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  • #3,481
  • Sep 27, 2009 6:23am Sep 27, 2009 6:23am
This thread needs to be closed. People can make copies of it, there is more than enough information that can be gleaned from this and the "Undeclared Secrets" ebook for people to be able to trade successfully.

I'm not saying this to deingrate anyone's hard work, I think that HiddenGap's and malcomb14's posts are spot on the money. We now have to look after ourselves, and make sure that this method is not jeapodised. For live trades, people can use the chatroom.
  • #3,482
  • Sep 27, 2009 6:29am Sep 27, 2009 6:29am
Please indulge me... (non-trading related)

Please visit this thread
Help needed.
Thank you!
  • #3,483
  • Sep 27, 2009 7:20am Sep 27, 2009 7:20am
sorry, but wasn't that you who started the whole vsa frenzy followed by malcolmb ? If newbies start to hear statements like: "heh, easiest 100 pips in the world using vsa"..."check out this vsa setup - couldn't get any more easier than this"..."making 300pips a day trading the sideways market up and down after that upthrust" etc etc... what would you expect to happen ? If there's anything about panicing and spreading the word/rumours it's the financial markets...you of all should know that...been reading the auslanco thread and vsa is all over the place in there as well.

not trying to offend you it's just that there has been A LOT of "advertising" going on in many threads, not just here and trying to fix things just by asking politely is like chasing the wind and will lead you nowhere.

the only thing that is working for you is the fact that it is not easy to adapt strategy and needs a lot of time and effort and resources to make it work.



Quoting Dr.Geppynius
[size=3][color=Red][b]i just wanted to throw in something for you to view and remind you, that with explaining and spreading this knowledge you/we are all working on the potential upcoming failure of this way of trading.

don't assume that all of those thread views are only small retail traders...i only can say it again: the knowledge spreads it's way from such forums like FF where professionals/ brokers etc. can see the general bias or tading methodologies of the herd and work against it, because this is the way it works. it might just be wrong...
  • #3,484
  • Sep 27, 2009 7:24am Sep 27, 2009 7:24am
i slowly began to write a few notions about vsa as seen on my screenshots but i never started any histeria. notions like "easy 300 pips" etc. are not from me. i told about the mtm book everybody knows here...but not publically....but soon this thing started to explode. i am just trying to make some people think about the possible outcome when spreading something to excessive and that they do not benefit from that! i can not force them, i only can try to let them use their brains and come to the conlusion on their own which is the strongest motivation. period.
  • #3,485
  • Sep 27, 2009 8:28am Sep 27, 2009 8:28am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
...i only can try to let them use their brains and come to the conlusion on their own which is the strongest motivation. period.

yes,

couldn't agree more.
  • #3,486
  • Sep 27, 2009 8:53am Sep 27, 2009 8:53am
Hmm i dont think this thread can affected whole VSA

90% people here will fail using it.they will not do lot of effort to study background.they will still taking vsa setup by setup and fail even if they will take good setup they will fail coz will be greedy .really it take lot of effort to be profitable with any method not just VSA .
  • #3,487
  • Sep 27, 2009 10:24am Sep 27, 2009 10:24am
Quoting adriann
Hmm i dont think this thread can affected whole VSA
IF you asked anyone on wall street what their system is and how they make money do you think they will tell you? NO THEY WONT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR MAKING MONEY DEPENDS ON OTHERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY KNOW.

I have a professional trader friend and he has never told me anything about his system. I think he has a pact with his partners to never say anything or its just an unspoken rule.

Anyway, there is more than enough information out there for anyone to succeed but this is making the bar so much lower that many more will make it over. The result may be that the professionals who manipulate the market will go to even more extreme measures to obfuscate what they were doing maybe even making it so accurate volume is unobtainable...i dont know, but point is this cannot be good.

