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  • #221
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:05am Aug 15, 2009 6:05am
Quoting coscorp
fair enough - criticism can be healthy - however from my direct experience you're barking up the wrong tree regarding Jacko (and J16)


One page is all you need...? a bit thin IMHO..but if that rocks your boat...if nothing else it helps others evaluate with better discernment where such opinions are coming from - which I think is only fair - both to the reader and the individual object of such an opinion. It also puts many more questions in my mind about the vouching system here on FF...



Support usually come to those who deserve it -...

"One page is all you need...? a bit thin IMHO" - One page was ample, in fact reading beyond the first couple of posts was unnecessary, but then I'm not in the market for a training course so there was little point in going into it further. If I pick up a book about geography and on the first page the author says he thinks the world is flat then I don't usually bother reading any further

"Support usually come to those who deserve it" - You need to consider the source of that support before deciding whether it's justified or not. People support all sorts of weird and wonderful causes, sometimes out of pure ignorance.

I think we're covering old ground which has already been covered before in this thread, many times, is there anything new or specific which you would like to discuss?
  • #222
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:24am Aug 15, 2009 6:24am
Quoting LasVahGoose

I'll say a prayer for you because you need help. Good luck in your life.
Thanks

The reality of trading is that an alleged 95% lose their money, it's an inescapable fact. I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble or offends you but that's the reality of it, would you rather I tell everyone how great trading is and how much money they can make and to carry on regardless of the fact they're losing?

My posts are intended to provoke thought and to get people to seriously consider their options before they donate more of their money to brokers. Why do they think they can succeed where so many others fail? What have they got which makes them any different than the rest of the people trying hard to make it, but failing? Do they really think they have what it takes, and why? Those are questions they should be asking themselves, and answering honestly.

I give credit where it is due and support where it is justified, but I also speak a few home truths which often makes people like yourself uncomfortable.

Is there anything specific I've said which you would like to discuss?
  • #223
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:27am Aug 15, 2009 6:27am
one question...in what % would you place yourself? I presume you do trade live.
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #224
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:32am Aug 15, 2009 6:32am
Quoting pipmutt
"One page is all you need...? a bit thin IMHO" - One page was ample, in fact reading beyond the first couple of posts was unnecessary, but then I'm not in the market for a training course so there was little point in going into it further. If I pick up a book about geography and on the first page the author says he thinks the world is flat then I don't usually bother reading any further

"Support usually come to those who deserve it" - You need to consider the source of that support before...
Well then we would have to delve into the advantages/disadvantages of trend trading - ok - but I believe there are threads out there that have dissected this issue in more ways than one.

I think FF has quite a few knowledgable individuals that contribute to it... Of course, you are fully entitled to believe you are knowledgable and everyone else on FF isn't.....which would include the FF admins which gave Jacko and J16 the preferred partner status....it's a free world after all....
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #225
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:37am Aug 15, 2009 6:37am
Quoting coscorp
I think FF has quite a few knowledgable individuals that contribute to it... Of course, you are fully entitled to believe you are knowledgable and everyone else on FF isn't.....it's a free world after all....
In fairness Coscorp, i don't think that is PipMutt's assertion at all.
  • #226
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:41am Aug 15, 2009 6:41am
Quoting coscorp
Of course, you are fully entitled to believe you are knowledgable and everyone else on FF isn't.....it's a free world after all....
Hmmm, I can't remember ever saying or even suggesting that, in fact quite the contrary. There are several people here who I think are knowledgeable and experienced, but like the failure stats I think the vast majority aren't, is there a correlation maybe?

In reply to your question 'what % would you place yourself', does it matter?

What's up coscorp, tank running dry?
  • #227
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:42am Aug 15, 2009 6:42am
Aston - from reading this sentence -

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You need to consider the source of that support before deciding whether it's justified or not. People support all sorts of weird and wonderful causes, sometimes out of pure ignorance.
and connecting the dots (for me at least) I would have to differ. We are after talking about Jacko and the public support he has recieved time and again.

I will concede however that I should add..."everyone else who supports Jacko (and J16) are not."
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #228
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:47am Aug 15, 2009 6:47am
Quoting pipmutt
Hmmm, I can't remember ever saying or even suggesting that, in fact quite the contrary. There are several people here who I think are knowledgeable and experienced, but like the failure stats I think the vast majority aren't, is there a correlation maybe?

In reply to your question 'what % would you place yourself', does it matter?

What's up coscorp, tank running dry?

We all know what the stats are - and I would tend to agree on their validity.

if it may help understand better from where we are recieving such pearls of wisdom - excuse me - opinions - then I think it could - yes - but again thats just me.

LOL!
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #229
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:53am Aug 15, 2009 6:53am
Quoting coscorp
...We are after talking about Jacko and the public support he has recieved time and again.
Yes we are, apparantly, but i think there is a wider and more interesting debate to be had regarding mentors, however i think we're now in an ever decreasing circle centred on Wayne Jackson.

I am deeply suspicious of 'mentors' as a generalisation and wouldn't trust them as far as i could...well...you get the idea

However, i do believe Jacko and J16 are cut from a slightly different cloth than the majority of FX vendors. Ultimatley, if you are getting value from your experience with either of them, then that is all that matters. Trading is a very personal business and there are many ways to skin a cat etc.
  • #230
  • Aug 15, 2009 6:59am Aug 15, 2009 6:59am
Quoting AstonDan
Yes we are, apparantly, but i think there is a wider and more interesting debate to be had regarding mentors, however i think we're now in an ever decreasing circle centred on Wayne Jackson.

