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  • #153,361
  • Jan 15, 2009 1:15pm Jan 15, 2009 1:15pm
Quoting vinesh2
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  • #153,362
  • Jan 15, 2009 1:42pm Jan 15, 2009 1:42pm
ok, i'm ready. session closed, trading finished...

orion, let's start the esignal/volume/reinvention of the chrome rim's discussion again
  • #153,363
  • Jan 15, 2009 1:52pm Jan 15, 2009 1:52pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
ok, i'm ready. session closed, trading finished...

orion, let's start the esignal/volume/reinvention of the chrome rim's discussion again
Dr. Geppy, so what do you think of today's volume? What does it tell us? You were right yesterday, should have listened to you ..
Thanks man .. appreciate it .. still learning.
  • #153,364
  • Jan 15, 2009 1:57pm Jan 15, 2009 1:57pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
ok, i'm ready. session closed, trading finished...

orion, let's start the esignal/volume/reinvention of the chrome rim's discussion again

LOL it has its purposes but really for this stuff either u understand what to look for or you dont
"Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do"
  • #153,365
  • Edited 2:11pm Jan 15, 2009 2:00pm | Edited 2:11pm
Quoting mktjong
Dr. Geppy, so what do you think of today's volume? What does it tell us? You were right yesterday, should have listened to you ..
Thanks man .. appreciate it .. still learning.
you sound like my gf (not)

i cannot entirely compare the volume at 132, because the last time when we tackled it, it was during euro session with higher vol. nevertheless it looks to me like a legitimate try to take 132 out and we definitely had less sell orders hitting the market.
i think we could retrace to as low as 130.50 during asia and will retest 132.
this (shortterm(?)) bullshittishness is confirmed by futures.
my view from yesterday is still in play and the dive down below 838 on s&p to close back above was longs loading i am pretty sure. thu/fri is s&p movement day so we are still in plan for a massive rally.

from a technical view we sould not disregard the close above 60m 50ema. the first time since 5 days.
  • #153,366
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:10pm Jan 15, 2009 2:10pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
you sound like my gf (not)

i cannot entirely compare the volume at 132, because the last time when we tackled it, it was during euro session with higher vol. nevertheless it looks to me like a legitimate try to take 132 out and we definitely had less sell orders hitting the market.
i think we could retrace to as low as 130.50 during asia and will retest 132.
this (shortterm) bullishness is confirmed by futures.
my view from yesterday is still in play and the dive down below 838 on s&p to close back above was longs loading i am pretty sure....
i have a question for you, what if we decide to create a technical indicator that shows comment when there's some up normal moves and prints some signs on the chart where there is something wrong with volume, spread or change between open and close, would that work?
I recommend you read something else as this sentence is now concluded.
  • #153,367
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:11pm Jan 15, 2009 2:11pm
Quoting Obaidah
i have a question for you, what if we decide to create a technical indicator that shows comment when there's some up normal moves and prints some signs on the chart where there is something wrong with volume, spread or change between open and close, would that work?

hahaa they have that its called tradeguider software
"Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do"
  • #153,368
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:12pm Jan 15, 2009 2:12pm
hi all

this is obviously a 'newbie' question but I'm wanting to get into this thread and am hoping someone can give me a couple of pointers to where to start. I've read post 1 and the general advice there is all good but now I'd like to read about how the system actually works, indicators (i use mt4 with alpari) etc. What should would be good terms to search the thread for or are there specific posts that I should be reading?

cheers
  • #153,369
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:12pm Jan 15, 2009 2:12pm
Quoting mktjong
Dr. Geppy, so what do you think of today's volume? What does it tell us? You were right yesterday, should have listened to you ..
Thanks man .. appreciate it .. still learning.

if we have follow thru day tomorrow for sure we have stopping volume on S &P / dj etc ... yesterday was the first sign of strength on the high vol down bar , followed by a higher vol doji today. We need to see an up day tomorrow.

gj right now is a flag , if it retraces in Asia may be to the DP at 130.3. If the daily pivot holds we may see some nice up move in London session ( bar any banks getting 100 million dollars in losses)

I am holding short off 131.80 for the retracement and will close at Daily pivot or before if i see something going sideways on me.

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  • #153,370
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:14pm Jan 15, 2009 2:14pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
you sound like my gf (not)

i cannot entirely compare the volume at 132, because the last time when we tackled it, it was during euro session with higher vol. nevertheless it looks to me like a legitimate try to take 132 out and we definitely had less sell orders hitting the market.
i think we could retrace to as low as 130.50 during asia and will retest 132.
this (shortterm(?)) bullshittishness is confirmed by futures.
my view from yesterday is still in play and the dive down below 838 on s&p to close back above was longs loading i am pretty...
Thanks so much for the explanation. I agree with you and think it would retrace 50% and then up again ..
  • #153,371
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:14pm Jan 15, 2009 2:14pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
you sound like my gf (not)

i cannot entirely compare the volume at 132, because the last time when we tackled it, it was during euro session with higher vol. nevertheless it looks to me like a legitimate try to take 132 out and we definitely had less sell orders hitting the market.
i think we could retrace to as low as 130.50 during asia and will retest 132.
this (shortterm(?)) bullshittishness is confirmed by futures.
my view from yesterday is still in play and the dive down below 838 on s&p to close back above was longs loading i am pretty...
you forgot to give your input on the 1hr + fifty ema and the 4hr + fifty ema
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  • #153,372
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:15pm Jan 15, 2009 2:15pm
Quoting Obaidah
i have a question for you, what if we decide to create a technical indicator that shows comment when there's some up normal moves and prints some signs on the chart where there is something wrong with volume, spread or change between open and close, would that work?
the putah is not able to make discretionary decisions, so it would need confirmation for the spotting which adds lag.
otherwise u would see some kind of signal every few bars.

