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  • #81
  • Feb 16, 2007 7:51am Feb 16, 2007 7:51am
With all due repect I think you're the one who doesn't understand. Banks absolutely have a choice whether to fill or not. Usually it's in their interests to fill. 10-100 milliseconds after a news release it's in their interests not to fill. They don't fill. As you say, they alter the bid/ask before they start filling. Of course the price can still move after the initial spike but you dont need "autoclicking" to get in after the initial spike.

If you're making as much money as you claim to be from trading then why are you running the ForexMuse service?
  • #82
  • Feb 16, 2007 8:31am Feb 16, 2007 8:31am
Quoting notouch
With all due repect I think you're the one who doesn't understand. Banks absolutely have a choice whether to fill or not. Usually it's in their interests to fill. 10-100 milliseconds after a news release it's in their interests not to fill. They don't fill. As you say, they alter the bid/ask before they start filling. Of course the price can still move after the initial spike but you dont need "autoclicking" to get in after the initial spike.

If you're making as much money as you claim to be from trading then why are you running the ForexMuse service?
Ok. whatever makes you happy. I'm actually happy to have this conversation with you and I hope a lot of people take your side on how things will be. The more people like you, the better it is for the crazies like me.

Lookup an old email and you will know why the Muse exists.

FYI, the Muse has 35 to 40 members max; just covers the costs of the news providers and servers which I will need anyway, It has yet to cover my development expenses but since I use it I don't care. If you look anywhere on the web, you'll see that I have advertised it only once through email and never since. I don't go put fake reviews and my members like that the Muse is below radar. so frankly, if 100 people in this room say that the Muse is worse than RSS or SNW, I don't care; I get my members through existing members and word of mouth is more powerful than any advertising.

Again, Only way I get members is through other members. Would you like to call me on this as well? You guys need to do your home works before you say things.

Does anyone do due diligence?
  • #83
  • Feb 16, 2007 8:36am Feb 16, 2007 8:36am
Quoting notouch
If you're making as much money as you claim to be from trading then why are you running the ForexMuse service?
Clearly you have no idea how insanely boring the life of a trader can be.
  • #84
  • Feb 16, 2007 8:43am Feb 16, 2007 8:43am
Quoting Darkstar
Clearly you have no idea how insanely boring the life of a trader can be.
Funny you say that.. I'm watching Japanese Anime (Death Note) the last few days between signals

I'm sorry that this topic is completely off where it started.. really sorry BK.
  • #85
  • Feb 16, 2007 8:46am Feb 16, 2007 8:46am
you guys need to chill out and go have a beer together.
"i wake up in the morning, and i piss excellence"
  • #86
  • Edited 11:12am Feb 16, 2007 10:17am | Edited 11:12am
You are lying "zarni" and / or Felix/Dustin are lying to everyone to drum up sympathy, VERY LIKELY.

Ask Dustin about advanced knowlege of his BB service on a Monday and possibly earlier getting shut-off on Wednesday, and that surely was the day of the week he was shut down.

Isn't this advance warning?

Why don't you ask Dustin about the threatening letter that was sent to 2 people by his lawyers and when the lawyers received a response from one of them with FACTS stated in the rebuttal, he never heard from them again?

Dustin and Felix are marketers, and full of BS like all Network Marketers, VERY LIKELY.

Quoting zarni
You are taking his words out of context. He means that he uses multiple newsfeeds and he sometimes gets the news faster than Bloomberg. That was his intent. Which is true very often...
Both Dmitri and Dustin were shut down without warning. I have that straight from them.
Perhaps the are both lying and you are the one that is telling the truth...kind of unlikely.
  • #87
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:41am Feb 16, 2007 10:41am
Quoting fxmasterjedi

Dustin and Felix are marketers, and full of BS like all Network Marketers, VERY LIKELY.
For certain.

I was hoping you would show up in this dicussion.
The market is my nation. Traders, my family. Hello, brothers and sisters!
  • #88
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:43am Feb 16, 2007 10:43am
Quoting ForexMuse
In my opinion, it won't be long before News trading is for the elite. To cover the currenex example before, it's possible the same users with the same broker but who trades half a yard or a yard won't get rejected.

One of my brokers is not good for news trading. but a friend of mine who trades with them a yard gets in and out without any issues. So now, he trades for me on that broker. He's the elite, I'm not.

Sadly, it was once thought that if you had 250k USD that would put you in the elite, I think that has changed this last year.
I'm sorry but I just had to comment on this. Even with top tier currenex access you're not going to have access to a yard within 5 pips even on eur$. And when a figure is anticipated you're going to see that shrink to about a fifth of the normal volume. Whilst trading technology has progressed dramaticially within the last few years, the bulk of trades that size will inevitably be done over the phone or broken into chunks via vwap or similar algorithms, not on a 1-click trading platform.
  • #89
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:50am Feb 16, 2007 10:50am
Quoting StockKJay
For certain.

