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  • #61
  • Nov 15, 2008 6:40am Nov 15, 2008 6:40am
so niceguy - explain your statement: "the framework is there, we just need to work on our frame of mind"...
how did you come to that?
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  • #62
  • Nov 15, 2008 9:10am Nov 15, 2008 9:10am
Quoting HiddenTreasures
so niceguy - explain your statement: "the framework is there, we just need to work on our frame of mind"...
how did you come to that?
I found the Absolute Fibonacci Framework. No-one else seems to have found it, so I guess it's original. The mindset work is also unique and original, and goes far beyond reading any book.
The framework is there; we just have to work on our frame of mind.
  • #63
  • Nov 15, 2008 11:43am Nov 15, 2008 11:43am
Interesting thread. I was up late last night writing a blog draft about peace of mind in front of the charts.

It's good to see a lot of people aware of brain waves and states. Also whomever mentioned classical music and brain waves.

I used to listen to heavy music on the way to the hockey rink. 30 min. drive and 5 songs later, the adrenaline shot was usually gone. I learned about Baroque music and brain states, so I switched it up to Bach, Handel, Mozart, and saved the Disturbed for the headphones while I got suited. End result was a championship and playoff MVP that season.

For trading, it's tough for me to have music on get into the zone because it's chaos at my house and when I trade from work, I'm usually just taking quick glances at charts when my time marks come up. BUT because my trading style is heavily based on geometry, I've done quite a bit of work and research into platonic solids and harmonic proportion etc.

One of the new agee type things I keep seeing is to actually break out a compass, protractor, and straight edge and draw geometric designs based on the solids. Platonic solids are the 3 dimensional representation of vibration. So supposedly, by focusing the consious mind on drawing vibration, it's inevitable that the mind syncs up to that vibration. Likewise, the drawing may end up being the manifestation of the state of vibration the person is in.

I had a week off from work a recently and what started as trying to apply some charting ideas ended up being exercises in using the platonic solids to find vibration on the charts but also sync my vision to the vibration going on. It's still early in the work, but it's now 2 weeks later and how I've been seeing price action has been very in sync and the later trades this week were spot tops and bottoms filtering out all of the analyzed possibilties and finding some very good risk/reward points.
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  • #64
  • Nov 15, 2008 2:27pm Nov 15, 2008 2:27pm
JR97, you could save yourself a lot of bother by simply applying the Ab Fib Framework, and I think all your geometirc dreams will come true! Also, if your house is chaotic, see that as a metaphor for what may be going on in your head.... I'm not being judgmental, but what we manifest outside, is a reflection of what is going on inside.

The framework is there; we just have to work on our frame of mind.
  • #65
  • Nov 16, 2008 6:53pm Nov 16, 2008 6:53pm
Check out this thread:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=38970

Currently 96% agree that meditation can improve trading myself included

(be warned, that thread also degenerated into madness pretty sharpish )
  • #66
  • Nov 17, 2008 6:00am Nov 17, 2008 6:00am
"One of the new agee type things I keep seeing is to actually break out a compass, protractor, and straight edge and draw geometric designs based on the solids. Platonic solids are the 3 dimensional representation of vibration. So supposedly, by focusing the consious mind on drawing vibration, it's inevitable that the mind syncs up to that vibration. Likewise, the drawing may end up being the manifestation of the state of vibration the person is in"

Hi, I like that there is a lot of thought behind this paragraph. I like also that there is a number of ideas that are unused by me in it. -

(drawn from this post alone. - What your doing. - Geometry man. is take a peak/bottom, and find the previous vally/peak - (a good example would be head&shulders-) and projecting the next top/bottom using your compass. -
or am I way over simplifying it?

(I love geometric paterns in charts- but I tend to look at chart paterns more directly)

The idea is good by itself, - (along with indicators;-) how is it partically "energetic?" rather then patern oriented?

You can meditate on it. - and have a more fluid result in yourself. - fantastic. -
however is the 'method' - ... energetic?

(by the way, - music taims the wild beast) - With music I can re-direct my mood almost compleatly. (along with breath meditation) - some breaths will make you mad- ;-)
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  • #67
  • Nov 17, 2008 6:28am Nov 17, 2008 6:28am
Through the art of forex meditation and chart-soul integration I have finally figured out how to become one with the pips. The pips are me. I am the pips. I am making 1000s of dollars as a result.


(The only trouble is that now I can't sleep. I only can get rest on the weekends between Friday 4PM est and Sunday 5PM est. What can I do about this?)




