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  • #761
  • Apr 6, 2009 3:48pm Apr 6, 2009 3:48pm
Hi Rob!

Thanks for the development of the system. Question

If I understand "the edge only" from your post 730 the trades is taken immediately the signal bar close (no wait for 10 pips confirmation)?

Is there a difference how the signal bars is calculated in VForcealert and VForceedge

Elovv
  • #762
  • Apr 6, 2009 3:53pm Apr 6, 2009 3:53pm
Quoting Viv108
Quick question.. you might think i am being a bit silly. Is this an EA or is it a manual trading system. Can it be turned into an EA?
Ronald Raygun is the only person I know who is actively developing an EA for vForce. More power to him...

RR's vForce EA thread
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=156609
  • #763
  • Apr 6, 2009 4:09pm Apr 6, 2009 4:09pm
Quoting mxb
Reading through the thread it jumps around and now i think we have audioalert, vforcealert and vforceedge systems right?
It appears audioalert gives most signals correct? So i could choose to just trade audiolert right?
Mxb welcome to the Force

Force5 is the original system by ForexJedi (uses AudioAlerts)
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=120606

vForce is the new system by ForexJedi (uses vForceAlerts VFA)
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=156640

vForceEdge is an experimental adaptation of vForce (uses vForceEdge VFE)
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=713

The reason this thread "vForce the revolution" goes all over the place is because it was the original thread when vForce was released. It then started to get out of control as lots of people wanted to make changes. As a result ForexJedi made this into the experimental thread and started "vForce EU Only" for those who want to learn how he trades vForce.

I explained the differences between VFA and VFE in post 696
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=696

When the vForceEdge project is finished it will be released in it's own thread as a complete system. It is only part way through development at this stage. I posted VFE as an incomplete system because this is the experimental thread and I find it promotes a lot of good ideas (even if it is confusing at times). RD
  • #764
  • Apr 6, 2009 4:23pm Apr 6, 2009 4:23pm
Quoting e-piphany
Hi Robdee, did you trade this according to the MM you set out in post 730? You mentioned that under certain ranging conditions you need smaller targets, do you ever adjust your strategy to cater for this? Or do you just trade it mechanically with the MM you set out?
E-piphany welcome to the Force, great question. At this stage only the MM rules given in post 730 are used. If I change more than one thing at a time then I don't know what I am testing. I am trying to build up from the absolute most simple entry rules to the more complicated entry rules one simple step at a time. Hope that makes sense.

My vForceSim tool was posted to allow everyone to test different MM scenarios. I would enjoy seeing some other MM scenario results posted here.

vForce Simulator post 726
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=726
  • #765
  • Apr 6, 2009 4:38pm Apr 6, 2009 4:38pm
Quoting Elovv
If I understand "the edge only" from your post 730 the trades is taken immediately the signal bar close (no wait for 10 pips confirmation)?
Elovv, Yes you understand it correctly.

Quote
Is there a difference how the signal bars is calculated in VForcealert and VForceedge

VFA versus VFE signal logic

The original vForce system using vForceAlerts does not filter signals. This was done on purpose to allow the trader have an active role in deciding which signals to trade.

vForceEdge takes a different approach. That is VFE generates more signals but also uses filters to increase the percentage of winning signals. This means VFE is trying to achieve a difficult balance between too many poor quality signals and too few good quality signals.

This is a much more complicated approach than VFA which simply prints signals as soon as all the indicators line up. VFE is trying to improve on this by essentially pushing on both the 'accelerator' and the 'brakes' at the same time. See what I mean ? RD
  • #766
  • Apr 6, 2009 4:46pm Apr 6, 2009 4:46pm
I see what you mean and understand. I asked because I have seen that the signal differs and I like what I see in post 730. What I can see even VForcealert make it good with this rules.
Elovv
  • #767
  • Apr 7, 2009 12:29am Apr 7, 2009 12:29am
Qestion about confirmation bar.
On VForce alert the confirmation bar went green if the buy/sell alert whas triggered in the four next bars.