I was hoping you would show up in this dicussion.
I had no idea Safwan was engaged in this or I would have been here MUCH sooner!
  • #90
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:56am Feb 16, 2007 10:56am
Quoting fxmasterjedi
You are lying "zarni" and / or Felix/Dustin are lying to everyone to drum up sympathy, VERY LIKELY.

Ask Dustin if he didn't tell a business associate of his on a Monday and possibly earlier that his Bloomberg was getting shut-off on Wednesday, and that surely was the day of the week he was shut down.

Isn't this advance warning?

Why don't you ask Dustin about the threatening letter that was sent to 2 people by his lawyers and when the lawyers received a response from one of them with FACTS stated in the rebuttal, he never heard from them again?

Dustin and Felix are marketers, and full of BS like all Network Marketers, VERY LIKELY.
I am not lying just telling what I hear and making my conclusions. Maybe I was a little gruff but at least I don't accuse people of lying when there is no motive involved. i am just a user and I know for a fact that Dmitri was not notified. Maybe Dustin was - I don't know where you got that information but I was present in the chatroom every session and he never said that. But the fact that all 3 servies use the same technology principle it is suspicious that Safwan was up when both were cut off.
  • #91
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:56am Feb 16, 2007 10:56am
I agree with you all about the difficulties of news trading.

But if all this is true about Bloomberg, can someone explain to me why Felix's service is still running and he is doing multiple news trades a day???
If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
  • #92
  • Feb 16, 2007 10:58am Feb 16, 2007 10:58am
Quoting SimonK
I agree with you all about the difficulties of news trading.

But if all this is true about Bloomberg, can someone explain to me why Felix's service is still running and he is doing multiple news trades a day???
Well if you cannot figure that one out you are very naive indeed.
  • #93
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:07am Feb 16, 2007 11:07am
Well, as Safwan stated facts, not un-substantiated conclusions. You defended both of these knuckle-head vigoriously, and now the back-peddling begins.

Let me give you an idea of the kind of slick marketer Dustin is, and what people missed.

In his marketing brilliance email where he talked about being under attack b/c of other people's greed, etc., he went into this long-winded deal about jealous people getting his BB shut-off etc.

Question: BB charges $1,700/mo. Why would BB cut off his service b/c of someone else's jealousy?

Answer: BB cut off his service b/c he was investigated and proven to have broken the user agreement. There is a clip on the internet that pops up on google with Dustin's service that shows a clear violation.

But all these gung-ho Dustin is my super-hero didn't see the real underlying issue, which was that he breached a contract.

I can slam so much more on that pathetic email, which was a marketing dream for him.

Don't blame Safwan for being a professional, and letting BB sniff test his service. This is what a PROFESSIONAL person does. People who cut corners are the ones' that get disciplined the way Felix and Dustin did by BB, and have suffered consequences as a result of their slick ways.

Quoting zarni
I am not lying just telling what I hear and making my conclusions. Maybe I was a little gruff but at least I don't accuse people of lying when there is no motive involved. i am just a user and I know for a fact that Dmitri was not notified. Maybe Dustin was - I don't know where you got that information but I was present in the chatroom every session and he never said that. But the fact that all 3 servies use the same technology principle it is suspicious that Safwan was up when both were cut off.
  • #94
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:14am Feb 16, 2007 11:14am
Quoting fxmasterjedi
Well, as Safwan stated facts, not un-substantiated conclusions. You defended both of these knuckle-head vigoriously, and now the back-peddling begins.

Let me give you an idea of the kind of slick marketer Dustin is, and what people missed.

In his long winded email where he talked about being under attack b/c of other people's greed, etc., he went into this long-winded deal about jealous people getting his BB shut-off etc.

Question: BB charges $1,700/mo. Why would BB cut off his service b/c of someone else's jealousy?

Answer: BB cut off his service b/c he was investigated and proven to have broken the user agreement. There is a clip on the internet that pops up on google with Dustin's service that shows a clear violation.

But all these gung-ho Dustin is my super-hero didn't see the real underlying issue, which was that he breached a contract.

I can slam so much more on that pathetic email, which was a marketing dream for him, which btw he planned in advance.

Don't blame Safwan for being a professional, and letting BB sniff test his service. This is what a PROFESSIONAL person does. People who cut corners are the ones' that get disciplined the way Felix and Dustin did by BB, and have suffered consequences as a result of their slick ways.
Sorry, I have not seen this video. Where is it?
I know that he did that but that was a long time ago. I have not seen recent video of this and I have always been in the room.
And how has Felix broken his license agreement?
  • #95
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:14am Feb 16, 2007 11:14am
Quote
Well if you cannot figure that one out you are very naive indeed.

Yes I am naive! Could someone tell me what they think happened with Felix's service.