The live chat room is more than enough.
  • #3,488
  • Sep 27, 2009 11:55am Sep 27, 2009 11:55am
Quoting radicalboy
IF you asked anyone on wall street what their system is and how they make money do you think they will tell you? NO THEY WONT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR MAKING MONEY DEPENDS ON OTHERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY...
Yes thats true , but you must consider VSA is not a SYSTEM its a METHOD thats differnet. Yes if everyone will be using system with same entries and same exits. it can fail.
but VSA is like Elliot Waves how to analyze market. give it to 10people and you will get differnet results from each.
becouse you must use your our experience as a trader to read background also money management and position sizing..how to exit trades.
that make a different and different results therfore it doesnt matter if VSA is open to puplic.
big different .
  • #3,489
  • Sep 27, 2009 12:35pm Sep 27, 2009 12:35pm
Quoting adriann
Yes thats true , but you must consider VSA is not a SYSTEM its a METHOD thats differnet. Yes if everyone will be using system with same entries and same exits. it can fail.
but VSA is like Elliot Waves how to analyze market. give it to 10people and you will get differnet results from each.
becouse you must use your our experience as a trader to read background also money management and position sizing..how to exit trades.
that make a different and different results therfore it doesnt matter if VSA is open to puplic.
big different .
The concern is that all the brokers need to do is to either not offer volume feeds or to make sure that the volume information that reaches us is flawed. That would render this method unusable, and no different to all the garbage MACD, COG, MA's that is out there.
  • #3,490
  • Sep 27, 2009 12:44pm Sep 27, 2009 12:44pm
Quoting adriann
Yes thats true , but you must consider VSA is not a SYSTEM its a METHOD thats differnet. Yes if everyone will be using system with same entries and same exits. it can fail.
but VSA is like Elliot Waves how to analyze market. give it to 10people and you will get differnet results from each.
becouse you must use your our experience as a trader to read background also money management and position sizing..how to exit trades.
that make a different and different results therfore it doesnt matter if VSA is open to puplic.
big different .
radicalboy got it. it's not about the things you mentioned, it goes deeper. it's about lowering the quality of the tools we need for vsa, about going to more extremes, false positives or wihtholding data. nobody cares if 1of10 or 3of100 are successful using this method, its about the fact that the knowledge about the source of the marketmoves and tracking footsteps is known by the idiotmoney.

why do u think trading pivots or s/r breaks fail? because it is common knowledge that many trade touches of pivots or breaksouts of s/r. misleading is the most important part of trading.

i can only emphasize wallstreet mindset again: preventing others from making money is nearly as good as making money!
  • #3,491
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:04pm Sep 27, 2009 1:04pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
[size=3][color=Red][b]i just wanted to throw in something for you to view and remind you, that with explaining and spreading this knowledge you/we are all working on the potential upcoming failure of this way of trading.

don't assume that all of those thread views are only small retail traders...i only can say it again: the knowledge spreads it's way from such forums like FF where professionals/ brokers etc. can see the general bias or tading methodologies of the herd and work against it, because this is the way it works. it might just be wrong...
Here on FF alone there 21 trading systems with more views than the VSA discussion.

Two of these have more than 1 million views, so IMHO we do not have that much to worry about.
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  • #3,492
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:08pm Sep 27, 2009 1:08pm
Quoting macman
Here on FF alone there 21 trading systems with more views than the VSA discussion.

Two of these have more than 1 million views, so IMHO we do not have that much to worry about.
you did not get it.
nobody cares about those indicator based or other technicals systems since they do not explain anything and just try to add probabilites to your side. even tough some seem to do good with them.
we talk about chart/ supply&demand reading and therefore beeing pretty close to true reaosns for movements and trying to track the players that matter!
  • #3,493
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:15pm Sep 27, 2009 1:15pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
you did not get it.
nobody cares about those indicator based or other technicals systems since they do not explain anything and just try to add probabilites to your side. even tough some seem to do good with them.
we talk about chart/ supply&demand reading and therefore beeing pretty close to true reaosns for movements and trying to track the players that matter!
Yes, I did get it - my point is that the relatively small number of views for VSA related material is largely irrelevant ... IMHO
  • #3,494
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:19pm Sep 27, 2009 1:19pm
Quoting macman
Yes, I did get it - my point is that the relatively small number of views for VSA related material is largely irrelevant ... IMHO
if you give me a detailed list with names of everybody who has viewed this thread, i might agree after research

over 400k imho is pretty much awesome.
  • #3,495
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:23pm Sep 27, 2009 1:23pm
I am for close.


