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  • Jul 28, 2008 9:06pm Jul 28, 2008 9:06pm
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I made this post in another thread, but I just wanted some feedback from you guys

Figuring out where to set the stop is a tricky thing for me at the moment. I look for stops based on support and resistance that is identifed immediately before the candlestick that is currently in motion. For example, imagine being on the 30min time frame and then you look back at the last few candles and where you see a noticable peak or low, then that peak would be resistance and the low would be support. So. the distinction I make is to look at the support like or resistance line immediately before the current candle stick and use that as a stop or take profit point.

I'm not sure if what I say makes much sense.

Next I look at the lengh of the candle shadows and how big the candles are, and how many or bull or bear candles are present. If I see a lot of shadows below the candle real body then I assume that there is a lot of buying push and therefore bullish. But if the shadows are on the opposite end then I assume that there is a lot of selling pressure so I get ready to go short.

Currently I like it if the RSI passes below the 50 line and if the factors above line up then I make the trade. If the RSI passes above the 50 line then it is bullish and as long as the above factors line up, I make the trade.

It is very simplistic at the moment but the thing I find most difficult with stops is the volatility. When London open happens and New York is open there can be a lot of volitality. I haven't quite figured out how to incorporate that into where to set stop losses. One thing I have learned from my records is that when ever it goes 20pips away from me during london open, then I know I'm in the wrong direction.

If I am on the Tokyo open then I use a hard 6pip stop loss for EUR/USD (in combination with where the support and resistance lines are).

You ask, why not let profits run..this is true. I do that sometimes. But I just think that basing take profit zones just before resistance levels is a good place to take profit because often when you get to resistance the trend bounces in the opposite direction. So when it hits resistance I often look to get ready to go short in the opposition direction.

As for doing 20 trades or just 4. Ofcourse I'd like to do just 4 but personally I'm not sure that that method is a good fit for me because I like to be active and know that I can continually take something from the market, even if it is just a small amount.

I'm still learning and very flexible. I'm trying to build a definitive methodology that I can consistantly apply. I'm finding that aspect challenging as well. Sometimes it can be tough to figure out if you have an edge or if it is just probablility going in your direction.
 
 
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  • Jul 29, 2008 6:15pm Jul 29, 2008 6:15pm
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Two things:

One, don't hope for a short bounce of trend line if there was a previous 2-3 point table bottom.

Two, Fan your trend lines as the trend gets steeper. When they are broken, you can get a few pips even if they dont go below the previous trend line.
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I made this post in another thread, but I just wanted some feedback from you guys
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Thanks for sharing.

I personally dont use candle sticks. I was using Heiken Ashi bars for a while but have gone to pure 10 sec. line chart with S&R.

No indicators either.

If its working for you then continue with what works!

Forex can be profitable with thousands of different strategies, or so I hear


Mike
 
 
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Thanks for sharing.

I personally dont use candle sticks. I was using Heiken Ashi bars for a while but have gone to pure 10 sec. line chart with S&R.

No indicators either.

If its working for you then continue with what works!

Forex can be profitable with thousands of different strategies, or so I hear


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Hi Pip Ventures

This is a great thread you have started.

First off, I'd like to say that my method in its current form is not working. I have been recording my thoughts in an excel spreadsheet every day and I've come to the conclusion that choosing tops and bottoms is not worth my while UNLESS we are in a horizontal range.

I am going to look to work pretty much exclusively on either the 30min or 15min time frames. I think 30 minute is good for me a this stage.

Anyway instead of getting into the trap where I'm thinking...ohhh it has hit resistance, it should bounce now--and then placing a trade on where I expect it to bounce--I'm not going to do that any more. Instead I must wait for some kind of confirmation with the candles and then make the trade.

Also, I've made the mistake of putting too much emphasis on the 'current candle stick' instead of looking more at the nine candles before the current one. So basically I've fallen in the trap of watching the volatility of the current candle and then making a trade.

At the moment I'm working hard on memorising the main candle stick patterns. So instead of just looking at the basic trend, I want to get more technical with how I view the price action and yet still keep things relatively simple.

Just getting back to the prior point about ranges...I think that my method in my previous post works reasonably well but when in a strong trend it's not that good. It isn't good because I just can't reliably know when it will bounce or if it will pass through a support line.

Anyway, it is all a 'work in progress'. I'm enjoying this process of learning

And as you say there are many ways to make money in Forex, so I hope that we all can do well
 
 
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Hi Pip Ventures

This is a great thread you have started.

First off, I'd like to say that my method in its current form is not working. I have been recording my thoughts in an excel spreadsheet every day and I've come to the conclusion that choosing tops and bottoms is not worth my while UNLESS we are in a horizontal range.

I am going to look to work pretty much exclusively on either the 30min or 15min time frames. I think 30 minute is good for me a this stage.

