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  • #7,601
  • Aug 23, 2009 3:45pm Aug 23, 2009 3:45pm
Quoting cjd
Wow I just had to make some comments here. There were alot of people who followed the thread that Edge is talking about in post 7590 and could not make it work. In fact NOBODY could make it work! He posted fake trades. Yes Edge it was simple, but it did not work so I would not talk down to the hundreds that tried. You have no idea how much time people spent on learning a lie. Be careful when passing judgement. I think people were upset not because he lost their money but because they found out that he was LYING about his trades. So some wanted to...
Good God! The mindless whiners are coming out of the woodwork!
Quick, hit the IGNORE Button...
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  • #7,602
  • Aug 23, 2009 3:47pm Aug 23, 2009 3:47pm
Quoting cjd
Wow...
Maybe you should spend your time moving forward and stop trying to dig up worthless info. Do you have anything positive to move this thread forward or are you still looking for reasons to fail. Have you met my little friend Iggy? Let me introduce you...
The Only Constant Is Change!
  • #7,603
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:02pm Aug 23, 2009 4:02pm
Quoting studbiol
When the new thread starts I beg all that fighting-cocks:


Please let’s have Attachment peace !!!

Yes, this is a free forum.
Yes, everyone can post here.
Yes, we all are different and have different opinions.

Please let’s stop fighting – let’s trade!
Please let’s stop hurting – let’s improve our trading results!
[font=Verdana]Please...
Hi Stu,

you´re damn right, ma´am! But pleeeease... don´t apologize for remembering the FF rules!!!

Frauleute...
  • #7,604
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:12pm Aug 23, 2009 4:12pm
The way I see it is,

There are 2 kinds of people in the world.

The 1st is the type that can take system that should work and make it the way that will work for them (responsible).

The second is the type that has to be spoon fed their entire life (the term I think used was "Welfare Babies", I like the term MOOCHES). If you can't do a little testing and experimenting, go find a managed account somewhere & good luck to you.

I think it is clear to see who is who.
I trade what I see on my charts. Do Not listen to the Muppets.
  • #7,605
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:13pm Aug 23, 2009 4:13pm
Quoting 4xtrader2
Good God! The mindless whiners are coming out of the woodwork!
Quick, hit the IGNORE Button...
Just did, works !!!
  • #7,606
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:18pm Aug 23, 2009 4:18pm
I dont understand why grown up Men behave like kids. If you dont like something just go to the next thread. In this forum there are tons of methods that traders can use.

why the negativity?


Grow Up guys and Stop Behaving like kids
  • #7,607
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:22pm Aug 23, 2009 4:22pm
Quoting Vanhook2
All of this is just too funny...I need a new Iggy Button

Here ya go...with pleasure
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  • #7,608
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:39pm Aug 23, 2009 4:39pm
I haven't bothered reading much but Edge's posts and a few others on this thread for quite some time now. So, I'm not really sure what's going on with all the negativity, or all the posts and I don't really even know who's involved in it all.

STILL, I DO know the "why" of it. It's all about emotions and whose driving your life. If a person uses emotions ONLY to express themselves, they are usually more "in control" and more successful in what they do.

If on the other hand, the emotions are in control, driving your life, then everything is taken personally. Everything becomes a threat, everything is harder and the person is a LOT more failure oriented. It's part of the "victim mentality."

SO,, Grown men act in negative ways, and attacked when merely questioned because they are living out of fear. AND, it shows in their trading usually. The ones who act that way usually are not very mature and have extremely negative outlooks.

Just my $0.02 worth. Not meaning to add fuel to the fire, but if there is a really nasty response to this, point proven. I have NO idea who is being talked about as being negative and NO idea what the piss and vitriol is all about, just expressing the reasons this sort of stuff happens.

It's sort of like what happened with the Tudor Girl S***. Someone with an agenda, based on fear had to co-opt Edge's strategy for their own purposes. May have even given some good input, but still it was out of "fear" of being found out to be who they really are and possibly what their agenda really was.

Then another person reacted violently and was put on ignore by a great many people here. Whether right or wrong, the person put on ignore was also acting out of emotions and earned a place forever on the Iggy list of many.

Most likely the Iggy list is the only option to eliminate this sort of crap. If Edge puts then on Iggy, they won't even be able to post here. If they come back under another name,,, Iggy will deal with that as well and eventually they will be found out and banned by Twee.

SO,,, ignore and select to read ONLY the posts of those you respect here as having value. No need to read all the posts, just the ones that matter.


God bless,
Clay
  • #7,609
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:42pm Aug 23, 2009 4:42pm
By the way Edge, stop defending yourself or this thread. You have already proven both your knowledge, skill and value, as well as this thread and methodology's functionality and value.

Just ignore them.,,,, not worh the effort really and it only adds fuel to their fire and agenda.