Look at my VForce edge chart. Signal bar 16.45. Next bar whent dark green, but the signal not triggerd. The signal whas triggerd by the 17.15 bar.

Next signal bar 22.45. The bar 23.15 whent light green. The signal newer went triggered.

I ask because I want understand. IBFX chart.

Elovv
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  • #768
  • Apr 7, 2009 12:46am Apr 7, 2009 12:46am
Quoting robdee
Vilmal good trading. I work with GMT times, looks like you are quoting GMT+2.

The 1.3531 price label on my chart below is a retrace price. In other words the signal has been confirmed and now price has retraced back to the MA6 line. As you can see VFE highlights the first retrace only. Price retraced a second time before continuing down with strength.

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Thanks for getting back to me Robdee. Just a couple of things. I am always on skype if you ever need to bounce any thoughts/ideas. I think your programming skills are at a different level to mine. Your in 5th gear and I am just starting the engine! But I do have 15years of trading experience which is in my eyes invaluable

Final question is whether the "rules/indicators" that drive VFE could be used on the indices or other instruments or do you think they are exclusive for FX and specific pairs?

Regards

Vimal
  • #769
  • Apr 7, 2009 2:04am Apr 7, 2009 2:04am
Quoting Elovv
Look at my VForce edge chart. Signal bar 16.45. Next bar went dark green, but the signal not triggerd.
When you say "signal not triggered" I think you are talking about the retrace price label. I have looked at your chart, there is no error.

This is the sequence.

  1. if signal rules match then paint signal candle (red or blue)
  2. if confirm rules match then paint confirm candle (light green or green)
  3. if reverse rules match then paint reverse candle (light green or green)
  4. ignore one candle
  5. if retrace rules match then print retrace price label (darkorange or royalblue)

VFE Reversals in Detail
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...89#post2637189
VFE ConfirmByPips
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...94#post2637094
VFE ConfirmByClose
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...43#post2634343

== RetraceLabelBuy Rules ==
1. buysignal is confirmed (OR) sellsignal is reversed
2. confirmedcandle is at least 2 bars ago
3. low of this candle is below MA6
4. low of this candle is below signalcandle high + 55 pips
5. no candles have closed below the signalcandle low

== RetraceLabelSell Rules ==
1. sellsignal is confirmed (OR) buysignal is reversed
2. confirmedcandle is at least 2 bars ago
3. high of this candle is above MA6
4. high of this candle is above signalcandle low - 55 pips
5. no candles have closed above the signalcandle high

  • #770
  • Apr 7, 2009 2:14am Apr 7, 2009 2:14am
Quoting vnathwani
Final question is whether the "rules/indicators" that drive VFE could be used on the indices or other instruments or do you think they are exclusive for FX and specific pairs?
As you know my entire focus has been on EURUSD 15min. Therefore I expect that the signal rules in VFE are highly tuned to this pair and timeframe. On the other hand I have had a few emails from people who claim that the earlier versions of VFE worked on 'everything'. I haven't looked into it myself. RD
  • #771
  • Apr 7, 2009 8:04am Apr 7, 2009 8:04am
Rob, thank you for taking you time to explain!

"Originally Posted by Elovv http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
If I understand "the edge only" from your post 730 the trades is taken immediately the signal bar close (no wait for 10 pips confirmation)?
Elovv, Yes you understand it correctly"

And how do you calculate entry price in the spredsheat? Is it open of the bar after signal bar or what?

Elovv
  • #772
  • Apr 7, 2009 9:44am Apr 7, 2009 9:44am
Quoting robdee
Ashur, welcome to the Force.

Looking at your chart makes me think you have used an old template. Make sure you use a template that matches the indicator and version. If necessary delete the old templates and start again.