I am deeply suspicious of 'mentors' as a generalisation and wouldn't trust them as far as i could...well...you get the idea

However, i do believe Jacko and J16 are cut from a slightly different cloth than the majority of FX vendors. Ultimatley, if you are getting value from your experience with either of them, then that is all that matters. Trading is a...
The voice of reason and logic, that's the way to do it folks
  • #231
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:00am Aug 15, 2009 7:00am
Quoting coscorp
We all know what the stats are - and I would tend to agree on their validity.

if it may help understand better from where we are recieving such pearls of wisdom - excuse me - opinions - then I think it could - yes - but again thats just me.

LOL!
You've unwittingly made a very good point! (How about that for recognition and being supportive goose, twice in two consecutive posts, one more and it's a trend )

Evaluate the content, don't be influenced by the unsubstantiated claims people make. One of the benefits of having debates is they provoke thought, so think for yourself, research, question, don't take everything as gospel!

The statistic I fit into doesn't matter, I could tell you anything
  • #232
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:07am Aug 15, 2009 7:07am
Quoting pipmutt
You've unwittingly made a very good point! (How about that for recognition and being supportive goose, twice in two consecutive posts, one more and it's a trend )
Well classic TA would say the third test of the trend line is confirmation
  • #233
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:08am Aug 15, 2009 7:08am
Quoting AstonDan
Well classic TA would say the third test of the trend line is confirmation
lol, in that case I think we may see a breakout any minute now
  • #234
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:11am Aug 15, 2009 7:11am
Quoting pipmutt
Thanks
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The reality of trading is that an alleged 95% lose their money, it's an inescapable fact. I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble or offends you but that's the reality of it, would you rather I tell everyone how great trading is and how much money they can make and to carry on regardless of the fact they're losing?

Here we go with the strawman you created. Another distortion.

There is a difference between telling a person the statistics and that trading is very hard business vs. what you do, tell a person to quit because they'll never make it. People like you get off on that, any hope you can shatter gives you pleasure. You go out of your way to try and make people find failure vs. success. Anything you can do to destroy, is in your nature.

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My posts are intended to provoke thought and to get people to seriously consider their options before they donate more of their money to brokers.

No, you like to pretend that is what you are doing. There is a big difference between giving someone the facts and reality of trading vs. trying to destroy a person, which is what you do. You want to see people fail.

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I give credit where it is due and support where it is justified, but I also speak a few home truths which often makes people like yourself uncomfortable.

You could never make me uncomfortable, as much as you'd like to try, I see your true nature. You twist, distort, and lie. You give no credit or support. None that I've seen from any of your posts.

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Is there anything specific I've said which you would like to discuss?
No, you twist, distort, evade, and lie. There can never be a discussion with you. All you can do is destroy everything in your path.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #235
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:19am Aug 15, 2009 7:19am
Quoting LasVahGoose

There is a difference between telling a person the statistics and that trading is very hard business vs. what you do, tell a person to quit because they'll never make it.
You're not big on psychology then, obviously, that's a bit of a drawback in trading
  • #236
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:25am Aug 15, 2009 7:25am
Quoting pipmutt
You've unwittingly made a very good point! (How about that for recognition and being supportive goose, twice in two consecutive posts, one more and it's a trend )
Goose? is that meant to be derogatory in some way?

Quoting pipmutt
Evaluate the content, don't be influenced by the unsubstantiated claims people make. One of the benefits of having debates is they provoke thought, so think for yourself, research, question, don't take everything as gospel!
Precisely - I couldn't have said it better myself BUT this must also apply to those - like you - offering opinions substantiated solely (according to yourself) by reading 1 page of a thread and having no direct contact with the person about whom you are offering said opinion.

Quoting pipmutt
The statistic I fit into doesn't matter, I could tell you anything
True - but it would be help to further understand what kind of person you are - don't worry - I won't ask for proof if you say you're a millionaire trader. More power to you.
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #237
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:25am Aug 15, 2009 7:25am
Quoting pipmutt
You're not big on psychology then, obviously, that's a bit of a drawback in trading
This coming from an ego maniac.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #238
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:30am Aug 15, 2009 7:30am
Quoting AstonDan
Yes we are, apparantly, but i think there is a wider and more interesting debate to be had regarding mentors, however i think we're now in an ever decreasing circle centred on Wayne Jackson.

I am deeply suspicious of 'mentors' as a generalisation and wouldn't trust them as far as i could...well...you get the idea
I agree 100% - I do however try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt regarding their bonafide until I have tangible proof to the contrary.

Quoting AstonDan
However, i do believe Jacko and J16 are cut from a slightly different cloth than the majority of FX vendors. Ultimatley, if you are getting value from your experience with either of them, then that is all that matters. Trading is a very personal business and there are many ways to skin a cat etc.
How true.
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • #239
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:30am Aug 15, 2009 7:30am
Quoting coscorp
Goose? is that meant to be derogatory in some way?
It refers to an earlier comment by LasVahGoose, Coscorp. I don't think PM was being derogatory toward you.
  • #240
  • Aug 15, 2009 7:31am Aug 15, 2009 7:31am
Quoting AstonDan
It refers to an earlier comment by LasVahGoose, Coscorp.
Thanks - I'm getting old LOL.
Nihil inimicus quam sibi ipse Marcus Tullius Cicero
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