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  • #101
  • Jun 13, 2009 6:25pm Jun 13, 2009 6:25pm
Quoting cobraforex
You and some other Rookies may find all this funny, for me it's absolutely stupid (starting with the secretary stuff).

The ladies will not come back to this hitch hiked thread as they are more disciplinated and intelligent than some of the FF members which filled 7 pages full of sh$t.

BTW: Discipline is one of the most important requierements for trading in general and that is what most losers don't have
Hi Cobraforex,

Although i agree in principle with what you are saying, i don't really agree with the way you have said it. I don't speak for all the men who have contributed to this thread but am sure you'll find a few of us are successful at trading and have been trading for a while with very good discipline.

Initially i thought some of the comments here were a little off but i saw the fun side of things and can totally understand you seeing the other side of things too.

I will now unsubscribe from this thread and watch from a distance.

Wishing all you women the very best.

Z
  • #102
  • Jun 13, 2009 6:41pm Jun 13, 2009 6:41pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Your not winning this one mate
Well if Tunera would like to send over his newly acquired blonde secretary to undertake a 45-hour working week and run a household i.e. do the washing, ironing, vacuuming, dusting, pay the bills, do the grocery shopping, cook meals, wash the dishes and meet the demands of two children (one aged 3 and the other my partner) and leave me to fully concentrate on the market, I think I could give you boys (and I mean boys) a run for your money

But this thread wasn’t (originally) about a competition and what sex is better than the other at trading. Kelly was sending out feelers to see if there were any female traders hanging around FF and, judging by some of the comments on this thread, it’s no wonder there aren’t many high-flying women traders. Risk, or no risk, who would want to work with this kind of mentality?

Oh, and we trade with scented candles ...
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #103
  • Jun 13, 2009 6:58pm Jun 13, 2009 6:58pm
Quoting Patience
Well if Tunera would like to send over his newly acquired blonde secretary to undertake a 45-hour working week and run a household i.e. do the washing, ironing, vacuuming, dusting, pay the bills, do the grocery shopping, cook meals, wash the dishes and meet the demands of two children (one aged 3 and the other my partner) and leave me to fully concentrate on the market, I think I could give you boys (and I mean boys) a run for your money

But this thread wasn’t (originally) about a competition and what sex is better than the other at trading....
Please note that the only thing I have said Is that men are more competative, I have not given any other reasons why either sex would be better traders in my opinion.

All ive done is highlight the fact that there are many more men In the Industry, and this is obviously for a reason. If a woman had a track record that proved she was a better trader than a man, then she would get the institutional job. I know for a fact that sex would be the last thing on my mind If it came to employing a trader, its all about who could make me the most profit with the least risk.

Im just repeating myself now, lol.

Who are you anyway? A hoby trader? Or have you done this for a living for a couple of years?

Id appreciate it if anyone who has a problem with the kind of person they think I am to go back and read all my serious posts In this thread. I beleive I have been very grounded and made some valid points.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #104
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:00pm Jun 13, 2009 7:00pm
Quoting Patience
judging by some of the comments on this thread, it’s no wonder there aren’t many high-flying women traders. Risk, or no risk, who would want to work with this kind of mentality?
Good news is that we don't have to
(and you won't find any wings at floor level...)
  • #105
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:04pm Jun 13, 2009 7:04pm
Lol, Ive just realized what Im trying to do.... win an arguement with some women. Silly me, Ill leave, and im sorry for wasting mine and all your time.

Leon
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #106
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:16pm Jun 13, 2009 7:16pm
Leon, at age 21, it's apparent that you don't yet know what it is that you don't know about the industry and why the trading floors are dominated by men, or for that matter, why women are actively disciminated against in the trading jungle. It's the one place where the boys club is still in full flight (just ask the legion of Wall St. women who were first to be sacked when market fell off the cliff last year, well documented in numerous places).

You might also wish to find a capacity to debate the issues without injecting a juvenile gender bias, in which case, the women traders here would be happy to take you seriously (unless of course, you have to leave because Mom is calling you ).
  • #107
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:40pm Jun 13, 2009 7:40pm
Woman aren't better trades compared to men, but very few woman actually trade, the 1's that do do generally trade better than men.

The Profitable % of woman is likely very similar to that of profitable men over the total population.

Lets face it woman generally have zero interest in trading so there wise enough to stay out of the game, the few that have a interest kick it's arse!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #108
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:49pm Jun 13, 2009 7:49pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Who are you anyway? A hoby trader? Or have you done this for a living for a couple of years?
Yeah, I'm a wannabe hobby trader ... 5 years on ... been through the wringer and back ... made all the classic newbie mistakes (and still do sometimes) .... but my account is healthy. I don't have a lot of choice at the moment.

Quoting doblece
Good news is that we don't have to
(and you won't find any wings at floor level...)
Well, unfortunately, I do as I work for my partner's business in the construction industry and they're pretty bad as well

Quoting Jade Gate
(unless of course, you have to leave because Mom is calling you ).
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #109
  • Edited Jun 14, 2009 5:34pm Jun 13, 2009 7:53pm | Edited Jun 14, 2009 5:34pm
All you girls remember me when you set sail!! Please!

Seriously Leon, it sounds like the premise of your case is a simple "if, then" equation.

What that doesn't take into account is what they (women) commonly refer to as a "glass ceiling". Just cuz you can't see it don't mean it's not there. Catch the light just right tho and you can...

