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  • First Post: Edited Sep 4, 2008 12:52pm Sep 3, 2008 8:12pm | Edited Sep 4, 2008 12:52pm
  •  Kiado
  • | Joined Sep 2008 | Status: Member | 98 Posts
At the moment the market holds the believe that the US economy will be faster out of the crisis then the rest of the world the understanding is that the reaction of the fed to cut rates agressive was the right answer to the ongoing crisis and that the risk of inflation is far less to be afraid then a downturn in the economic .
In europe the ECB showed a much more willingness to fight inflation and this is the primary concern of all EU members . which to the believe of the market did in fact hurt the economy and will be much a longer crisis then in the US therefore the ongoing dollar strenght.

This strategy will only go good for the US if the Inflation will not pick up and therefore lower OIL prices are postive for the US economy to push down inflation and to improve the current account deficit . but this is only the begining of the story. thare is no way out to the crisis for the US economy. if the dollar gets much stronger this will hurt exports but it will bring down inflation so their is no need for the fed to adjust the rates but the economy will not grow from the export so the must rely on the consumer one other reason for low rates and in that cenario a strong dollar may hurt the economy in the end because if the economy stays stable inflation will find his way as we all know allready and their will be no way out of it, then to lift rates which will make eventually the dollar even more stronger and will hurt the economy to hard so i do not believe the fed will risk a recession based on less export and less consouming which leaves us with the fed not doing anything and relying on the consumer which in the end will bring them a lower dollar which in the end is positive for the export the only way for the fed to fight inflation is when the export sector will pick up .

in europe the story is different the primary reason why the are at the moment in difficult situation is because the effect the US has to the rest of the world lowering rates will not help the economy at all most of the growth in europe comes from the export sector (germany) so their primary concern will be the inflation which is still to high to be comfort with and now comes the point the US maybe the first to get out of the trouble relying on their consumers by ultra low rates but the impact the US will have on the rest of the world with it will be much greater because ones the consumer picks up in the US the rest of the world will be excactly their were it was left before the crisis in a god shape the export will growth to the US, the Europe economy will again florish and the ECB will higher rates before the US
so maybe the US will be first out of the Crisis but Europe will first higher rates without damaging the economy which in my point of view is EURO positive this is only a hypothesis which still is not yet proven to be right
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  • Sep 4, 2008 10:42am Sep 4, 2008 10:42am
  •  Kiado
  • | Joined Sep 2008 | Status: Member | 98 Posts
so everyone agrees with my statement?
i would love to see some other opinion or view of it
 
 
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  • Sep 4, 2008 2:45pm Sep 4, 2008 2:45pm
  •  FX1999
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: SL - therefore I am | 21 Posts
This article presents the current issues in the most delightful manner! Thank you.
 
 
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  • Sep 4, 2008 6:22pm Sep 4, 2008 6:22pm
  •  FXoffshore
  • Joined Aug 2007 | Status: History & Economic Cycles | 204 Posts
I understand the argument against technical analysis, and have no interest to belabor that concept.

What I am missing is any logical argument why fundamental analysis is any better? Can anyone give me something stronger than opinions?
 
 
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  • Sep 4, 2008 6:53pm Sep 4, 2008 6:53pm
  •  Kiado
  • | Joined Sep 2008 | Status: Member | 98 Posts

  1. When the fundamental and technical outlooks for a currency differ, always side with the techs.
  2. When the fundamental and technical outlooks for a currency converge, go for it! Take a more aggressive position than normal.

besides that in my opinion the currency reflects and projects all the fundamentals the fundamental analysis is not an accurate tool because you can allways argue about the outcome the fundamentals will have on the economy and on the market but it is important to every marketplayer to have a view on the market and to look for validation for that view of the market you should understand how the markets are interacting with each other
on the other side technical analysis is also not an accurate tool because you may allways have false breakouts and the market sometimes just dont pay any respect to your tools but again if you have a fundamental opinion and the technical side agrees with your opinion you have quit a good chance to be right

 
 
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  • Sep 4, 2008 7:01pm Sep 4, 2008 7:01pm
  •  FX1999
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: SL - therefore I am | 21 Posts
We are not again having the old argument about techs and funds, ARE WE??

In my view its all about managing risk. Yes, thats right. Trade whatever you want: charts, naked price even without the use of charts, or combine fundamentals with TA, WHATEVER, it does not make a diffrence!

Manage your risk well, trade with a set of rules, whatever they are, and do that over and over again. That't how money is made!

That's my opinion.

But anyway, what Kiado is saying in his post is not be understood as an argument about TA and FA anyway, he was just trying to give us to understand his view of the current market forces in play. My best.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2008 8:04am Sep 7, 2008 8:04am
  •  boz
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I think that in europe rates will be quite stable, they moved very little compare to US in the last decade, I believe that would continue. So, probably not much news from europe, in the medium-long term it is all up to US and data coming from US economy, and even how good the next president would be.
Also it is all up to the credit crunch and its deflation-inflation war. I am confident in a strong dollar in deflation and a strong euro in inflation.
But as FX1999 said is all about managing risk, I think the risk of inflation is higher.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2008 11:45am Sep 7, 2008 11:45am
  •  neo1001
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Henry Liu - Newsprofiteer.com LLC | 46 Posts
Kiado:

To respond your original post, I like to add a few points of my own:

1. Retail Sales in U.S. makes up 2/3 of the GDP. Meaning although export is important, most U.S. made products are consumed inhouse. When you really get down to it, what do we really export? Airplane, beer, (not cars), weapons, and that's about it... Therefore I do not really agree with your assumption that a stronger dollar is not good for the U.S. Economy, especially when you consider,

2. Crude Oil & other Commodities are pegged with U.S. Dollar, therefore when USD is strong, all commodities are defacto weak. Therefore, just by having a stronger dollar we will be able to control this commodity driven inflation... And it would benefit the entire world for that matter, and

3. Although I agree with you that ECB officials are known hawks, they secretly want to have a weak Euro at this moment. That is why Trichet has shifted from inflation to growth concerns. They want absolutely boost exports, and by verbally intervening Euro and not officially cut rates, they are hoping that they will be able to contain this crisis... so far it is not working, but then again EUR/USD is still kinda high. I fully expect to see 1.3500 soon.

