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  • #4,201
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:32pm Jul 31, 2009 3:32pm
Quoting tommyd
I would hope you will demo this for a bit before you throw real money at it.

I think you need to trade with real money .. so does Edge .. but not too much money! If you can open an account with $5k, blow it all and top it up again without blinking .. well, OK. Otherwise start with the amount that you COULD replace (several times if necessary) without a second thought.
But there needs to be real money on the line. I can make $10k turn into $200k in my demo accts with most of my brain tied behind my back...

(yeah, the non-english speakers might not get that.... sorry )
******************* I'd rather make money than be right.
  • #4,202
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:34pm Jul 31, 2009 3:34pm
Quoting swl46
Why can't the TudorGirl sycophants... blah, blah, blah....
Another one for the IGNORE list!

I suggest everyone start using that option .. frequently!!
******************* I'd rather make money than be right.
  • #4,203
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:37pm Jul 31, 2009 3:37pm
I think I'll let everyone else experiment with this particular indicator. I had it loaded, and the last line kept going up and down like somebody bending their arm from their elbow, touching the top, and then the center. When others figure out how to use it, let me know!

Quoting 4xStar
Now there's a clever girl ... I will try that this weekend, I love over-laying indicators LOL!

Have a good weekend to all (including the 10+ on my ignore list
  • #4,204
  • Edited 4:01pm Jul 31, 2009 3:37pm | Edited 4:01pm
Quoting swl46
Why can't the TudorGirl sycophants realise that every thing she has given either repaints, is useless or has been rewitten from somebody else. She refusese to give any clue to her trading methods, but is quite happy to give trading results of 100%.
When somebody who a month ago said that she could not trade, now shows trading results of 73.7% in 48 hours, i tend to get suspicious.
trading results are easy to make up, plus she or he is not prepared to share their set-up, so why bother to post so called results.
Plus, i am suprised that Edgetrader...
Plus, I'm surprised people feel the need to try and discredit someone on a forum .

They say those who can, do, those who can't, teach, and I guess those who can't do or teach try and make others as miserable as themselves.

Dang this thread has been the single biggest catalyst for the massive growth explosion in my ignore list!

Oh yeah, to be a total jerk, you misspelled a few words. Hard to take someone serious when they can't even bother to use the spell check button before insulting someone over the internet.

I swear this is my last reply, this is a waste of time now.

EDIT, appears my level of jerkiness is going to get higher. You misused the word sycophant. It actually describes what you have been doing, bringing baseless claims against someone without proof, using this new user name and the several others you must have. Are you running back and forth between home and the office on your discredit crusade so you can have different IP's for different user names?
  • #4,205
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:39pm Jul 31, 2009 3:39pm
Quoting hoichoi
Hi TudorGirl..
thats fine if you don't share EA.. but atleast tell us the strategy or the rules of the system you are using .. so that we can make some profit too..
thanks
You still don't get it, do you??? Try constantly pull (10 pips + spread)
without stop loss. Like every trade always goes your way and not only
that, - it's going not 3-5 pips, but always 10, as guy said, here already
it's either photoshop or Corel Draw , It's just impossibly to have 100 trades and 1 loss,
hellllloooo.- wake up. SwingMan, is dah, man.. And TG has Phd.. in
entertainment and good skills in Photoshop, - 74% profit in 48 hours my A..s
Viewer Discretion Advised: Shall we shag now or should we shag later? :-)
  • #4,206
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:39pm Jul 31, 2009 3:39pm
Quoting pilotui
And advice...I'll spend this weekend tweeking!

Cheers

Darren
Here is another thought for you which just occurred to me. Realistically this C4 Strategy is really nothing more than a Moving Average Crossover Strategy with a TRIX indicator to confirm your entries. If you are watching the price cross the moving average and the TRIX is confirming, then you have your entry signal. You don't necessarily need much more than that.

However it helps to make sure you can see what is happening in a timely manner. Since I am not the brightest bulb in the string, I have to discipline myself to sit and watch the charts. Initially I had 4 currency pairs displayed but dropped it to two and then to one until I was satisfied that I could see and evaluate the signals correctly and in a timely manner. After I was able to do that then I began adding in currency pairs one at a time and trading for a couple days to make sure I am not missing signals or trying to anticipate too much.