As far as I can see, it's still running. He publishes the deviation of Bloomberg's number against the consensus, not the actual number itself.

And as a member actively using his system, it appear that Bloomberg have not cut him off.
If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
  • #96
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:29am Feb 16, 2007 11:29am
Quoting zarni
Sorry, I have not seen this video. Where is it?
I know that he did that but that was a long time ago. I have not seen recent video of this and I have always been in the room.
And how has Felix broken his license agreement?
Both of them are down for the same reason; read the bloomberg user agreement and if it doesn't jump up at you, then you need to get a lawyer. I bet you most lawyers wouldn't catch the details if they are not software lawyers.

But Dimitri went further and wrote up emails telling people not to get Bloomberg, that it's slow and that his service is faster. Then he did a video and if anything that was the dumbest move.

If I was Bloomberg, I would take action and probably not even warn him.

Anyone who's stupid enough to bite the hands that feed him... well, I'm sure you can figure out the rest.
  • #97
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:33am Feb 16, 2007 11:33am
Quoting zarni
Sorry, I have not seen this video. Where is it?
I know that he did that but that was a long time ago. I have not seen recent video of this and I have always been in the room.
And how has Felix broken his license agreement?
Looks like he pulled the ad, but it was easily found at the time all of this was going on b/c it was a paid advertisement on google.

Don't know the true story on Felix, so I will admit to specualting.

It was RUMORED that BB was in possession of the email that Felix circulated that he his SNS was faster than BB and Reuters, so don't pay for those expensive services and subscribe to his SNS.

In additon, that email had a clip attached to it that clearly showed the BB numbers and screen in the background, which guess what? That is a breach of contract for giving out proprietary data of BB to people who are not paying for it.

If I were BB, I wouldn't like someone cutting into my revenue by discounting the service which was in fact the same service that the person himself was using to take potential revenue away from me for self-enriching reasons.

Now, I am done with this conversation as there is enough evidence to support lies by the Felix and Dustin camp, and the fact that Safwan had zero to do with it.
  • #98
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:34am Feb 16, 2007 11:34am
Quoting SimonK
Yes I am naive! Could someone tell me what they think happened with Felix's service.

As far as I can see, it's still running. He publishes the deviation of Bloomberg's number against the consensus, not the actual number itself.

And as a member actively using his system, it appear that Bloomberg have not cut him off.
Hypothetically, you have to ask yourself if you lie and cheat on a daily basis; How hard is it to get your friend to put Bloomberg in his name and you give him a few bucks a month for his trouble.

I know that one of them approached someone to give them their Bloomberg and they guy refused and told me about. We didn't report this to Bloomberg because frankly I don't care.

Karma seems be working; A lot of people thought that Dimitri is their savior and believed his lies that he hired me as a programmer to develop the SNW.

Overtime, this guy has lost so much credibility that they were even blasting him on his own forum.

Time has a way of fixing things and setting records straight.
  • #99
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:40am Feb 16, 2007 11:40am
Quoting sccz97
I'm sorry but I just had to comment on this. Even with top tier currenex access you're not going to have access to a yard within 5 pips even on eur$. And when a figure is anticipated you're going to see that shrink to about a fifth of the normal volume. Whilst trading technology has progressed dramaticially within the last few years, the bulk of trades that size will inevitably be done over the phone or broken into chunks via vwap or similar algorithms, not on a 1-click trading platform.
Considering how much is estimated to be traded on a daily basis and that banks say that most money is traded at news release. I would say that a yard is easy to do. Don't forget that only a few can do a yard.

But you may be right, only time will really tell.
  • #100
  • Feb 16, 2007 11:44am Feb 16, 2007 11:44am
Quoting fxmasterjedi
Looks like he pulled the ad, but it was easily found at the time all of this was going on b/c it was a paid advertisement on google.

Don't know the true story on Felix, so I will admit to specualting.

It was RUMORED that BB was in possession of the email that Felix circulated that he his SNS was faster than BB and Reuters, so don't pay for those expensive services and subscribe to his SNS.

In additon, that email had a clip attached to it that clearly showed the BB numbers and screen in the background, which guess what? That is a breach of contract for giving out proprietary data of BB to people who are not paying for it.

If I were BB, I wouldn't like someone cutting into my revenue by discounting the service which was in fact the same service that the person himself was using to take potential revenue away from me for self-enriching reasons.

Now, I am done with this conversation as there is enough evidence to support lies by the Felix and Dustin camp, and the fact that Safwan had zero to do with it.
I know that clip and again that was true - On that report he was faster than Bloomberg because it was another news provider that came in with numbers faster. I don't see any breach there. Although it is negative for BB it was true.

And there is not enough evidence to support anything that you state. I cannot and dont care to prove any allegations. However, circumstantial evidence is there. There is no denying that - those are the only facts currently.
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