Anyway instead of getting into the trap where I'm thinking...ohhh it has hit resistance, it should bounce now--and then placing a trade on where I expect it to bounce--I'm not going to do that any more. Instead I must wait for some kind of confirmation with the candles and then make the trade.

Also, I've made the mistake of putting too much emphasis on the 'current candle stick' instead of looking more at the nine candles before the current one. So basically I've fallen in the trap of watching the volatility of the current candle and then making a trade.

At the moment I'm working hard on memorising the main candle stick patterns. So instead of just looking at the basic trend, I want to get more technical with how I view the price action and yet still keep things relatively simple.

Just getting back to the prior point about ranges...I think that my method in my previous post works reasonably well but when in a strong trend it's not that good. It isn't good because I just can't reliably know when it will bounce or if it will pass through a support line.

Anyway, it is all a 'work in progress'. I'm enjoying this process of learning

And as you say there are many ways to make money in Forex, so I hope that we all can do well
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If your method is only good for ranging markets why not just trade then? No one says we have to be in the market at all times I'm in the market for roughly 5 trades a day, each lasting seconds to no more than a few minutes so I would say tops 10 minutes exposure each day....just rough numbers.

Just an idea...wait for the times that you know your method works well and trade then...try looking at historical charts to find those times so you can pinpoint and narrow down the time you are sitting in front of the computer
 
 
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  • Jul 29, 2008 7:23pm Jul 29, 2008 7:23pm
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If your method is only good for ranging markets why not just trade then? No one says we have to be in the market at all times I'm in the market for roughly 5 trades a day, each lasting seconds to no more than a few minutes so I would say tops 10 minutes exposure each day....just rough numbers.

Just an idea...wait for the times that you know your method works well and trade then...try looking at historical charts to find those times so you can pinpoint and narrow down the time you are sitting in front of the computer
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That's a good thought fxRichard. I live in Australia and so essentially our day is basically the same (timezone) as tokyo. And during the Tokyo session we usually get a lot of ranging until the London and New York open.

Definitely, you have a good point

edit: I haven't even written down on average what happens at what times during the day. Thanks for the tip--I will add a worksheet to my journal and put those historical times down
 
 
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  • Jul 29, 2008 10:33pm Jul 29, 2008 10:33pm
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Hi Pip Ventures

This is a great thread you have started.

First off, I'd like to say that my method in its current form is not working. I have been recording my thoughts in an excel spreadsheet every day and I've come to the conclusion that choosing tops and bottoms is not worth my while UNLESS we are in a horizontal range.

SO TRUE! Dont ever try to pick tops and bottoms. Always go with the trend! The only tops or bottoms you want to pick are the tops and bottoms of the retests, or counter trend retracements along the major trend you are following. (or as you said, if your in a strong horizontal channel)

I am going to look to work pretty much exclusively on either the 30min or 15min time frames. I think 30 minute is good for me a this stage.

PA trading can be done on any time level. Though in this thread we are foccusing on the 5 min. or below for reasons stated in the first post.

Anyway instead of getting into the trap where I'm thinking...ohhh it has hit resistance, it should bounce now--and then placing a trade on where I expect it to bounce--I'm not going to do that any more. Instead I must wait for some kind of confirmation with the candles and then make the trade.

This is what indicators are for. For those not using indicators, the confirmations are different. See last chart posted. You will see a 3 point table bottom, and a trend break. This is enough confirmation to enter.

Also, I've made the mistake of putting too much emphasis on the 'current candle stick' instead of looking more at the nine candles before the current one. So basically I've fallen in the trap of watching the volatility of the current candle and then making a trade.

When you see that candle begin to move rapidly, YOU ALREADY MISSED IT. leave it alone and make sure your in next time before that happens.

At the moment I'm working hard on memorising the main candle stick patterns. So instead of just looking at the basic trend, I want to get more technical with how I view the price action and yet still keep things relatively simple.

Ive heard many do well with this, although I am sticking to the Line Chart.

Just getting back to the prior point about ranges...I think that my method in my previous post works reasonably well but when in a strong trend it's not that good. It isn't good because I just can't reliably know when it will bounce or if it will pass through a support line.

You never know for sure. But the good thing about trading like this, is that if it does go through the support line you can get out immediately! No waiting for a large stop loss to get hit.

Anyway, it is all a 'work in progress'. I'm enjoying this process of learning

And as you say there are many ways to make money in Forex, so I hope that we all can do well

Well, 5% of us will do well at least LOL Hope me and you are included.