I also started a grading system for my trades to evaluate myself against my trades. Here is my grading system:
· Executing the trade on one signal = 1 point
· Executing a trade on more than one signal = 1 point
· Using a Profit Stop = 1 point
· Using a Stop Loss = 1 point
· If the trade was profitable = 1 point
· If the trade hit its profit target = 1 point
Each Trade can then garner a maximum of 7 points. However, I would expect most trades if done correctly to garner 6 points because a second signal is usually not simultaneous. Therefore if I made 20 trades each averaging 6 points my total score would be 120 out of a possible 140 points or a total of 85%. This is a rudimentary way to test to see if you are following the rules.

Good luck with your tweeking and evaluation.
4XTrader2
  • #4,207
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:42pm Jul 31, 2009 3:42pm
Quoting 4xStar
I think you need to trade with real money .. so does Edge .. but not too much money! If you can open an account with $5k, blow it all and top it up again without blinking .. well, OK. Otherwise start with the amount that you COULD replace (several times if necessary) without a second thought.
But there needs to be real money on the line. I can make $10k turn into $200k in my demo accts with most of my brain tied behind my back...

(yeah, the non-english speakers might not get that.... sorry )

I can totally agree with everything you said here.
I was mentally lazy in my reply..


TGIF!
  • #4,208
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:47pm Jul 31, 2009 3:47pm
All,

Just a quick note before I sign off for those die-hard C4 traders who PM'd me about using TG-SSC on ordinary (non-Renko charts). It is not great but it can be quite useful on certain pairs and TFs.

Actually, when I wrote the first version of the indy, it wasn't quite as capable but was written for ordinary candles. You can see the earlier version at the website one of the "ignore list candidates" kindly posted earlier today...

http://143.53.36.235:8080/ph.htm

(Hmmm.. took a while to find that link as they are all on ignore)

The guys at SWS still use something like this it would seem from the webpage. Apparently this is the indy I "stole" from them. But at least they acknowledge me as the author at the bottom...

Anne
  • #4,209
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:47pm Jul 31, 2009 3:47pm
[quote=Mombone;2921103]
Quoting 4xtrader2
Hi Darren,
I know how you feel. I did an analysis of my trades today and it seemed to be a study in how to enter trades too late to make profits. I was religiously following the signals and entering when the signal bar closed.
However, it made me look carefully at my setups and after doing some tweaking, I think my indicators are now a bit more responsive when you look at where trade entries would now occur.


Like the looks of your 1 min charts. Can't wait till Monday to try. Looks like several easy pips can be had on...
Mombone,
I don't use the 1 minute charts for trading. I do however evaluate my entries against it to see if I am coming in late. I don't know if a person could successfully trade a 1 minute chart. If you look and compare the 5 minute to the 1 minute charts you will see that some of my trades could have had much better entries (by several minutes and pips).

Also refer to my posts #3891, #3941, and #4235 for additional info on stops.
I do use stops religously. I am trying 5 pips TP and ATR on SL.

Happy Trading
4XTrader2
  • #4,210
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:53pm Jul 31, 2009 3:53pm
Quoting swl46
Why can't the TudorGirl sycophants realise that every thing she has given either repaints, is useless or has been rewitten from somebody else. She refusese to give any clue to her trading methods, but is quite happy to give trading results of 100%.
When somebody who a month ago said that she could not trade, now shows trading results of 73.7% in 48 hours, i tend to get suspicious.
trading results are easy to make up, plus she or he is not prepared to share their set-up, so why bother to post so called results.
Plus, i am suprised that Edgetrader...
Yeah, you have a point. To find the answer, you only have to see the reactions of people on the Trend Magic thread where the same kind of things were posted ( different indicators, tho') and many falling over themselves to be made part of her "private forum" in the hope of belonging to the "inner circle" and getting the then so called EA.
Human behaviour doesn't change much. Respect to Paulus who refused to be drawn to elitist private groups, preferring to give back through an open forum from which, as he said, he'd learnt so much from. Rather, he kept posting any developments he'd come across, much in the spirit also of Swingman ( almost everybody here is using his indicators), who is also happy to provide you with his source codes if you pm him, in generous spirit, without boasts of any kind. So many others share their work on this thread such as Gleneagles (see, I didn't forget), DX and others, but human psychology dictates that we must chase somebody who won't!
Haven't heard from Paulus, (if he's reading this) hope he is OK.
Regards
  • #4,211
  • Jul 31, 2009 3:57pm Jul 31, 2009 3:57pm
Quoting 4xStar
Another one for the IGNORE list!

