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  • #3,441
  • Sep 23, 2009 10:42pm Sep 23, 2009 10:42pm
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Quoting tfflyer
Yuppie,
thanks for chart..

I see that i have problem with this kind of setup - Last up bar - low volume, narow spread.. closing in middle - please, explain how to look on them.. Or someone other.. Because i see that kind of bar like NO DEMAND.. But i know that ND can be only in downtrend..

One day i will understand

Thank You everyone !

Best,
Tom

Tom, if you are talking about the very last bar in the picture - then this one had not completed yet.


Magnus
  • #3,442
  • Sep 23, 2009 11:59pm Sep 23, 2009 11:59pm
Quoting tfflyer
Yuppie,
thanks for chart..

I see that i have problem with this kind of setup - Last up bar - low volume, narow spread.. closing in middle - please, explain how to look on them.. Or someone other.. Because i see that kind of bar like NO DEMAND.. But i know that ND can be only in downtrend....
If you are speaking of the candle I think you are, then it is a Hidden Test.

Like no demands, a hidden test is an up candle/bar. However a hidden test will often make a lower low and not a higher high. As is the case here. More importantly, there will be strength in the background not weakness.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #3,443
  • Sep 24, 2009 1:04am Sep 24, 2009 1:04am
Quoting tfflyer
Yuppie,
thanks for chart..

I see that i have problem with this kind of setup - Last up bar - low volume, narow spread.. closing in middle - please, explain how to look on them.. Or someone other.. Because i see that kind of bar like NO DEMAND.. But i know that ND can be only in downtrend..

One day i will understand

Thank You everyone !

Best,
Tom
tfflyer, you have confusion on a basic and important knowledge. no demand come during uptrend(not downtrend as you said).
demand means BUYERS, so in uptrend we want to know if buyers are still there, if so ,the price will still go up again right?so we will not sell. we wait untill buyers decrease,decrease untill we see No Demand bar (one or more ND bar)that mean buyers are so much decreased so we can sell with comfort . (look what the teacher said).
hope this more illustration is helpful.
  • #3,444
  • Sep 24, 2009 1:28am Sep 24, 2009 1:28am
Quoting HiddenGap
If you are speaking of the candle I think you are, then it is a Hidden Test.

Like no demands, a hidden test is an up candle/bar. However a hidden test will often make a lower low and not a higher high. As is the case here. More importantly, there will be strength in the background not weakness.
Hi HG.
what do you think about the 15m gu chart i posted yesterday just after MPC meating.i think it was beautiful, i shorted for considerable no of pips.i hope others benifited from it.
but my quest. (for you or the Dean, malc) is ;
its difficult to apply VSA on higher TF as 4h or daily.actually i see all volume bars on these time fraames are confusing and similar. so pls if you have time can you, or the Dean,post a chart about these tf?(even historical one no need to be up to date).
thx Teacher.
  • #3,445
  • Sep 24, 2009 2:54am Sep 24, 2009 2:54am
Hi Rockk,

If trend is up - i dont want to look for ND bars...
And before to look for ND bar, there should be also Climatic actions, etc.. weakness before... also LH, etc.etc.etc...
So, i dont look for ND bars in up trend..

In my first learning steps i was thinking like You, so its ok.

And i have some basic knowledge

Best,
Tom


Quoting rockk
tfflyer, you have confusion on a basic and important knowledge. no demand come during uptrend(not downtrend as you said).
demand means BUYERS, so in uptrend we want to know if buyers are still there, if so ,the price will still go up again right?so we will not sell. we wait untill buyers decrease,decrease untill we see No Demand bar (one or more ND bar)that mean buyers are so much decreased so we can sell with comfort . (look what the teacher said).
hope this more illustration is helpful.
  • #3,446
  • Sep 24, 2009 2:56am Sep 24, 2009 2:56am
Hello HG,

thank You, yes You are talking about candle i was thinking.

Thanks for comments, i got it.

Best,
Tom



Quoting HiddenGap
If you are speaking of the candle I think you are, then it is a Hidden Test.

Like no demands, a hidden test is an up candle/bar. However a hidden test will often make a lower low and not a higher high. As is the case here. More importantly, there will be strength in the background not weakness.
  • #3,447
  • Sep 24, 2009 3:43am Sep 24, 2009 3:43am
Quoting tfflyer
Hi Rockk,

If trend is up - i dont want to look for ND bars...
And before to look for ND bar, there should be also Climatic actions, etc.. weakness before... also LH, etc.etc.etc...
So, i dont look for ND bars in up trend..

In my first learning steps i was thinking like You, so its ok.

And i have some basic knowledge

Best,
Tom
hi tfflyer,how are you.
of course you have basic knowledge.a good one
but i said confusion.as you said in ur post "But i know that ND can be only in downtrend.." all what i wanted to say, and also HG ,is to look to the background,and ND comes with strength in background,not in downtrend.
  • #3,448
  • Sep 24, 2009 4:40am Sep 24, 2009 4:40am
hiya, sorry if this question sound stupid, but when u mention ND bar, does it means one of the bar in the 'better volume indi'? as i am getting muddle up with all the new terms within volume spread analysis.
  • #3,449
  • Sep 24, 2009 4:47am Sep 24, 2009 4:47am
Rockkkkkk, i dissagree with You

ND comes after we have seen weakness in background.