it also is unable to spot the right places for showing signals that matter.
  • #153,373
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:16pm Jan 15, 2009 2:16pm
Quoting OrionsWay
hahaa they have that its called tradeguider software
yea Dr. mentioned it before, but in order to use it you require to download 3 programs and you need to pay to 3 companies with almost no garantee for someone knows nothing about volume that it works, and, there're alot of things needs to be added to that program ... basicly, i know what does it use to identify weakness and strength spots, and, i couldnt get on with that program, its not flexable

those are the problems that im trying to solve in order to simplify trading
I recommend you read something else as this sentence is now concluded.
  • #153,374
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:17pm Jan 15, 2009 2:17pm
Quoting pockets99
hi all

this is obviously a 'newbie' question but I'm wanting to get into this thread and am hoping someone can give me a couple of pointers to where to start. I've read post 1 and the general advice there is all good but now I'd like to read about how the system actually works, indicators (i use mt4 with alpari) etc. What should would be good terms to search the thread for or are there specific posts that I should be reading?

cheers
To save you time, you could read the last 50 pages of the thread. Everything you should need is there.

You need to analyse volume and MT4 should have that.
You'll need to study Volume Spread Analysis, VSA.
Download ebook Master The Markets from here www.tradethetruth.com
And there are also some good indicators for MT4 contained in the last 50 pages.

Have fun.
  • #153,375
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:18pm Jan 15, 2009 2:18pm
Quoting Dr.Geppynius
the putah is not able to make discretionary decisions, so it would need confirmation for the spotting which adds lag.
otherwise u would see some kind of signal every few bars.

it also is unable to spot the right places for showing signals that matter.
or, we can decrease the sensitivity so that only the signals with high probabilty appears on your chart.

edit: the volume provided with MT4 works for VSA right?
I recommend you read something else as this sentence is now concluded.
  • #153,376
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:20pm Jan 15, 2009 2:20pm
Quoting ukdaytrader
To save you time, you could read the last 50 pages of the thread. Everything you should need is there.

You need to analyse volume and MT4 should have that.
You'll need to study Volume Spread Analysis, VSA.
Download ebook Master The Markets from here www.tradethetruth.com
And there are also some good indicators for MT4 contained in the last 50 pages.

Have fun.

ukdaytrader

many thanks this is exactly what I needed to know, cheers
  • #153,377
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:24pm Jan 15, 2009 2:24pm
Quoting Obaidah
or, we can decrease the sensitivity so that only the signals with high probabilty appears on your chart.

edit: the volume provided with MT4 works for VSA right?
tradeguider is state of the art for learning vsa on the live edge.
the much improved new version will be released until the end of january.

i do not assume it is easy to reproduce all the signals, because they need confirmation...

only way to go is chartreading on your own.

mt4 vol: i have seen some differences on mt4 platforms which change the meaning. volume at brokerages differ, also if u pick single contributors out of the esignal feed and compare the tick vol of the brokerages against each other.

just today by checking whc mt4 demo platform i found a trade i would have taken whilst using esignal feed i wouldn't. esignal was right...maybed it was just russian mt4 vol manipulation

so yeah, you could use it but i wouldn't want to.
  • #153,378
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:24pm Jan 15, 2009 2:24pm
Quoting Obaidah
yea Dr. mentioned it before, but in order to use it you require to download 3 programs and you need to pay to 3 companies with almost no garantee for someone knows nothing about volume that it works, and, there're alot of things needs to be added to that program ... basicly, i know what does it use to identify weakness and strength spots, and, i couldnt get on with that program, its not flexable

those are the problems that im trying to solve in order to simplify trading

when i used the only thing needed was a feed, i was using metastock data, maybe they changed the program . If you read the book many times u can identify these things with a naked chart. The first thing is to understand the psychology of the players, then its easy to see the next move in most cases
"Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do"
  • #153,379
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:26pm Jan 15, 2009 2:26pm
Sorry, this has probably been discussed here before, (but not in last 50 pages, lol), but is there a group room where we can chat and discuss VSA in real time?

If not, is anyone interested in doing this to share ideas and analysis?

Reading the analysis from Dr Geppy and malcolm is great and i'd like to spend more time actually looking live.
  • #153,380
  • Jan 15, 2009 2:33pm Jan 15, 2009 2:33pm
Quoting ukdaytrader
Sorry, this has probably been discussed here before, (but not in last 50 pages, lol), but is there a group room where we can chat and discuss VSA in real time?

If not, is anyone interested in doing this to share ideas and analysis?

Reading the analysis from Dr Geppy and malcolm is great and i'd like to spend more time actually looking live.
malcolm and me have webcams
or what do you mean

no vsa live trading room, we are partially doing skype conferences during trading...but bigger room distracts.
perhaps we might think about dedicating a little time for a few events like this...
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