I suggest everyone start using that option .. frequently!!
I'm sorry you wish to put me on you ignore list. I will not put you on my ignore list because I am open minded and would like to hear your input
  • #4,212
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:09pm Jul 31, 2009 4:09pm
with support & resistance.

Notice how the price acts @ these levels.
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I trade what I see on my charts. Do Not listen to the Muppets.
  • #4,213
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:19pm Jul 31, 2009 4:19pm
All,

As from Monday I will be focussed on really trading my system for all it's worth, so I will not be taking an active part in the thread. Those that I want to hear from have my private email and I have theirs.

I will reserve the right to login occasionally to perhaps post the occasional "stolen" indy or a "photoshopped" set of results, mainly to encourage the genuine seekers, but also to wind up the morons. A little harmless fun I hope you won't begrudge me .

369 posts - a good number to end on... An unusually smooth number..

I sincerely wish you all the trading success in the world and happiness in life. It's been fun.

Anne
  • #4,214
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:29pm Jul 31, 2009 4:29pm
Quoting Mindsphere
Just had a play with this - the momentum indicators don't seem to stay put. They jump around a lot. Hmm, also, wouldn't they be incorrectly calculating velocity & acc as the time would be based on the change in bar number as opposed to actual time elapsed? i.e. The indicator would be designed for use in normal MT4 charts which are fixed time periods as opposed to renko which is not.
Good point. Not a techy, but surely if the you're looking at momentum and velocity where a key factor is time as a basis of measurement, then why would you need Renko bars at all. You're simply measuring rate of change over time, and the rate of that rate!
Pardy
  • #4,215
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:32pm Jul 31, 2009 4:32pm
Quoting TudorGirl
All,

As from Monday I will be focussed on really trading my system for all it's worth, so I will not be taking an active part in the thread. Those that I want to hear from have my private email and I have theirs.

I will reserve the right to login occasionally to perhaps post the occasional "stolen" indy or a "photoshopped" set of results, mainly to encourage the genuine seekers, but also to wind up the morons. A little harmless fun I hope you won't begrudge me .

369 posts - a good number to end on... An unusually...
Finally the truth emerges as she can't back up her BS.

So the 100% trader girl finally has to move to avoid the fact that she can't back up her 100% success rate.

I mean please anyone that trades in the real world knows what a crock this statement is!!!

its time for you to stop tricking people and move on!!

Go and find some other mugs to trick and massage your pathetic ego!
  • #4,216
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:42pm Jul 31, 2009 4:42pm
Thank you for your input. I am surprised you stayed as long as you did.

Good luck to you as well.
  • #4,217
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:44pm Jul 31, 2009 4:44pm
Quoting lawrence
Finally the truth emerges as she can't back up her BS.

So the 100% trader girl finally has to move to avoid the fact that she can't back up her 100% success rate.

I mean please anyone that trades in the real world knows what a crock this statement is!!!

its time for you to stop tricking people and move on!!

Go and find some other mugs to trick and massage your pathetic ego!
She has provided some help here and I thank her for that. If she is really doing that well more power to her, I hope to achieve that someday. But when I make 35% a day, give me $100 and in a year Warren Buffett is cooking my meals.
  • #4,218
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:48pm Jul 31, 2009 4:48pm
The answer to this is likely obvious, but can't seem to see it.

Could someone explain why the value of the momentum indicator differs depending on whether it is alone in a window, or occupies the same window as the sine?

Thanks.
  • #4,219
  • Jul 31, 2009 4:54pm Jul 31, 2009 4:54pm
Many thanks Tudor Girl, Edge and Swing Man for all you effort in this fantastic thread.
  • #4,220
  • Jul 31, 2009 5:07pm Jul 31, 2009 5:07pm
Could you please PM me your email? I forgot to send you mine on the PM.

Thanks

Quoting TudorGirl
All,

As from Monday I will be focussed on really trading my system for all it's worth, so I will not be taking an active part in the thread. Those that I want to hear from have my private email and I have theirs.

I will reserve the right to login occasionally to perhaps post the occasional "stolen" indy or a "photoshopped" set of results, mainly to encourage the genuine seekers, but also to wind up the morons. A little harmless fun I hope you won't begrudge me .

369 posts - a good number to end on... An unusually...
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