C4 Scalping

Racer,

Post a few chart shots of trade that you have taken and we can have a look and offer some advice maybe?

If you need to know how to post a chart PM me and i will help

Cheers
Waddij

I agree too. And I think it's a great pitty what happens now. This doesn't match to my understanding of FAIRNESS.

Please let Twee decide what he wants to do. Only to argue with badwords and insults doesn't give any sense - that is kindergarten at it's best.

I'm not a guardian or defender - I'm just a trader who wants to learn how to trade and not how to use Words with a lot of ***.

Please give a little respect to people without cooking adrenaline.

Thanks.

If FF finds all to be well enough to continue, so be it. If not, that too is fine. As with everyone else, only investment here is time.

Regardless, you see the same jerks coming here now that came to that thread before screaming and yelling. The fact remains, no scam can be proven if none ever existed.

For everyones sake, will remove all vouchers while I can though. I do understand that particular position. Is it not comical some who are allowed to go unchecked by FF though.

Regards.

Hello Edge,

Did you use the other username that people have mentioned?
If so, why change usernames?

Regards,
Jeff

Hi rgontar,

Sorry...
No, I don´t really "reset" my Demo after training.
Yes, I open new Demo accounts !

good luck

If things are so bad, a good question also would be why was the thread was reactivated at all if it was run by scammers to begin with?

You have to ask FF that one. They sure as hell do not seem inclined to reactivate a thread and put it in the commercial section with scamming alluded to all over it. I doubt Twee and others operate like bureaucrats. They actually read and review something before letting it be provided to the FF membership wouldn't you think?

You know, FF wants to maintain solid credibility here also.

If the "person" who "allegedly" lost the money that others entrusted him with had immediately admitted that he was, in fact, that person, I would have no problem. If the person had admitted that his trading of these funds went south, I would understand. This doesn't anser the obvious question as to how a trader with such allged success in trading, and who trades full time, would lose money. But, I would still understand.
If this "person" hadn't changed screen names, or readily admitted that he goes under more than one screen name and stated the reason(s) for that, I would understand. If this "person" hadn't been cute, using third party language in an apparent attempt to obscure the fact that he was in fact the very person he was talking about, I would understand.
However, these ommissions and half truths cast a cloud over anything else that is said.
If many people are having success on real trading accounts using this system, more power to ya. Apparently, a person who trades full time lost a substantial amount of money that others entruted him with, so it makes one step back and wonder just how great this system is for that "person" to lose other people's funds. It makes one wonder if, when trading REAL money, this "person" also loses it, just as those who trade demo accounts lose money when they switch to the real thing.
There have been many times that some have pointed out trades that would have lost under the same rules. Strangely and curiously, the only trades actually entered are only those where the trades would have won. The ones that lose 25 to a gain of 5 are never taken.
Anyway, everyone else continue on.

So you are Expat aka Keith Brown after all?

Not necessary to remove mine Edge, you have been more than helpful.
As for the rest of you in the "Crew" please refrain from feeding the animals and just stick to trading. I love that some think that there is some kind of organized crew here, what an insult! I have been living this system night and day since its inception as many others.
Now that we have all been saved from ourselves by all the wonderful people that have invaded our thread...don't be provoked, don't respond to moronic postings baiting you to jump on the scammer band wagon. I will not be provoked and will respond to trading Nitro only. Scalping is not for everyone especially beginners!
If you have been with this thread, you know that it is not a scam so do not be alienated about recent developments.
Crew Chief
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That is a load of crap and you know it.

A simpleton could have taken the time to read the other thread and see that nobody was scammed.

Do not throw blame when you simply did not do the work. You have already mentioned your deductive reasoning allowed you to allegedly figure out names long ago. That was never a real issue.

The alleged criminal activity is the crux of the matter. What did you ascertain on THAT!

Care to spew forward anything substantial on that aspect? Am giving you way too much credit for the past and am simply asking you to actually proof something up here.

As with every single person connected directly or indirectly, you cannot. So, unless you can prove me wrong in this, it is nothing more than another lousy opinion.

Edge,
You have admitted to managing an account for some FF members. If you charged for this service this, I believe this is enough to brake the FF rules regardless who solicited who. However, that is for Twee to decide.

I would like to know; Why would you offer to manage an account?
You are a successful trader are you not, so you would not do it for the money, would you?
Given the risk to your reputation and the time and stress involved you would not do it for free, would you?