This applies to all charting issues, make sure you have the right template, and re-apply if necessary to refresh the indicator. There are buffer refresh issues in MT4 that I can only resolve on my own charts by re-applying the template whenever I see something that I think is not quite right. RD

Thanks a lot for the reply robdee!Happy trading!
  • #773
  • Apr 7, 2009 10:27am Apr 7, 2009 10:27am
Hi Rob,

I using IBFX, please advice why my vforce price label is not 10 pips from the signal candle?

i have tried remove and download new indicator, but still the same.


Thanks,
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  • #774
  • Apr 7, 2009 10:29am Apr 7, 2009 10:29am
hi robdee..

just to make sure is this chart the correct template for Vforce signal only?coz it seem like no signal red and blue candle,only light and dark green candle..hope u can correct what i am doing wrong..

many thanks in advance
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  • #775
  • Apr 7, 2009 11:01am Apr 7, 2009 11:01am
First time I'm posting. I have the same problem. Please assist urgently. Looks like great system.

Regards



Quoting sony001
Hi Rob,

I using IBFX, please advice why my vforce price label is not 10 pips from the signal candle?

i have tried remove and download new indicator, but still the same.


Thanks,
  • #776
  • Edited 3:45pm Apr 7, 2009 2:52pm | Edited 3:45pm
This VFA maintenance update includes support for brokers who have changed the EURUSD symbol.

Users input the symbol using the BrokerEuroSymbol=EURUSD setting.

For example

  1. IBFX mini account uses EURUSDm, BrokerEuroSymbol=EURUSDm
  2. Forex.com uses EURUSDpro, BrokerEuroSymbol=EURUSDpro

When VFA has found the correct euro symbol to use as a reference you will see a message in Experts tab like this.

  1. vForceAlerts EURUSDpro,M15: EURUSDpro Digits=5 PipDigits=4 PipDecimal=0.0001 PipValue=$10.00 Server=[Forex.com-Demo]

Inserted Code
+-----------------------------------------------------+
| INDICATOR                         vForceAlerts.EX4  |
| copy to [experts\indicators] and apply template     |
| status messages printed in Experts tab of terminal  |
+-----------------------------------------------------+
| 'vForce' trading system created by ForexJedi.       |
| Alerts for 'vForce' are NOT FILTERED by design.     |
| Every qualified signal candle triggers an alert.    |
+-----------------------------------------------------+
| This is free experimental software.                 |
| No guarantees are expressed or implied.             |
| Support in "vForce the revolution" FF forum thread. |
+-----------------------------------------------------+
 author  [url="http://www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=12983"]www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=12983[/url]
 support [url="http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=155871"]www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=155871[/url]
 
INDICATOR_VERSION    20090408
INDICATOR_NAME       "vForceAlerts"
RELEASE_LEVEL        "Public"
MT4_BUILD            223

vForceAlerts previous version in post 577
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=577

This version of vForceAlerts is V20090408
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File Type: tpl vForceAlerts_white.tpl   2 KB | 1,010 downloads
File Type: tpl vForceAlerts_black.tpl   2 KB | 995 downloads
File Type: ex4 vForceAlerts.ex4   23 KB | 1,507 downloads
  • #777
  • Apr 8, 2009 3:47am Apr 8, 2009 3:47am
Thanks to FJ and RD for this system. Can anybody help me with the indicator showing the time remaining on candle? Regards.
  • #778
  • Apr 8, 2009 8:42am Apr 8, 2009 8:42am
Quoting publeloc
Thanks to FJ and RD for this system. Can anybody help me with the indicator showing the time remaining on candle? Regards.
I hope this is what you were looking for
Attached File(s)
File Type: mq4 b-clock modified.mq4   2 KB | 602 downloads
  • #779
  • Apr 8, 2009 9:11am Apr 8, 2009 9:11am
Quoting ashur123
I hope this is what you were looking for
Thank you, it is what I was looking for.
  • #780
  • Apr 8, 2009 9:31am Apr 8, 2009 9:31am
Robdee, I have a quick question. Do I enter the trade right when a buy or sell candle appears, or do I wait for it to retrace and then enter?

Ashur
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