Best,
Tom


Quoting rockk
hi tfflyer,how are you.
of course you have basic knowledge.a good one
but i said confusion.as you said in ur post "But i know that ND can be only in downtrend.." all what i wanted to say, and also HG ,is to look to the background,and ND comes with strength in background,not in downtrend.
  • #3,450
  • Sep 24, 2009 4:49am Sep 24, 2009 4:49am
Hi Hoifa,

i had the same problem with terms, but basic terms You will understand when You will read Volume book.
You can find it on first post.

Best,
Tom



Quoting Hoifai
hiya, sorry if this question sound stupid, but when u mention ND bar, does it means one of the bar in the 'better volume indi'? as i am getting muddle up with all the new terms within volume spread analysis.
  • #3,451
  • Edited 5:43am Sep 24, 2009 5:24am | Edited 5:43am
such clarity only presents itself in high-liquid markets. (see the 30m screenshot of that area 2 posts below)
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  • #3,452
  • Sep 24, 2009 5:33am Sep 24, 2009 5:33am
...spike into the demand line...picking up remaining orders at discount and pushing up through globex highs resulting in a little shortqueeze, accelerating the whole thing. (IMHO!)

nevertehelss this massive newsbar has to be tested.
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  • #3,453
  • Sep 24, 2009 5:42am Sep 24, 2009 5:42am
regarding what i said yesterday, here you see the area on the 30m chart where i entered on the above 5m screenshot. it's all about orderflow.

watch 1068 on s&p 500 today. this is the area i am watching for the next setup and i am already biased (not good )
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  • #3,454
  • Sep 24, 2009 5:54am Sep 24, 2009 5:54am
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
regarding what i said yesterday, here you see the area on the 30m chart where i entered on the above 5m screenshot. it's all about orderflow.....
wow, a 'handful' of posts & charts from u today!
Thanks Sir.
btw, i had some follow-up Q's earlier (see below), u might have overlooked it.
would appreciate a reply.


Quoting supremeChaos
Interesting Sir.
do the '' better ones' '' high price + better feed not worth it enough to make a significant dent in your bottomline?
what's the significance of this option? does it give better info, VSA wise, than the composite volume?
do the long wicks 'distort' or hamper with your VSA analysis?
....
  • #3,455
  • Sep 24, 2009 6:01am Sep 24, 2009 6:01am
Quoting supremeChaos
wow, a 'handful' of posts & charts from u today!
Thanks Sir.
btw, i had some follow-up Q's earlier (see below), u might have overlooked it.
would appreciate a reply.
-better feeds minimize the risk of fasle positives. i have seen some differences in volume from one broker compared to the esignal composite.

-esignal composite price bars are ugly. compare e.g. "EUR A0-FX" to "EUR@TDFX A0-FX" where tdfx is the brokerage and A0-FX the spotforward
  • #3,456
  • Sep 24, 2009 11:49am Sep 24, 2009 11:49am
Quoting tfflyer
Rockkkkkk, i dissagree with You

ND comes after we have seen weakness in background.

Best,
Tom
yesss!!!
ok welcome to disagreement. i am open minded.
so you can refer the whole subject to H.G to answer it.
agree?
  • #3,457
  • Sep 24, 2009 11:57am Sep 24, 2009 11:57am
Rockk, no problem, if HG will say that its not true what i am saying - No problem, i am here to learn

I am saying:

ND comes after we have seen weakness (or lack of demand) in the background.

p.s.
i am sure, others can also tell their comments on that




Best,
Tom


Quoting rockk
yesss!!!
ok welcome to disagreement. i am open minded.
so you can refer the whole subject to H.G to answer it.
agree?
  • #3,458
  • Sep 24, 2009 12:05pm Sep 24, 2009 12:05pm
Quoting tfflyer
Rockk, no problem, if HG will say that its not true what i am saying - No problem, i am here to learn

I am saying:

ND comes after we have seen weakness (or lack of demand) in the background.

p.s.
i am sure, others can also tell their comments on that




Best,
Tom

ND comes everywhere...BUT in uptrends they should be disregarded!
nds are only valid in downtrends or after we have seen weakness and market has already turned.

good luck shorting nds in uptrends, you need deep pockets. it all needs to fit together....signs have to be in the right place. its not just seeing a little bit of volume or No volume and then open a trade. its about unfolding markets.
  • #3,459
  • Sep 24, 2009 12:12pm Sep 24, 2009 12:12pm
Rockk - is this answer good ?

Thanks DR.G.

Best,
Tom

Quoting Dr.Geppynius
ND comes everywhere...BUT in uptrends they should be disregarded!
nds are only valid in downtrends or after we have seen weakness and market has already turned.

good luck shorting nds in uptrends, you need deep pockets. it all needs to fit together....signs have to be in the right place. its not just seeing a little bit of volume or No volume and then open a trade. its about unfolding markets.
  • #3,460
  • Sep 24, 2009 12:41pm Sep 24, 2009 12:41pm
Quoting tfflyer
Rockk, no problem, if HG will say that its not true what i am saying - No problem, i am here to learn

I am saying:

ND comes after we have seen weakness (or lack of demand) in the background.

p.s.
i am sure, others can also tell their comments on that




Best,
Tom
Sounds gd to me Tom. True ND follows weakness - either a downtrend already in progress or some sort of climactic action at the end of an uptrend. I usually then wait for signs of the trend changing - lower highs etc. This is the arctic climate that our ND polar bear wll have the greatest chance of thriving in

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