Happy Trading!
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  • Jul 30, 2008 6:54am Jul 30, 2008 6:54am
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Thanks for the detailed response Pip Ventures

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SO TRUE! Dont ever try to pick tops and bottoms. Always go with the trend! The only tops or bottoms you want to pick are the tops and bottoms of the retests, or counter trend retracements along the major trend you are following. (or as you said, if your in a strong horizontal channel)

Yep, I completely agree. A key part of this equation though is in identifying first of all if we are in a trend or if we are ranging. This would depend on the time frames etc but that would obviously be a vital pre-condition.

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This is what indicators are for. For those not using indicators, the confirmations are different. See last chart posted. You will see a 3 point table bottom, and a trend break. This is enough confirmation to enter.

Thanks, I'll take a closer look at the table and see if I can apply it in a similar situation.

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When you see that candle begin to move rapidly, YOU ALREADY MISSED IT. leave it alone and make sure your in next time before that happens.

This is such a key point and can not be emphasised enough. It is so seductive though to want to jump on because it fluctuates wildly but yes, I agree with you now.

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Ive heard many do well with this, although I am sticking to the Line Chart.

Yeah, we need to choose what suits ourselves best

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You never know for sure. But the good thing about trading like this, is that if it does go through the support line you can get out immediately! No waiting for a large stop loss to get hit.

Most definitely true. This is a big bonus for scalpers

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Well, 5% of us will do well at least LOL Hope me and you are included.

Happy Trading!

Yeah, we will be. Must have confidence in our ability to make it in this game.

Also, I think it is so critical to not get caught into a false sense of security. I mean, our methods could work well for a market in general most of the time, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't always be looking to learn new things and try to refine and improve on our methods constantly. (as long as we test our ideas on a demo trading account etc).

But yeah, constant improvement is a must and also it helps to hone our existing skills and keep them fresh.
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 12:23am Aug 1, 2008 12:23am
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I enjoyed this e-book very much.

It is very thorough.

Check it out.


Mike Lewthwaite
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I enjoyed this e-book very much.

It is very thorough.

Check it out.


Mike Lewthwaite
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing.The ebook couldnt unzip,could you pls take a look?

Zu
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 4:37am Aug 1, 2008 4:37am
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing.The ebook couldnt unzip,could you pls take a look?

Zu
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I have the same problem
 
 
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just an inspiration to u all scalpers out there ...

http://www.clipclip.org/clips/detail...-eurex-flipper

good luck scalpers
To Live is the rarest thing in the world , Most people exist , that is all
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 6:33am Aug 1, 2008 6:33am
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I enjoyed this e-book very much.

It is very thorough.

Check it out.


Mike Lewthwaite
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Thanks dude, I'll check it out.

For those of you having trouble extracting it..find a program called 'winrar'. It extracted it fine for me
 
 
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing.The ebook couldnt unzip,could you pls take a look?

Zu
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The file is fine.

You need to be able to extract zip files. WinRar.

The E-Book is to large to just upload so it needed to be zipped.

Here is another link to one on FF with the same book, but you still need to be able to unzip.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=2088360

Even if I gave you the download link, its a zip file.

Its worth it to figure it out!

Great book,


Mike
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 12:30pm Aug 1, 2008 12:30pm
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I enjoyed this e-book very much.

It is very thorough.

Check it out.


Mike Lewthwaite
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On the other link someone mentioned copyright.

This e-book is listed in a "FREE E-book site."

Here is the link

http://www.trademoney.com/home.shtml

If there is copyright problems let me know and I will take this down. But I read that the guy that made these books has given up trying to sell them and they are now free.

Mike
 
 
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just an inspiration to u all scalpers out there ...

http://www.clipclip.org/clips/detail...-eurex-flipper

good luck scalpers
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Maheswara,

That was a very good article.

Thanks !

Mike
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 4:11pm Aug 1, 2008 4:11pm
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Sure enjoy the thread!

Thanks Pip Ventures.
 
 
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  • Aug 1, 2008 10:06pm Aug 1, 2008 10:06pm
  •  Pip Ventures
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This mantra was posted in LT thread and I feel it is worth reading, over and over and over...

Put it by your night stand!

And another copy next to your mouse.

Happy Trading!

Mike Lewthwaite
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Sure enjoy the thread!

Thanks Pip Ventures.
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Thanks Pooch,

Hope you can contribute some time and share some of your PA scalping history, technique, and experiences.

Sincerely,

Mike Lewthwaite
 
 
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  • Aug 4, 2008 3:28pm Aug 4, 2008 3:28pm
  •  Pip Ventures
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Heres a cool one for your toolbox.

Its a program that runs in the background and shows you past and upcoming news. (info from FXDAILY)

You can also choose the currencies you want to see news for and set alerts to alert you when major news is coming out so you know to put the mouse down.

Its free from the guys over at www.forextester.com

Check it out.


Mike


P.S. No theres nothing wrong with the file. Its a zip file. lol
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