Best,
Tom
  • #3,496
  • Sep 27, 2009 1:41pm Sep 27, 2009 1:41pm
lol, I have a pretty good laugh when I see people here raising their concerns about the possibility of professional manipulation over this methodology when it's getting too public. I don't know why they do but I think Mr Wyckoff wouldn't care about this issue when he published his volume study decades ago, so that someone has used and transformed his work with a fancy name like "volume spread analysis" - the unique "multi dimension approach" methodology.

The most ridiculous jargon I heard about this methodology is the phrase " the market don't like up bar or down bar on high volume......"

Perhaps, it's wise to ignore the Head and shoulder pattern in the Pound as there is a chance that the "smart money" would "mark up" it to the upside after seeing too many trader on FF positioning in this pattern.
Trading is the game of fear and greed.
  • #3,497
  • Sep 27, 2009 2:34pm Sep 27, 2009 2:34pm
Hello FX Chartist,

how much are You familliar with VSA ?

Thanks for answer.

Best,
Tom

Quoting Fx chartist
lol, I have a pretty good laugh when I see people here...
  • #3,498
  • Sep 27, 2009 5:12pm Sep 27, 2009 5:12pm
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Quoting Fx chartist
lol, I have a pretty good laugh when I see people here...
  • #3,499
  • Sep 27, 2009 5:20pm Sep 27, 2009 5:20pm
vsa is rubbish it does not work..... do not trade just using it....

Quoting ad2008
Note :

VSA is failed to be a Holy Grail, especially by Low Volume, you will be fooled by Mark-up or Mark-down without any clue.

Cheers,
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  • #3,500
  • Sep 28, 2009 1:30am Sep 28, 2009 1:30am
Hello, here is a post I have made elswhere. About the discussion of closing this thread out, I do not think closing it would be a good idea.

Even if brokers or more people look at VSA, the reality will not change. Alot of people will try to use it and profit from it and most will failed. The ones who will succeed will succeed because they are passionate about it.

I do not beleive because VSA will become more and more well known that it will stop work. The principles behind VSA are such that nothing will change them. Market manipulation is always present and will always be there. It is up to the trader to adapt to the market and its constant ever changing environnment.

As for succcuding using VSA, here is a little advise that i have somebody on another thread about VSA. (Yep, VSA threads are blooming all over the place). I am and will always be a big fan of open knowledge and not the opposite.

Hello _______. In answer to your question, yes you can definitely profit from trading spot forex with VSA. It all depend if you will make the time and commitment to learn and apply it properly.

I am trading VSA since 2007 in forex and i am profitable using it and now i am in the process of increase my position size to be able to trade full-time soon.

As for MT4, dont loose time with using it for forex, it will do you no good. The only reliable volume that can be used in forex is the GTIS forex feed of Esignal which include more than 300 contributors which represent a good aggregate of big players in the spot forex market.

I am using Esignal GTIS forex data feed (composite feed) (cost 100$ a month) with Ninja Trader which is a very friendly user charting platform and it is free. Read all the sticky threads on VSA here and there is also a great thread on VSA on forexfactory called "Trading using VSA". On that thread, look for the posts of Malcomb14, Dr. Geppynius and of HiddenGap.

Here, also, i suggest to read all posts about VSA of Eiger, Annonymous, CandleWhisperer and VolumeJedi.

I do not agree about better using EOD charts for VSA in forex. Intraday charts are just fine if you know what you are doing. I trade mainly based on the 5 min chart and also look at the 15m, 1h and 4h charts too.

As in all endeaviors, being successful or not trading VSA, as in any other methodoly, depend 30% on the technic you use and 70% on yourself, the trader. How do you manage risk, how do you control your emotions, do you have a clear and well defined trading plan, are you confortable with the instrument you trade, do you know that instrument very well, are you disciplined enough to follow your trading plan. Answer to all those questions are way more important than just learning VSA itself.

Using VSA profitably will only come when you answer yes confidently to all those questions and you have a good knowledge and application of VSA principles. Then, the VSA setups will be the "cherry on the cake" if you like.

So, study, study and please do 1000 of hours of screen time for seeing how those VSA setup unfold in real-time on your favorite forex instrument. That will help you tremendously to recognize high probability trading VSA setups.

Hope it help!

Sincerely

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