Something does not add up, care to explain?

Regards,
John.

Well, you are angry and perhaps rightly so.
The criminal allegations are probably incorrect, and to be unjustly called a criminal would make anyone angry.

However (I have read through some of your recent posts) and you spoke very carefully about "that person", and "a person with a somewhat similar name" never once did you admit (until Twee outed you)....yes...that person was YOU, and yes you did lose some peoples money

Losing in trading is part of trading.

You posted a Nitro excel spread sheet showing how you had 2 months of 100% wins
Is that the truth?
It would be great if it was.....but if you are not truthful about some things, how can anyone know if you are truthful about others

Although you are not here to gain my respect and I am not here to gain yours.....If you would admit....."yeah.....a bunch of people asked me to trade for them....and I screwed it up and lost 15% or 20% of their money" I would have a lot more respect for you as a person

However you have painted yourself as this highly successful trader, living in the Cayman Islands, who never loses more than 4%....and who knows what the truth is.

Anyways......there is some analogy about those who live in glass houses should not throw stones, that somehow seems like it would fit here.

I would love to know if the Nitro thing is really true...and I will likely lurk on the thread to see how they are doing.

Hello Edge,

I understand that I have not seen any proof of scamming yet, and also think your systems C4/Nitro were viable.

But the misery is that you still have not denounced the acusers that you are Expat or that you are NOT Expat ?.

Lohad already publicly refused to concede that he was Expat since Artove has been insisting that he was.

Ah, maybe it is the use of the word 'system' that is confusing. I think that 'strategy' is more appropriate.

I want to use a strategy that has a better risk reward ratio.

I know that the 25 pip SL is not set in stone but if you make it smaller you will be stopped out often. By your reckoning we should trade with no SL at all. You will always make 5pips then, it would just be a matter of time, right?

Are you actually trading the NITRO or C4 system as prescribed?

Regards,
John.

......7,8,9,10. Take a deep breath...

... and if I can trust my privat investigations, his real Indentity is "TOM" !
Oh yes, exactly this nasty cat !!! Brutally hunting an innocent little yellow victim called "Tweety" during the whole Day !!!
I saw this horror on TV... Full 16 colors !!! Every shocking detail !!!

Yes, he real name is Tom !!! This is my steady conviction!

And please, don´t bother me with facts !!!

Edge

Before all this Keith crap came along you had a plan, that was the teach traders the mental aspect of trading and had a system that you believed in and were VERY generous with your time and patience to show and help to core members how to do such.

I appreciate that this version of Nitro that we are all talking about was created entirely here in this thread after a sneak peak at your own trading method.

Recently you alluded to a next step that you would be taking us on......

While I think i have made my position clear with regards to having faith in the law and believing that if something criminal took place than that would have been dealt with etc. this is not that place. The "Owners" of FF can pick and chose whoever they wish and allow whoever they wish to be members or not.

With that said there are some of us that would love to see you remain and show us what the next step is.

Originally this week was going to be that week. While you are still able (and i hope you will continue to be) I would appreciate it if you could point us in the direction you were going to go, a sneak peak at Chernobyl

Would be very much appreciated.

Hang in there, I'm sure it will all work out in the end.

Thanks
Waddij

I was a member of the group the Keith Brown (Edgetrader) stole from. Here in a nutshell is what happened and it can all be documented with emails.

A group of ten of us contributed between 5000 and 10000 dollars apiece to a trading account to be managed by Keith at Oanda. Keith did attempt to trade this account and never had one winning day. He lost 20% of the account within a month. Lucky for us Oanda has rules against the manager withdrawing funds. When it became apparent to Keith that he could not withdraw our funds he suggested we move our account to IBFX. At that time some of the members gave up and took what was left of their account and left. Six of us gave in to Keith and contributed 3000 dollars apiece to an IBFX account under his name. After a month of very minor all losing trading that saw that the account down about 5% Keith withdrew all the funds and said he was changing to a Tradestation account without the members permission. When he was confronted about this here is an exerpt from his email reply:


Hi,

Have been busy of late and have heard all the pissing and moaning, especially from one in particular.

First off, you all were well aware of the potential risk of funds involved in this type of endeavor. It was and still is 100%. That will never change. This is not a situation that some of you may be used to, that being throwing a few bucks into a mutual fund and watching it potentially grow for 20 years or so.

