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  • #421
  • Sep 6, 2009 6:52pm Sep 6, 2009 6:52pm
Quoting billbss
I'll have some feedback for you a little later.
The data seems to shift horizontally as you pull the charts back to look at the past.
I'll take a screenshot to show you what I mean when I get the time.

Yeah, it will go up and down like that. I know it's not ideal for viewing, but I had to change the way luxinterior's indicator worked so that the lines and arrows would be in the right place relative to the indicator line. He originally coded it to work one screen at a time (it drew everything relative to the high and low of the current screen). I changed this so that everything is relative to the high and low of all candles available.

I'll try to come up with a better approach, but I'll have to do some brainstorming.
  • #422
  • Sep 6, 2009 6:54pm Sep 6, 2009 6:54pm
Quoting billbss
Here's what I was talking about.

All the peaks and valleys appear to be one bar out of sync.
That is not characteristic of these pairs.
The farther back you look the more pronounced it is.

That will only effect backtesting. The current screen appears to be ok.
Ah, I see what you mean. I'll take a look and post a fix as soon as I can.
  • #423
  • Sep 6, 2009 6:54pm Sep 6, 2009 6:54pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
Yeah, it will go up and down like that. I know it's not ideal for viewing, but I had to change the way luxinterior's indicator worked so that the lines and arrows would be in the right place relative to the indicator line. He originally coded it to work one screen at a time (it drew everything relative to the high and low of the current screen). I changed this so that everything is relative to the high and low of all candles available.

I'll try to come up with a better approach, but I'll have to do some brainstorming.
Not up and down- One of the lines has shifted to the right, so the peaks ans valleys are not coincident..
The up and down doesn't bother me.
  • #424
  • Sep 6, 2009 6:56pm Sep 6, 2009 6:56pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
I'm sorry you're having difficulty. This isn't the final version, but I wanted to get something out so people could start taking a look at historical data. The only other thing I can think of which may cause problems is if you set the historical candles to a value larger than the number of candles available for either pair. Currently it only checks the pair which the chart is for to make sure there are enough historical candles.

Is the indicator working?

Do you see any errors in the Expert output log? A zero divide will stop an EA in its...

I appreciate your concern!! I have been watching football all day. Will try again tonight. Thanks
  • #425
  • Sep 6, 2009 7:01pm Sep 6, 2009 7:01pm
Quoting billbss
Not up and down- One of the lines has shifted to the right, so the peaks ans valleys are not coincident..
The up and down doesn't bother me.

I'm getting different results, but I'll still look into it since you are clearly experiencing an problem. I'll let you know what I find
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  • #426
  • Sep 6, 2009 7:11pm Sep 6, 2009 7:11pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
I'm getting different results, but I'll still look into it since you are clearly experiencing an problem. I'll let you know what I find
It could be that my data on one of the pairs is corrupted.
If there was a bar missing, it might cause that.
  • #427
  • Sep 6, 2009 8:17pm Sep 6, 2009 8:17pm
ok working but only on mini cant get it to work on standard account no matter what i do?? but that is ok ill just practice on mini account
  • #428
  • Sep 7, 2009 4:15am Sep 7, 2009 4:15am
Hello Lucid,
The Overlay indicator is not working for me too. The overlayed pair is appearing way atop the chart and cannot be seen. The previous Overlay indicator posted here by bill (OverlayChartLine) is displaying fine, but your indicator is not.

I would appreciate your help in solving the issue.

Regards
  • #429
  • Sep 7, 2009 10:54am Sep 7, 2009 10:54am
Quoting bravester
Hello Lucid,
The Overlay indicator is not working for me too. The overlayed pair is appearing way atop the chart and cannot be seen. The previous Overlay indicator posted here by bill (OverlayChartLine) is displaying fine, but your indicator is not.

I would appreciate your help in solving the issue.

Regards
I've throughly explained this behavior. The previous indicator was by luxinterior and is much better to use for pure visual analysis. I had to modify the indicator to move around like that. It is very important that the two prices remain consitently relative throughout the chart.