God bless,
Clay
  • #7,610
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:43pm Aug 23, 2009 4:43pm
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Quoting Edgetrader
As I have a few personal business items that need attention, the Nitro thread will be delayed a week. The date on page one has been changed to reflect such.
Until then a little renko music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Enjoy
I really enjoy it. Thank you !!!
  • #7,611
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:49pm Aug 23, 2009 4:49pm
Quoting SusanD
Hi: Sometimes, in the last few days. I have wondered if this might the signal most interesting and successful blog to come along in all my years of reading on this site.

I think maybe all the negativatity and even the success going on here is causing a lot of anxiety and threatening a lot of issues in people, good and bad.

Just human nature and responses.

More success and more' almost made it 'emotions.

More' Hope' with people, and disappointment, then I have ever seen.

Lot of interesting personalities.

That being said, I look forward...
It is the 75% psychological aspects of trading that lead to so much of these issues. Many followers of FF have apparently been a bit careless in the past and have suffered some type of loss with regards to trading. It happens of course.

We see everyday those who demo trade a week or two, think they have the ability to move on and press immediately forward into live trading. That is a recipe for failure and all who trade to any extent know this.

Many of these people trade with funds needed in day to day living, which provides them with some real anger and resentment issues when they run head first into that impending failure. A public forum where they got that free information is the perfect breeding ground to come back to a vent their hostilities.

No matter, nobody here should be trading at any monetary level causing discomfort at this time. If you are, that is your own doing so you need to live with that.

One of the best services available today is a trading psychologist. While a bit pricey for many, it would help immensely with several issues contained within the 75% mental aspects of trading. As with a good professional sports psychologist, there are some inherent issues revolving around money that many need to address when they have both the means and desire to do so.

Reading trading books is a good start on the mind preparation needed. However, as always, as you begin to grow and hopefully meet with some success in trading initially, it is not a bad idea to seek out those who can further help you control those demons present every day as your trading efforts grow.

My material only deals with those wanting to trade modestly to earn a moderate living. When you get to large lot trades (+6 and above imo) then you will really have need to go out and get those better tools I speak of in order to do the job at hand.

Am obliged to respond to my own critics and will follow through as much as possible to ensure as many of you as possible have the tools needed to not become one of them.

Regards.
  • #7,612
  • Aug 23, 2009 4:52pm Aug 23, 2009 4:52pm
Quoting eclayf
By the way Edge, stop defending yourself or this thread. You have already proven both your knowledge, skill and value, as well as this thread and methodology's functionality and value.

Just ignore them.,,,, not worh the effort really and it only adds fuel to their fire and agenda.

God bless,
Clay
ARRRAAGGHHHH!

Am fighting my demons Clay.

Am working through it. Six weeks down, only two to go.

Regards.
  • #7,613
  • Aug 23, 2009 5:10pm Aug 23, 2009 5:10pm
Quoting TheFutureAce
I dont understand why grown up Men behave like kids. If you dont like something just go to the next thread. In this forum there are tons of methods that traders can use.

why the negativity?


Grow Up guys and Stop Behaving like kids
Yeeeeeeeees !!
  • #7,614
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:00pm Aug 23, 2009 6:00pm
Quoting TheFutureAce
I dont understand why grown up Men behave like kids. If you dont like something just go to the next thread. In this forum there are tons of methods that traders can use.

why the negativity?


Grow Up guys and Stop Behaving like kids
HI TheFutureAce:

I agree with you.
If you only trade long, then you can't always be wrong.
  • #7,615
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:03pm Aug 23, 2009 6:03pm
Quoting Edgetrader
So, how about we just move forward with our respective efforts in relative peace and harmony. I have restored any posting privileges to those whom I deem party to this posting as both an olive branch and a professional courtesy. If such action has also been taken against myself, I will await some manner of third party word as to intent.
Thank you, Edgetrader.
If you only trade long, then you can't always be wrong.
  • #7,616
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:06pm Aug 23, 2009 6:06pm
Quoting ap2009
A poor week on C4 with Nitro pairs for me.

Reviewing my mistakes this week, I believe the main issue I have is 'seeing' when the momentum is flowing, when it is not flowing and taking timely action.
...

I know momentum can only be determined by looking at the price chart. To date I haven't been able to do that too well. If any of the 4 traders above could add anything further to help me read / anticipate price momentum better, that would be most welcome.

.... but probably after cracking this momentum issue at hand. One step at a time....
When I was in college a professor told the story of a student who wanted to major in Biology. When the student came to his advisor, who was a prominent Biology professor at the university, the professor listened to the student expound on why he wanted to major in Biology. After several minutes, he stopped the student, and took him into the Biology lab, sat him at a desk, and placed a dead fish on the desk in front of him. He said, "I'll be back in an hour to see what you can tell me about the fish". Promptly the professor left the student to himself.