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  • #68
  • Nov 17, 2008 3:06pm Nov 17, 2008 3:06pm
The thing about awareness is finding truth.
If you want to find a very good teacher in trading, and making profit in real time with knowledge, please check out Key to the Mint.

Harold teaches a real way to earn profits, without emotion getting in the way.
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  • #69
  • Nov 17, 2008 4:52pm Nov 17, 2008 4:52pm
Quoting HiddenTreasures

(drawn from this post alone. - What your doing. - Geometry man. is take a peak/bottom, and find the previous vally/peak - (a good example would be head&shulders-) and projecting the next top/bottom using your compass. -
or am I way over simplifying it?

(I love geometric paterns in charts- but I tend to look at chart paterns more directly)

The idea is good by itself, - (along with indicators;-) how is it partically "energetic?" rather then patern oriented?
I do a lot concerning geometry. There's geometry of the numbers, geometry on the charts, and also geometry that is hard to see on the charts because price are a dimensional representation of a four dimensional phenominon.. arguably.

My blog goes into some of what I do. http://4xcycletrader.blogspot.com/

I'll be updating it with the on the chart geometry stuff I've been playing around with soon.
  • #70
  • Nov 17, 2008 10:31pm Nov 17, 2008 10:31pm
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  • #71
  • Nov 19, 2008 4:59am Nov 19, 2008 4:59am
Quoting Mgh
The thing about awareness is finding truth.
If you want to find a very good teacher in trading, and making profit in real time with knowledge, please check out Key to the Mint.

Harold teaches a real way to earn profits, without emotion getting in the way.
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well I read a bit of that thread, It's huge 100p+! so .. lol can't say I read it all.
It looks like he is a great example of, "follow your trading plan".
-- besides the emotional/ spiritual side. - which I didn't read/find.... it sounds like he knows EXACTLY what his signals are and he sticks to them. -
(Personally) I need help in that type of disiplin and I know it. - because I can look at more signals / information when I feel unsure. - which is a mistake. -
BUT- you can't copy his methods EXACTLY, because it won't work, - unless your reading his words and following them to the letter every day. - you will loose faith, you will question yourself or the method because it is not yourself...
at least anyone known to me would.
............. creating your own method & thus trusting in it - means trusting in yourself. - which is something few people do. maybe you make a method, but you don't trust in yourself so you don't trust in your system.. trading errors start... boom.

Fez
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  • #72
  • Nov 19, 2008 5:05am Nov 19, 2008 5:05am
Quoting KudzuFX
Through the art of forex meditation and chart-soul integration I have finally figured out how to become one with the pips. The pips are me. I am the pips. I am making 1000s of dollars as a result.


(The only trouble is that now I can't sleep. I only can get rest on the weekends between Friday 4PM est and Sunday 5PM est. What can I do about this?)




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;=)) there's an inspireing post. ;=) Glad to hear it for you. You'll sleep eventually, I wouldn't worry about it to much.. if these are our problems... lol

Descibe your first time, how you bridged the gap the first time. descriptions I've heard," having compleat and unshakable faith in the uncertainty of the market", - knowing with out a doubt that anything can happen.... and joining the mass energy - conciousness of the collective market... (birds flying in formation all that...

what were you doing before/ & emotional state before/dureing/after/ is your "life" - relationships - good/peaceful now? -

I am washed by the idea that - the consistancy and the "FLOW" feeling in the market has to happen first in "life" then.. naturally...

Cheers
Fez
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  • #73
  • Nov 19, 2008 5:23am Nov 19, 2008 5:23am
Quoting JR97
I do a lot concerning geometry. There's geometry of the numbers, geometry on the charts, and also geometry that is hard to see on the charts because price are a dimensional representation of a four dimensional phenominon.. arguably.

My blog goes into some of what I do. http://4xcycletrader.blogspot.com/

I'll be updating it with the on the chart geometry stuff I've been playing around with soon.
Nice charts.
When I look for S/R like what I see there, (trend lines, S/R price levels, congestions... I went through 2 phases, the first I always "found" S/R to be very near active price, once I realized that my mind was setting that up for me and it was colored glasses I was seeing through. I now make any geometric shapes like that so that price is fairly centered or betwen levels. I was much faster to realize that i was LOOKING AGAIN through bias glasses. (I am also bias SHORT. - I dunno how to meditate my way out of that one yet lol.
So I droped geometry / trend lines / and S/R... .. untill I know I come back to it and I am not creating results.
(my story... lol

so I am trying to solve this sort of problem now.. Z;=) after realizing I draw my geometric lines / trend lines in bias ways... ( I don't square with time though... hmm

Cheers,
Fez
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  • #74
  • Nov 19, 2008 7:08am Nov 19, 2008 7:08am
well, if this is meditating on a chart. (with out the asumption that I KNOW for sure the outcome-- haha, - because I've descovered I don't.
- I get a nice vague picture.. lol. - I am sure that it's true though.. lol - so what does it look like for you when you meditate on your chart today?

coments welcome.

