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  • #21
  • Jan 23, 2009 4:26pm Jan 23, 2009 4:26pm
http://www.blinkinc.com/shrinker.htm
  • #22
  • Jan 26, 2009 10:27pm Jan 26, 2009 10:27pm
Seems Meta Trader should think about this issue on next Meta Trader Platform. (MT 5)

Unless everyone just trading manually or trading automatically by his own trading system that created by himself and using his own dedicated server.
no Guts, no Glory!
  • #23
  • Jan 27, 2009 1:48am Jan 27, 2009 1:48am
Quoting gsosay
Seems Meta Trader should think about this issue on next Meta Trader Platform. (MT 5)

Unless everyone just trading manually or trading automatically by his own trading system that created by himself and using his own dedicated server.
It would be nice, but I wouldnt consider this critical. I'd much rather see some more event procedures or other cool things like that than worry about code protection
  • #24
  • Jan 27, 2009 1:55am Jan 27, 2009 1:55am
Quoting LongToBeFree
It would be nice, but I wouldnt consider this critical. I'd much rather see some more event procedures or other cool things like that than worry about code protection
If they had code protection I would sell working EA's - until then no way!!
  • #25
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:03am Jan 27, 2009 2:03am
I'll say it again.

The only way to secure your trade logic is to have your clients copy your signals into their account with a trade copier.

Once you release software to someone, it can be reverse engineered, no matter how clever you are.

That's it. End of story.
  • #26
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:06am Jan 27, 2009 2:06am
Quoting Fulltime247
If they had code protection I would sell working EA's - until then no way!!
I'd rather focus on making my life easier as a programmer than selling EAs. For example, its rumored that MT5 will have an event procedure OnStopLoss for when an existing order hits the SL. I think that will be awesome! I'd rather see them focus on that than code protection.
  • #27
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:15am Jan 27, 2009 2:15am
I agree to tdion and LongToBeFree.

And selling EAs is evil anyway.
  • #28
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:18am Jan 27, 2009 2:18am
Quoting tdion
I'll say it again.

The only way to secure your trade logic is to have your clients copy your signals into their account with a trade copier.

Once you release software to someone, it can be reverse engineered, no matter how clever you are.

That's it. End of story.
I agree with Tdion, there's no other way to be 100% sure that your code will be not violated.
  • #29
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:18am Jan 27, 2009 2:18am
Are there online publications about MT5?

When will it be released? What brokers will implement it and when?

This could be bad. Very bad.
  • #30
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:36am Jan 27, 2009 2:36am
Quoting piccolo
I agree to tdion and LongToBeFree.

And selling EAs is evil anyway.
Ha! You must think programming experience has no value (specially the forex. hardest programs I've ever written). I wish I could convince all my fave artists, game programmers and gadget makers that getting money for their lifes work has no value and is evil too.
  • #31
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:50am Jan 27, 2009 2:50am
Quoting Fulltime247
Ha! You must think programming experience has no value (specially the forex. hardest programs I've ever written). I wish I could convince all my fave artists, game programmers and gadget makers that getting money for their lifes work has no value and is evil too.
I didn't say that you should not be compensated for your programming hours. Why would you sell a good EA, though?
  • #32
  • Jan 27, 2009 2:52am Jan 27, 2009 2:52am
Quoting piccolo
I didn't say that you should not be compensated for your programming hours. Why would you sell a good EA, though?
TRADING FUNDS!!! Big Bucks Accounts!!!
  • #33
  • Jan 27, 2009 3:25am Jan 27, 2009 3:25am
Your excitement is a bit scary.

Wait, the real scary thing is how unregulated forex is, and that any novice programmer can put together a pretty backtest (realistic or not) and show that graph to potential clients..... get them aroused by the prospect of huge potential gains, and then bankrupt their accounts.

Only afterwards acknowledging their inefficiency in being realistic about what they were doing instead of following a pipe dream nowhere.
  • #34
  • Jan 27, 2009 3:41am Jan 27, 2009 3:41am
Quoting Fulltime247
TRADING FUNDS!!! Big Bucks Accounts!!!
I used to think like this too. But now I'm not so sure. I'm a professional programmer in my day job and I want to be compensated for my code just like anyone else. But with forex, I think its more about being able to create code to manage your own accounts just the way you want them. Eventually, sure, I might want to start a fund, but until then, selling EAs is just a big pipe dream. Besides, theres probably more money in coding a newbie's Martingale than selling your own, profitable code
  • #35
  • Jan 27, 2009 3:44am Jan 27, 2009 3:44am
novice!? I wish? I've programmed video games, 3d animation, federal budget systems, ecommerce websites, relational database stuff, etc, etc..... (working on iphone game right now too)

and I've been programing forex systems for the past couple years too. I have systems that work but wont sell em till I get better code security. I wont sell any of them now but this comment started with a hope for better mt5 security. If the code was more secure I would be willing to share. so dont misunderstand me I'm not here hawking anything. the stuff I have is not for sale.
  • #36
  • Jan 27, 2009 3:55am Jan 27, 2009 3:55am
Well let's just forget about you for a minute. This is not an attack on your skills/background/motive it is a general statement.

People can sell their junk EAs to clients with pure enthusiasm because they honestly believe they've got something. But when real bucks are moving back and forth, it falls apart.

All because of 1) pathetic regulations and 2) lack of education on their part, or worse.... refusal to face reality.
  • #37
  • Jan 27, 2009 4:38am Jan 27, 2009 4:38am
Quoting tdion
Well let's just forget about you for a minute. This is not an attack on your skills/background/motive it is a general statement.

People can sell their junk EAs to clients with pure enthusiasm because they honestly believe they've got something. But when real bucks are moving back and forth, it falls apart.

All because of 1) pathetic regulations and 2) lack of education on their part, or worse.... refusal to face reality.
i really have to add CRAPPY BROKERS!! Ive had systems that worked fine in forward test demos till you put em live - then youd have to start fighting the broker too.
  • #38
  • Jan 28, 2009 1:39am Jan 28, 2009 1:39am
Its easy to fix EA's that work fine on forward/demo accounts and dont work too well on live ones.

You need to build in requote/slippage handling otherwise, yes, the brokers will ruin your trading.

As for EA protection, move the logic too a DLL and compress it using SHRINKER.

Ofcourse everyting can be reverse engineered but SHRINKER uses 128 byte encryption so it will take them a long time.
  • #39
  • Jan 28, 2009 2:14am Jan 28, 2009 2:14am
I do believe EAs are good for education.

But I am not sure that they are good for making money.. unless you don't have the time.
  • #40
  • Jan 28, 2009 2:24am Jan 28, 2009 2:24am
EA's work if you code them correctly.
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