursuit

thanks for the prices...

Any idea if we have same setup for the NVIDIA....as recently some programming bug with CUDA has catch up with me....would love to see ur inputs on that....

V
hmm...couple possibilities...run the exact same list as above -- but instead get 2 x NVIDIA 8400gs cards...about the same price and performance as the ATI 4350 stated there. but this will limit you to 4 outputs as the onboard is using ATI's onboard chip.

if you plan to use NVIDIA suggest you go with an intel setup ...after
AMD's acquisition of ATI i've found that amd+ati setups work better together.

don't bother with the i5 or i7 chips unless your budget allows, i've found for most trading systems an intel core2 quad 6xxx works fine.
  • #39
  • Nov 23, 2009 2:02am Nov 23, 2009 2:02am
Quoting pursuit_21
yeah that x3 is a good chip and some of them you can unlock the 4th core...but personally not feeling so good about working off a oc'ed cpu.

the biostar model i got comes with the sideport memory -- 128mb

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/t-s...t.php?S_ID=395

...i don't know if its cheaper than the msi though.


...i've had bad experiences with RMA's for MSI here in singapore -- probably why i stick to Biostar.
I see
I havent checked the A3+ , but it looks good , and price is about 100usd...

@V,
I agree with pursuit here , ati seems to be leading in graphics now after amd joined,
but the market share for processor still lead by intel , and its a pretty wide gap ...
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  • #40
  • Nov 23, 2009 2:23am Nov 23, 2009 2:23am
Quoting indianguyinny24
@Mahesh

Thanks for the details....

@pursuit

thanks for the prices...

Any idea if we have same setup for the NVIDIA....as recently some programming bug with CUDA has catch up with me....would love to see ur inputs on that....

V
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