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  • Aug 28, 2009 11:53am Aug 28, 2009 11:53am
  •  girdle66
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: Member | 110 Posts
Quoting harar
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Which charts do you recommend to use for this system. I have been using over lay chart indicator but I am not very happy with it
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I also use DailyFX. I change the Settings to show 300 30-min bars. But that's arbitrary, seems to work well.
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 1:22pm Aug 28, 2009 1:22pm
  •  Ashish_Ampl
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Hi Dreamliner,

I just opened this thread for the first time. The first line says that you are not using this on live accounts not as stated in Post 470.

But I also saw your comments later on after that post. Are you still using the setup suggested in post 1.

The reason I ask this question is that if post 1 is still correct then i will read the thread from start else i will read the thread from post 470 onwards.

Thanks
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 1:26pm Aug 28, 2009 1:26pm
  •  Dreamliner
  • Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 2,271 Posts
Quoting Ashish_Ampl
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Hi Dreamliner,

I just opened this thread for the first time. The first line says that you are not using this on live accounts not as stated in Post 470.

But I also saw your comments later on after that post. Are you still using the setup suggested in post 1.

The reason I ask this question is that if post 1 is still correct then i will read the thread from start else i will read the thread from post 470 onwards.

Thanks
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Hi Ashish, I am indeed using this method, and made nearly 70% just this week with it.

The reason I posted not to use it live is because this system is a "no-loss" system, at least the way I have described it (others obviously may trade it differently) and because of that there is no "exit" described, per se. The exit is "when in profit" so there is a risk of losing your account if trading it as I teach in the first post.

Basically, I want to discourage newbies from jumping into a live account because they see "no loss", without knowing the risks and using good judgment on their trades.
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 2:13pm Aug 28, 2009 2:13pm
  •  girdle66
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: Member | 110 Posts
Quoting Dreamliner
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Hi Ashish, I am indeed using this method, and made nearly 70% just this week with it.

The reason I posted not to use it live is because this system is a "no-loss" system, at least the way I have described it (others obviously may trade it differently) and because of that there is no "exit" described, per se. The exit is "when in profit" so there is a risk of losing your account if trading it as I teach in the first post.

Basically, I want to discourage newbies from jumping into a live account because they see "no loss", without knowing...
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Would it be possible for you to post all of your trades next week? I've done well, but you're doing better!
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 2:23pm Aug 28, 2009 2:23pm
  •  Dreamliner
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Quoting girdle66
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Would it be possible for you to post all of your trades next week? I've done well, but you're doing better!
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I will sure try to.
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 3:24pm Aug 28, 2009 3:24pm
  •  lcfxtrader
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2007 | 460 Posts
Here some data to look over if you guys are interested. It takes the 5M close from the GBPUSD and subtracts it from EURUSD. The graph shows the delta range over the last 600+ 5M candles. It would seem that an entry could be made long with both pairs when the value is < .1900 and short when > .2000 and close when in profit. Just a thought...
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File Type: xls EURUSDFXF5.xls   676 KB | 707 downloads
 
 
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  • Aug 28, 2009 3:37pm Aug 28, 2009 3:37pm
  •  Dreamliner
  • Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 2,271 Posts
Quoting lcfxtrader
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Here some data to look over if you guys are interested. It takes the 5M close from the GBPUSD and subtracts it from EURUSD. The graph shows the delta range over the last 600+ 5M candles. It would seem that an entry could be made long with both pairs when the value is < .1900 and short when > .2000 and close when in profit. Just a thought...
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Wow, that is unbelievable; how do you math whiz's do stuff like this with Excel? Great job!

Now, to make this practical, so we don't have to do the subtraction in our heads, or manually, is there a way to see at any given time what the number is?

By the way, this Excel sheet validates this method of trading, showing the probability to be very high when going long at less than 1900 and short at greater than 2000.

Any chance of making this up for USD/JPY and EUR/JPY?

Thanks again for this helpful Excel sheet!
 
 
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  • Aug 29, 2009 2:50am Aug 29, 2009 2:50am
  •  lcfxtrader
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2007 | 460 Posts
Here you go DL... 30M close EURJPY vs. USDJPY on ~ 2000 data points.
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File Type: xls EURJPYFXF30 vs. USDJPYFXF30.xls   350 KB | 586 downloads
 
 
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  • Aug 29, 2009 8:46am Aug 29, 2009 8:46am
  •  Dreamliner
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Here you go DL... 30M close EURJPY vs. USDJPY on ~ 2000 data points.
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Thanks lcfxtrader, this is perfect. My only question now is, how can we determine these numbers in real time, without having to do the calculations manually?
 
 
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  • Aug 29, 2009 9:51am Aug 29, 2009 9:51am
  •  lcfxtrader
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2007 | 460 Posts
Perhaps a coder here on FF can create an indicator that would do the same calculations specific to the trader's time frame. MT4 also has DDE for excel, however, I have never used it.
 
 
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  • Aug 29, 2009 9:54pm Aug 29, 2009 9:54pm
  •  Dreamliner
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Any coder here able to make an indicator that corresponds with the Excel information?
 
 
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  • Aug 29, 2009 10:23pm Aug 29, 2009 10:23pm
  •  finally
  • | Joined Aug 2009 | Status: Member | 155 Posts
Quoting Dreamliner
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Do not trade this method live, until you have read the entire thread.