NOTE: I have just noticed a bug with the Overlay indicator when it is running forward. When redrawn (open properties and hit OK w/out changing anything) it redraws differently. The is affecting the EA as it uses the indicator. I believe I have corrected the issue, and am currently running the indicator through a few months in the backtester to verify. I'll have it posted shortly.
  • #430
  • Edited 11:39am Sep 7, 2009 11:16am | Edited 11:39am
Updated Overlay Indicator!

This release resolves a bug which will affect whether the EA spots divergence in real time and not just historically. If you are using the EA please download this latest revision of the indicator.

I appologize if anyone missed the EURUSD USDCHF trade an hour and a half ago.

Edit: It's looking like there is still and issue when running forward. I guess this is what I get trying to use someone elses code without taking the time to fully understand it. I'll get it figured out and be back with a solution once I'm positive it's good to go.
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  • #431
  • Sep 7, 2009 11:27am Sep 7, 2009 11:27am
Quoting bravester
Hello Lucid,
The Overlay indicator is not working for me too. The overlayed pair is appearing way atop the chart and cannot be seen. The previous Overlay indicator posted here by bill (OverlayChartLine) is displaying fine, but your indicator is not.

I would appreciate your help in solving the issue.

Regards
I guess I didn't really help with a solution in my earlier post. What I do in this situation is to grab the right side of the chart with my mouse and drag up or down to re-scale the chart. I'm afraid this is the only way to mitigate the necessary behavior.

Hope that helps.
  • #432
  • Sep 7, 2009 2:35pm Sep 7, 2009 2:35pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
I guess I didn't really help with a solution in my earlier post. What I do in this situation is to grab the right side of the chart with my mouse and drag up or down to re-scale the chart. I'm afraid this is the only way to mitigate the necessary behavior.

Hope that helps.

Thanks bud , i guess i figured it out now. I was trying to run it on a Standard account while this seems to work only on a mini. cool, will follow along now.
  • #433
  • Sep 7, 2009 4:13pm Sep 7, 2009 4:13pm
Quoting bravester
Thanks bud , i guess i figured it out now. I was trying to run it on a Standard account while this seems to work only on a mini. cool, will follow along now.
It works fine on both my mini and standard accounts, but you have type in the correct SubSymbol for both the indicator and the EA (it should be the same as the text in the top left of the chart.
  • #434
  • Sep 7, 2009 4:27pm Sep 7, 2009 4:27pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
It works fine on both my mini and standard accounts, but you have type in the correct SubSymbol for both the indicator and the EA (it should be the same as the text in the top left of the chart.


Yeah made extra sure to use all correct symbols still only work in standard. Will download mt4 again and see if that helps
  • #435
  • Sep 7, 2009 4:35pm Sep 7, 2009 4:35pm
Does anyone with programming knowledge have any advice on getting this indicator to draw the same way in real-time as it does for historical candles. It's been over a year since I wrote an indicator (I usally just draw straight from the EA), and I could swear I've fought with this issue and figured it out before. I've been digging around the internet and have found people experiencing the same issue, but have yet to find a solution. There seems to be some confusion about just how exactly the IndicatorCounted() function performs. Even when I try to re-process the last few candles (not ideal) it still draws differently historcally than in real time.

I'll try to dig through my old stuff and see if I can find something I wrote which will answer my questions, but I've got MT4 installations from 5 or 6 different brokers and I've written so much stuff it may take a while.

Thanks.
  • #436
  • Sep 7, 2009 5:57pm Sep 7, 2009 5:57pm
Quoting billbss
It could be that my data on one of the pairs is corrupted.
If there was a bar missing, it might cause that.