My deal here is nothing more than to find the best way possible to trade the Forex market profitably and you in return would reap the benefit of such efforts. In addition, each of you are going to be given a trading methodology that will allow you to trade as you deem appropriate in the future. That is still intact and will also remain so into the future. Even those who do not wish to trade are still going to be given a trading vehicle that will serve well should they decide it appropriate for them at some other time.

We have been at this approx. 2 months full steam ahead. In that time, you have seen some 5-6% of account equity be used while we jockyed around indi's and the like. In that same period, many of those involved in 401k's and other such investment vehicles diminish in value from 20-50% or more. As such, you are in far better shape so the constant bitching about this particular venture will need to cease here.

I should be, and will be, allowed adequate time to develope this venture to its ultimate level of productivity. Unfortunately, that may be a bit beyond the 2 month timetable some of you expected. In the meantime, you can continue to trade whatever else your search leads you to. Jocko's material, CD's or whomever is your choice is irrelevant to me. However, you all came into this for the long run and expectations that it would serve you well far into all of your futures. As such, here is a brief synopsis of current events for the past couple of weeks and what is GOING to happen in the future.

1) I did take a little time off before the holiday and feel no guilt in doing so.

2) During the past week, I did initiate and complete a deal with Tradestation Brokerage in order to better allow this venture to succeed. This is all about information and brokerage capabilities. While IBFX is a very good brokerage and funds are still intact with them, Tradestation is by far the leader in the industry with regards to execution, information and testing of methodologies. I suggest you go review their website for a better understanding of those capabilities and how they can enhance what we all are looking to achieve here. As this venture concluse, you will most likely utilize them as your broker in the future should you decide to continue and actually trade the Forex as an income producing vehicle. All the demo trading a penny trading will soon cease unless you simply cannot come to grips with your trading demons. Have already told you how to overcome those money and fears demons, its up to you to proceed to do so.

3) It may take up to 5 months (less the 2 already passed) to achieve my personal goal of doubling account value. Sorry, that is just the way things go as there are no guarantees in time performance with this venture. However, I do understand most, if not all of you, are anxious to see results. So, here is the plan from here on out.

4) Simply put, I will continue to trade and press forward with the Tradestation initiative also. At the end of the 5th month (February), ALL FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE LIQUIDATED AND DISPERSED!!!
If, at any time preceeding the end of the 5th month, the funds have managed to grow to 100% of initial value, then trading will immediately cease and dispersement will commence at that time.
Further, should trading be found to be at a loss of 50% of initial value at any time, trading will cease and liquidation will occur at that time.

5) Statements have been found to be a complete waste of time in this venture. While daily recaps are fine for you sitting at home, they serve no purpose to me in this matter. This is easy material, the funds either double in value or loses 50% of value in 5 months time. Your risk is 50% in order to make 100%. Either way, as a Forex vehicle it operates with good perameters.
However, I will aquiese to your request here and provide monthly statements on this venture so you have a visual of its progress. These will commence at the end of December as the Tradestation deal will be in force and capable of producing such report well before such time.

6) It is my call alone on how, when, where and what I trade. Further, upon completion of this venture (again no later than the end of February), you will all be given a complete detailed description and analysis of the methodology and indi's used in the final version. If this venture is profitable, and you have all seen the initial potential it has, then you would be well served to start trading this on your own at any brokerage you wish. The goal was to provide a good foundation and method for you to trade profitably and that will be accomplished at this time.





We never heard from him again after this email and we all tried numerous times to contact him and find out where our guaranteed 50% account value was. Of course it was in his bank account.

Edgetrader (Keith), where is our money?

Respectfully, I will decline to disclose anything further in this thread.

Should FF allow me to continue, anything further will be disclosed only in a new thread, if at all.

There are far better uses of time than this as you well know. No matter what is given here, it is never going to be enough.

There are actually people out in the world who are driven to make themselves better. Only a relative few are here.

I already have my records of who seemed eager and who did not. It is very easy to ascertain those who are from those who aint.

Regards.

I hate to say this but do you think the 'next step' could be the sting?

This is how a scam works is it not. The promise of great riches, a simple plan, a convincer and a sneak preview of something more etc. Keep as many people on the hook as you can and then BOOM!

Just a thought.

Trade it and find out. Jumping from thread to thread is a waste of your time. Nothing here costs you anything. So, make a decision and act. Otherwise, you will simply search blindly the rest of your life and end up with nothing.

Better to have tried and lost than to have always wondered what if.