Greetings,

Several on here are posting hedging strategies, so I thought I would post one I have been trading for about a week. It has all been positive because I do not use stop losses. I am posting this here because people are usually able to pick holes in the strategy and show where it would fail, and I want to know this before I keep trading it. Here it is:

1. Go do dailyfx.com and click on "charts" and "live charts" and open up a EUR/USD.
2....
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I tried this idea.
I got killed.
It's a SPREAD- not an arbitage!
The spread can either get bigger or smaller.
There is NO way of knowing.
It's just gambling.
 
 
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  • Aug 30, 2009 2:54am Aug 30, 2009 2:54am
  •  redart007
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 296 Posts
Ahem... however you want to dress it up trading=gambling so you,ve failed at this method and will try others no doubt...

You can chart spreads like any other instrument to get a feel of how it moves, nobody knows for sure how any pair or index moves or we'd all be millionares...Doh!

Quoting finally
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I tried this idea.
I got killed.
It's a SPREAD- not an arbitage!
The spread can either get bigger or smaller.
There is NO way of knowing.
It's just gambling.
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  • Aug 30, 2009 5:17am Aug 30, 2009 5:17am
  •  redart007
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 296 Posts
Hi,

Thats great - Can explain how you export the data into excel?

thanks

Red

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Here you go DL... 30M close EURJPY vs. USDJPY on ~ 2000 data points.
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  • Aug 30, 2009 7:49am Aug 30, 2009 7:49am
  •  jtmoore007
  • | Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Member | 792 Posts
Quoting redart007
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Hi,

Thats great - Can explain how you export the data into excel?

thanks

Red
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Go to tool>. History center. Click on pair u want then double click time frame u want. Once times come up there will b an option to export. Click this and it will export numbers to excel. If u r compairing two pairs b very careful. Sometimes history is more complete for some pairs and less for others. Just make sure your times match as u compare numbers
 
 
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  • Aug 30, 2009 9:16am Aug 30, 2009 9:16am
  •  weekapaugh
  • | Joined Aug 2007 | Status: Member | 41 Posts
I have yet to export data for two pairs and have all the times match perfectly. Its tedious but you have to go through it and match everything up and delete missing times.
 
 
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  • Aug 30, 2009 3:02pm Aug 30, 2009 3:02pm
  •  Dreamliner
  • Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 2,271 Posts
Quoting redart007
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Ahem... however you want to dress it up trading=gambling so you,ve failed at this method and will try others no doubt...

You can chart spreads like any other instrument to get a feel of how it moves, nobody knows for sure how any pair or index moves or we'd all be millionares...Doh!
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The following is addressed to junior member "Finally":

Everything you have said above applies to every trading methodology ever made.

However, this is a trading forum, so if all you want to do is speak negatively about trading, why not make your own thread and call it "I can't make trading work, it's gambling, and we should not be doing it"?
 
 
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  • Aug 31, 2009 1:55am Aug 31, 2009 1:55am
  •  T.E.Lawrence
  • | Joined Jan 2009 | Status: Member | 3,071 Posts
Quoting Dreamliner
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Why are you closing at a loss? Why not hold on until a profit? To each his own I guess, but I don't close until in profit. It's up to you.

It takes experience to know how much of a gap is a good entry. After awhile you can just spot it by eyeballing it. Like yesterday, that was the biggest split I have ever seen, it happened within an hour, and there was just no way to lose on that one.
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So like jeffreytp, you don't close a trade even when pairs cross each other, right? You wait with closing untill you see some profit, correct?
 
 
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  • Aug 31, 2009 2:02am Aug 31, 2009 2:02am
  •  T.E.Lawrence
  • | Joined Jan 2009 | Status: Member | 3,071 Posts
Quoting Dreamliner
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T.E. Lawrence, are you still doing the 1 minute scalping with this system? If so, how is it going?
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Well, it's too much of a hassle. 30min tf is very profitable and you're not glued to the screen. With 1min you have to watch a trade almost constantly. Besides there is crazy repainting on 1min tf, even in FXCM Marketscope, so after a while you see a totaly different chart - hard to average something you lost a sight of. I think 30 min is great. There are so many correlated pairs to trade with this strategy, that you don't have look in smaller tf's for trade opportunities.
 
 
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  • Aug 31, 2009 7:10pm Aug 31, 2009 7:10pm
  •  jtmoore007
  • | Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Member | 792 Posts
a few scripts for easy trading. these should work will all standard lots. to change to mini just go to editor and put m behind each symbol.

the scripts are for the following pairs

Eur/Usd and Gbp/Usd
Usd/Jpy and Gbp/Jpy
Gbp/Usd and Gbp/Chf
Usd/Jpy and Eur/Jpy
Usd/Jpy and Eur/Chf

put scripts in expers>scripts folder, restart mt4, click on navigator, then "+" beside scripts. this will drop down all the scripts. when you see the one you want just double click it. it will then bring up screen either input screen - set to default 0.1 lots or it will bring up common tab screen. make sure to click allow live trading. maybe these will help. now you don't have to click on 2 different screens and make the trade. just bring up what ever you want to trade and both trades will be executed at extacly same time
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File Type: mq4 1BUYeurusdSELLgbpusd.mq4   1 KB | 596 downloads
File Type: mq4 1SELLeurusdBUYgbpusd.mq4   1 KB | 517 downloads
File Type: mq4 2BUYusdjpySELLgbpjpy.mq4   1 KB | 462 downloads
File Type: mq4 2SELLusdjpyBUYgbpjpy.mq4   1 KB | 459 downloads
File Type: mq4 3BUYgbpchfSELLgbpusd.mq4   1 KB | 460 downloads
File Type: mq4 3SELLgbpchfBUYgbpusd.mq4   1 KB | 454 downloads
 
 
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