The student was kind of shocked and looked at this smelly dead fish in front of him. He fidgeted, day dreamed, looked around the lab and out the window at the activity. Before long the hour was up and the professor returned. "So, what can you tell me about the fish?" asked the professor. The student kind of shrugged and said "it's a smelly dead fish." The professor said to him "If you want to be a Biology major, you're going to have to do better than that. I'll give you another hour." And with that he left the student alone again. Well the student decided to weigh and measure the fish, and wrote down some details about its appearance. The hour seemed to go by slowly but eventually the professor returned. "So, what can you tell me about the fish?" asked the professor. The student, more confident this time, began reciting all of the observations from his notes but quickly ran out of things to say. The professor again said to him "If you want to be a Biology major, you're going to have to do better than that. I'll give you one more hour." And with that he left the student alone again. Exasperated, the student began thinking. He picked up the fish, and began examining it from head to tail. He began writing down his observations and the more he examined the fish, the more interesting things he saw. The hour seemed like only a couple of minutes and the Professor returned. This time when asked he began talking about the fish and his observations. He went on for a half-hour describing what he observed about the fish before the professor abruptly stopped him. The student fearing the professor, looked perplexed. The professor smiled and said "Now you can become a Biology major".

Moral of the story: "Unless you are willing to put in the time and effort to observe what is right in front of you, you will not become what you desire."

When it comes to price action, it has to be observed during different times of the day, during different trading sessions (Asian, European, and American) over a long enough period of time to become proficient in identifying its characteristics. The eyes must see and the brain must register enough price activity over a long enough period of time for you to begin to form associations that point to pending price moves. This comes from experience and as such a person has to sit and stay focused on the charts and observe it until they understand it. Boring as hell! But, if you can stand to sit and stay focused, you will begin to see how price action works. Watch it long enough and you will be able to make reasonable predictions of price direction and action. That was an awful long way to say "sit and watch it until you understand it because I have no magic bullet for you." No indicator can take the place of your observations; they can only enhance what you have come to know.
4XTrader2
  • #7,617
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:08pm Aug 23, 2009 6:08pm
Hi all,

trading starts and I would like to share an idea with you. Although I know less is more a was a little bit playing with indicators.

On the attached picture you can see two charts of USDJPY. The left one shows a 3pip-brick renko chart, the right one shows a 10pip-brick renko chart. On both charts you see a Ichimoku-cloud with the settings Cobraforex uses on his thread (THV system, final edition). The second indicator is a hull-indicator set to 36; 2.0

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I was looking a at these chart for the last hours. Like THV I thought I could buy when PA is above the cloud and sell when PA is below the cloud (This is a very simplified presentation- excuse me Cobra). The hull-indicator could give a little more security if you take only trades in direction of the hull.

The 3-brick reacts obviously faster than the 10-brick PA. That could show good entry/exit signals when 3-brick is used as filter.

What do you think?

Regards

If there are pips you can collect - just do it!
  • #7,618
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:15pm Aug 23, 2009 6:15pm
Quoting 4xtrader2
When I was in college a professor told the story of a student who wanted to major in Biology. When the student came to his advisor, who was a prominent Biology professor at the university, the professor listened to the student expound on why he wanted to major in Biology. After several minutes, he stopped the student, and took him into the Biology lab, sat him at a desk, and placed a dead fish on the desk in front of him. He said, "I'll be back in an hour to see what you can tell me about the fish". Promptly the professor left the student to himself....
Good Lord Man!

We have simply got to amend that 'perpetual student' line.

A very good posting indeed. Directly to point.

Very in-line with repetitive trading efforts commensed after isolating the best trading time.

Regards.
  • #7,619
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:18pm Aug 23, 2009 6:18pm
Quoting studbiol
Hi all,

trading starts and I would like to share an idea with you. Although I know less is more a was a little bit playing with indicators.

On the attached picture you can see two charts of USDJPY. The left one shows a 3pip-brick renko chart, the right one shows a 10pip-brick renko chart. On both charts you see a Ichimoku-cloud with the settings Cobraforex uses on his thread (THV system, final edition). The second indicator is a hull-indicator set to 36; 2.0

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I was looking a at these chart for the last hours. Like...
Sorry to sound unimpressed. It looks like a glorified MA crossover. I could do the same thing with moving averages on a 1 minute and 5 minute chart.
4XTrader2
  • #7,620
  • Aug 23, 2009 6:23pm Aug 23, 2009 6:23pm
Quoting studbiol
Hi all,

trading starts and I would like to share an idea with you. Although I know less is more a was a little bit playing with indicators.

On the attached picture you can see two charts of USDJPY. The left one shows a 3pip-brick renko chart, the right one shows a 10pip-brick renko chart. On both charts you see a Ichimoku-cloud with the settings Cobraforex uses on his thread (THV system, final edition). The second indicator is a hull-indicator set to 36; 2.0

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I was looking a at these chart for the last hours. Like...
Don't take this the wrong way but I think that we have already been through the indy search. If all of those indies work for you great, however they are just more confirmation tools and we have already been there. My absolute honest opinion is why are you looking elsewhere? Everything you need is already here, all you need is to get on the same page as the rest of us, and with our current set up I think that we are just about to make a break through.
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