I am trying to get away from lines- (read previous posts why) feelings come with out judgement? lol
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  • #75
  • Nov 20, 2008 11:30pm Nov 20, 2008 11:30pm
Quoting HiddenTreasures
"One of the new agee type things I keep seeing is to actually break out a compass, protractor, and straight edge and draw geometric designs based on the solids. Platonic solids are the 3 dimensional representation of vibration. So supposedly, by focusing the consious mind on drawing vibration, it's inevitable that the mind syncs up to that vibration. Likewise, the drawing may end up being the manifestation of the state of vibration the person is in"

Hi, I like that there is a lot of thought behind this paragraph. I like also that...
Some chart art. Before and after.

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  • #76
  • Nov 21, 2008 12:23am Nov 21, 2008 12:23am
The currencies move to the Absolute Fibonacci Framework. If you like to think in terms of sacred geometry, that is what this framework is based on. The meditation (if that works for you), or mindset work (which is much more specific and powerful), is the key to seeing these patterns and interacting with them profitably.

Here we see the current moves on the Cable, fitting perfectly to a 382 fractal on the Framework. they fit, all the time, to different fractals as the fluid movement continues.
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The framework is there; we just have to work on our frame of mind.
  • #77
  • Nov 21, 2008 8:24am Nov 21, 2008 8:24am
Quoting niceguy777
The currencies move to the Absolute Fibonacci Framework. If you like to think in terms of sacred geometry, that is what this framework is based on. The meditation (if that works for you), or mindset work (which is much more specific and powerful), is the key to seeing these patterns and interacting with them profitably.

Here we see the current moves on the Cable, fitting perfectly to a 382 fractal on the Framework. they fit, all the time, to different fractals as the fluid movement continues.
Nice. Don't forget.. fibonacci is only but a fraction of the ratios and proporotions in sacred geometry. Pi and the square roots of 2, 3, 5 are all equally if not more prominant than Phi. Phi just gets all of the press.

The attached chart shows price action within the Merkaba (Star of David) from a chart I made a few weeks ago. Theoretically, the two objects are the same object since the price chart shows a time axis thus the larger object is where price is in that time frame whereas the smaller object is the previous "photograph". Notice how the triangle points forecasted an exact point in price/time. Also note how the angle intersections forecasted price reactions within the Merkaba.
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  • #78
  • Nov 21, 2008 9:49am Nov 21, 2008 9:49am
Very nice. I just have a practical technique for knowing where currencies are going.

Is there a point at which you were able to predict the low point some time before it happened?
The framework is there; we just have to work on our frame of mind.
  • #79
  • Nov 21, 2008 10:30am Nov 21, 2008 10:30am
There are a lot of ways to predict an exact point in price and time. I've picked spots weeks in advance based off of 1H and 4H charts. Basically, a swing high/low tells you all you need to know on where and when price will end up in the future. The swing range of price, time, angle, etc. There are quite a few Gann methods. Understanding the platonic solids is one, but also understanding the platonics in relation to 4D space and time. ie the vortex, torus, harmonics, harmonic ratios, etc. The conic sections are simplified ways to measure price/time based on 4D space and time.

But even if you can get a good guesstimate and WHERE price is going to be and WHEN, the path price takes may not be the most tradeable in terms of risk/reward and volitility for your money depending on your trading time frame, trading style, and risk tolerance. When it comes to actually making actual trading decisions, support resistence still provides the better entry. But S/R can be in any form be it a trendline, previous highs/lows, pivots, fibs, Gann sq9 levels, forks, etc. Using TIME is just one more confirmation and adds a dimension most traders don't use. Plus, marking off time on the chart means I can put the charts away and wait until the clock shows a market reaction is expected. If a setup is there, trade. If not, wait until until the next time marker.

Anywho... my blog goes into some of my less artsy methods. I've also got a journal here at FF that shows some as well.
  • #80
  • Nov 21, 2008 10:42am Nov 21, 2008 10:42am
In that case, you may be interested to know that my framework shows you all the points of resistance, and gives you ways to determine how strong they are (bounce or Elliott wave), how quickly the currencies will move to specific places, and specific points to put limits. I like to keep it simple - when it works, don't fix it!

The framework is there; we just have to work on our frame of mind.
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