The outlook?

U.S. economy will hopefully pickup, crude will drop below $80, confidence will return to the consumer, and real estate will rebound, as we have seen in the last few months a subtle stablization of both new/existing home sales figures. Once this credit debable and liquidity crunch are over, housing will rebound. We have no lack of buyers and no lack of inventories.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2008 11:53am Sep 7, 2008 11:53am
  •  emmyi29
  • | Joined Jul 2008 | Status: Member | 131 Posts
Quoting neo1001
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Kiado:

To respond your original post, I like to add a few points of my own:

1. Retail Sales in U.S. makes up 2/3 of the GDP. Meaning although export is important, most U.S. made products are consumed inhouse. When you really get down to it, what do we really export? Airplane, beer, (not cars), weapons, and that's about it... Therefore I do not really agree with your assumption that a stronger dollar is not good for the U.S. Economy, especially when you consider,

2. Crude Oil & other Commodities are pegged with U.S. Dollar, therefore when USD is strong, all commodities are defacto weak. Therefore, just by having a stronger dollar we will be able to control this commodity driven inflation... And it would benefit the entire world for that matter, and

3. Although I agree with you that ECB officials are known hawks, they secretly want to have a weak Euro at this moment. That is why Trichet has shifted from inflation to growth concerns. They want absolutely boost exports, and by verbally intervening Euro and not officially cut rates, they are hoping that they will be able to contain this crisis... so far it is not working, but then again EUR/USD is still kinda high. I fully expect to see 1.3500 soon.

The outlook?

U.S. economy will hopefully pickup, crude will drop below $80, confidence will return to the consumer, and real estate will rebound, as we have seen in the last few months a subtle stablization of both new/existing home sales figures. Once this credit debable and liquidity crunch are over, housing will rebound. We have no lack of buyers and no lack of inventories.
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CAN U PLS GIVE ME THE SITE U GET YOUR UPDATE ON CRUDE OIL PRICE
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2008 12:44pm Sep 7, 2008 12:44pm
  •  Kiado
  • | Joined Sep 2008 | Status: Member | 98 Posts
Thanks for your comment neo1001 I do appreciate it when I read a well based opinion


to answer your question my hypotheses is based on the assumption that the us economy will pick up
(I will soon release a second hypotheses that this may not be the case at all )
and you are right that the main factor to end the economic down turn is the consumer in the US and there is my point that with a strong dollar the economy will be much more dependent on the consumer
which will it make harder for the fed to lift rates when the consumer picks up and inflation again will be higher the case for higher rates at that point may bring a stronger dollar and less consumption and even slower exports so in my opinion the fed will be far behind than the Euro in lifting rates which may be Euro positive (and again bring in some way the US a bubble )


the overall change in commodity prices are far more dependent on the outlook for economic growth.
a strong dollar may bring down commodity prices in USD terms but if the economic outlook is getting brighter the commodities will getting higher again and vice versa


the ECB has some pressure to push the economy by lowering rates but lower rates wont bring the economy in a much better shape if the rest of the world faces a slow down so instead of focusing on the economic growth they only got on needle in their compass which is inflation and indeed the only success full option anyway the ECB may have is to bring down inflation by all costs which in the longer run is much more of a benefit to all
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2008 5:12pm Sep 7, 2008 5:12pm
  •  boz
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Quoting Kiado
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Thanks for your comment neo1001 I do appreciate it when I read a well based opinion


to answer your question my hypotheses is based on the assumption that the us economy will pick up
(I will soon release a second hypotheses that this may not be the case at all )
and you are right that the main factor to end the economic down turn is the consumer in the US and there is my point that with a strong dollar the economy will be much more dependent on the consumer
which will it make harder for the fed to lift rates when the consumer picks up and inflation again will be higher the case for higher rates at that point may bring a stronger dollar and less consumption and even slower exports so in my opinion the fed will be far behind than the Euro in lifting rates which may be Euro positive (and again bring in some way the US a bubble )


the overall change in commodity prices are far more dependent on the outlook for economic growth.
a strong dollar may bring down commodity prices in USD terms but if the economic outlook is getting brighter the commodities will getting higher again and vice versa


the ECB has some pressure to push the economy by lowering rates but lower rates wont bring the economy in a much better shape if the rest of the world faces a slow down so instead of focusing on the economic growth they only got on needle in their compass which is inflation and indeed the only success full option anyway the ECB may have is to bring down inflation by all costs which in the longer run is much more of a benefit to all
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I don't know what is your second iphotesis but I don't see the US consumer picking up spending anytime soon, where would they find the money? I am pretty sure the 2/3 of the economy made by US consumer spending is no more. A balance with more export, better trade deficit and less consumer spending is on the way. Eventually the governmant spending would need to be controlled as well and that would reduce the money available to consumer even more.
I also beleive that the ECB hasn't been controlling exchanges rates for a while, eventually they would do it mainly to bring stabilization back in case the market gets too volatile.
Also what do you think will happen to the US$ when inflation in those Asian and emergin countries would be under control again? that of course if the commodity market somehow stabilise.
 
 
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  •  Kiado
  • | Joined Sep 2008 | Status: Member | 98 Posts
can be found here

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=104964
 
 
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