Hi Bill,
I believe I've solved this one. This happened to me as well and then I noticed I didn't have a USDCHF window open for the same timeframe (I had one open, but for a lower timeframe). Once the EURUSD chart moved to the next candle and I then refreshed the Overlay indicator I noticed the shift. After I corrected the timeframe on the USDCHF chart (I also did a right click "Refresh", but I'm not sure that was necessary) and then refreshed the indicator again everything shifted back to normal. It seems it's very important to keep that window open for the SubSymbol and keep it on the right timeframe at all times. Let me know if you think this does not correlate with what you experienced.

Thanks.

To All,
Still working on the real-time vs historical data indicator issue, but I think I've got a solution. I'm not posting anything else until I'm absolutely sure.

Stay tuned.
  • #437
  • Sep 7, 2009 6:59pm Sep 7, 2009 6:59pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
Hi Bill,
I believe I've solved this one. This happened to me as well and then I noticed I didn't have a USDCHF window open for the same timeframe (I had one open, but for a lower timeframe). Once the EURUSD chart moved to the next candle and I then refreshed the Overlay indicator I noticed the shift. After I corrected the timeframe on the USDCHF chart (I also did a right click "Refresh", but I'm not sure that was necessary) and then refreshed the indicator again everything shifted back to normal. It seems it's very important to keep that window...
Lucid,
It doesn't work for me.

I appear to be missing about 2 bars the first hour on the second pair. Another bar drops out about every day, on average. This is on a 15M chart.

The data itself for that pair (USDCHF) is complete when placed on its own chart.

In other words, the overlay pair misses bars of data which causes the divergences to not align with the first pair.- this is even though the missing data is present when the pair is placed on its own chart.

The same thing is happening with luxinterior's overlay indicator.

Thanks again for all your help.
  • #438
  • Sep 7, 2009 7:09pm Sep 7, 2009 7:09pm
Quoting billbss
Lucid,
It doesn't work for me.

I appear to be missing about 2 bars the first hour on the second pair. Another bar drops out about every day, on average. This is on a 15M chart.

The data itself for that pair (USDCHF) is complete when placed on its own chart.

In other words, the overlay pair misses bars of data which causes the divergences to not align with the first pair.- this is even though the missing data is present when the pair is placed on its own chart.

The same thing is happening with luxinterior's overlay indicator.

Thanks again...
Thanks for the feedback. This related to the same thing I'm dealing with regarding the indicator displaying differently in real-time than historically. Basically this is due to the fact that when a new bar opens for one pair, the other may or may not have gotten the next bar yet. The candles are stored in an array (programming term) and the current candle is always index 0 of this array. Luxinterior and I have both been assuming that the arrays for the two pair will coencide by index; however this is not necessarily the case. I'm adding logic to check the time stamp of each candle for both pairs to make sure the code is comparing apples to apples.

After I've verified this thouroughly (may be a couple days) I'll get a fix out, but I don't want to clutter the thread with releases, so I'm going to test for at least a day first.
  • #439
  • Sep 9, 2009 8:47pm Sep 9, 2009 8:47pm
Hi Bill,
I've got a quick question. Is the example on the right below considered divergence? The mirrored USDCHF made a new low (though there was a lower low about 25 candles back, but for the purpose of my question, please ignore this fact) while EURUSD did not; however, EURUSD did not even make a new valley. Is this considered divergence?

Also, on the left you'll see what looks to be divergence, but valleys involve two candles and the second peaks also involve two candles. Is this considered divergence.

Thanks.
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  • #440
  • Sep 9, 2009 8:56pm Sep 9, 2009 8:56pm
Quoting LucidObscuri
Hi Bill,
I've got a quick question. Is the example on the right below considered divergence? The mirrored USDCHF made a new low (though there was a lower low about 25 candles back, but for the purpose of my question, please ignore this fact) while EURUSD did not; however, EURUSD did not even make a new valley. Is this considered divergence?

Also, on the left you'll see what looks to be divergence, but valleys involve two candles and the second peaks also involve two candles. Is this considered divergence.

Thanks.
I might trade them, but.....
they do not qualify as divergences per the rules given in this thread.
I looked the entire chart over and I didn't see any trade set ups- no divergences.
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