The "light just right" in this case would be any set of circumstances that biased a decision towards a man instead of an equally and in some cases even more qualified woman.

Our daughter has run into that repeatedly. During one job she held with a wealth management group some years ago, she spoke at a convention of Financial Trust lawyers on lawsuit settlements awarded by the State to special needs clients who had been abused in foster care, one of her fields of expertise. Following her speaking session, she got into a semi public argument with a big name lawyer over a particular point that he was wrong about and she was right about and that he initiated.

Not caring that it would be more politically correct to withdraw and let the old goat have his moment, she proceeded to tune him up citing chapter and verse until his cronies finally convinced him to pick a fight he could win. What fueled his public and verbal self-immolation was that he couldn't be corrected by a girl... under any circumstances and would go down with the boat before conceding...

My wife has had similar experiences in the construction field on very large multimillion dollar capital improvement projects and pipeline jobs. Doesn't matter if she can do her job, she's a girl... end of story.

You've assumed 'if' they were better, 'then' there would be more of them. Trust me bro, it don't work that way... The girls have a point.

In fact, given the degree and rapidity with which this thread veered off course and into the ditch, the only way they're likely to even have a decent conversation among themselves is by blocking all the boys...
FUBAR...
  • #110
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:55pm Jun 13, 2009 7:55pm
LOL Patience, loved your quip about the boys and the scented candles too, good giggle stuff.
  • #111
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:56pm Jun 13, 2009 7:56pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Lol, Ive just realized what Im trying to do.... win an arguement with some women. Silly me,
There's hope for you yet bro...
FUBAR...
  • #112
  • Jun 13, 2009 7:57pm Jun 13, 2009 7:57pm
Quoting Patience



You dont know mine or my families circumstances so I wouldnt go making judgements or jokes about my living arangements.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #113
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:02pm Jun 13, 2009 8:02pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
What do YOU know about the industry? What are your credentials? As far as im concerned...

all you contributed was drivel presented as facts.
Oooooooppss.

Leon, that was just wrong... Maybe I spoke too soon about hope?

I'd take it back Quick and apologize Faster.

Trust me... you do NOT want that rant to live on as your statement for all time to come... At least carry your umbrella...


http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1244941456
FUBAR...
  • #114
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:04pm Jun 13, 2009 8:04pm
Leon, you seem like a nice young man with a genuine thirst for the market. I do hope you find your feet and make it work for you. People here are generally happy to help. This thread was started by a woman looking to network with other women trading Forex. It was hijacked by the boys.

The research base via universities on the gender issues in trading is well documented. I'd put the 100+ links in for you to reseach yourself but I don't have time + you need to develop a capacity to do your own homework and get across the facts before engaging in a debate with others who know a great deal more about the background issues.

There have also been many legal suits brought recently (all of them well documented in places like WSJ, New York Times, CNN, Bloomberg etc) and won because of the gender discrimination that occurred when trading houses downsized.
  • #115
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:17pm Jun 13, 2009 8:17pm
Wow...!!

JG, I'm delighted to have crossed your path... sorry about the circumstances. Will be on the lookout for your posts on brighter topics tho they seem to be far and few between, but well worth the wait.

CC.... we'll have to stop meeting like this as well.
FUBAR...
  • #116
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:18pm Jun 13, 2009 8:18pm
Seriously, I knew this thread was going to be B$ and a war of men vs women from the get go.
  • #117
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:19pm Jun 13, 2009 8:19pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
I think women are great, every man should own one.
If you can't handle it, don't dish it out. Take it like a man!
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #118
  • Jun 13, 2009 8:37pm Jun 13, 2009 8:37pm
Hi ak4x, nice to make your acquaintance. Thanks for posting your story about your daughter - it is (sadly) a very commonplace experience for women in this and other industries. Women have to fight tooth and nail for the recognition, work twice as hard and usualy receive half the rewards. Not surprising that in the end, they succeed big time - they have often had to work much harder for it - eventually they are recognised and given the promotion breaks they deserve.

From Australia to Alaska, greetings.
  • #119
  • Jun 13, 2009 9:14pm Jun 13, 2009 9:14pm
Quoting Jade Gate
Hi ak4x, nice to make your acquaintance. Thanks for posting your story about your daughter - it is (sadly) a very commonplace experience for women in this and other industries. Women have to fight tooth and nail for the recognition, work twice as hard and usualy receive half the rewards. Not surprising that in the end, they succeed big time - they have often had to work much harder for it - eventually they are recognised and given the promotion breaks they deserve.

From Australia to Alaska, greetings.
Well, in trading there is no sexist fight to do and the market don't give you half reward because of your sex, that's the good thing of market, no matter who you are, we all are the same when trading.
Somebody say women are better then men at trading, somebody say there are no proves.. this discussion remain non-sense anyway.

I see that there is something like a war between men and women, who's better trading who's better here and there.. you are all crazy

Me personally i don't give a s**t to the fact of who is better or who is not better, but (and mine intention is not to offend, attention) my personal thinking is that women are not better traders then men (then me), everybody have his own thinking, of course.

my last 2 cents
  • #120
  • Jun 13, 2009 10:48pm Jun 13, 2009 10:48pm
LOL i don't see anymore posts from the girls O_o

You guys should treat them equally as Trader
Afterall i can see there are alot of female traders out there
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