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  • Feb 5, 2007 2:07pm Feb 5, 2007 2:07pm
  •  Cyclone
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Member | 30 Posts
Anyone who has the new version of VP 7 with the Stock categories should try the contest on CNBC next month and see how it does. Wish I had VP7; 10,000 is the weekly prize. Maybe someone here could win it.

Is anyone Game here?


Cyclone
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  • Feb 6, 2007 1:50am Feb 6, 2007 1:50am
  •  HighAsAKite
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 26 Posts
Hi all,

I have only just upgrade my VP to version 7.0.... I was woundering if anyone has formulated a system based on the new indicators? and how they are going with it all?

Cheers all!
Ride it like you stole it! Life begins at 25 Knots!
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  • Feb 6, 2007 11:13am Feb 6, 2007 11:13am
  •  zupi
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Member | 14 Posts
Could someone tell me please, how much do you gain in one month in %. So how much do you increes your acount on average and how long do you have the VP and wich version?

I still don`t know, if i would buy it or not, so please help me with your sugestions.
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  • Feb 6, 2007 1:35pm Feb 6, 2007 1:35pm
  •  Cyclone
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Member | 30 Posts
Quoting zupi
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Could someone tell me please, how much do you gain in one month in %. So how much do you increes your acount on average and how long do you have the VP and wich version?

I still don`t know, if i would buy it or not, so please help me with your sugestions.
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It doesn't matter what version of VP you use. The % gain depends on you as a trader. You will read signals and enter and exit different from everyone else here.

People here have been posting how to help you read the signals better for your entry and exit.

But you still have to enter a trade, use a comfortable stop loss and decide whether you will use a trailing stop or a profit target.

VP is only one tool in your tool box, and you hopefully will get better over time with experience.

I have posted old charts and reports from VP in this thread so people like you would get a better understanding of the software before you buy it.

Your percentage per month will vary from everyone else's. No one here will tell you to buy the software or not buy the software. That is your decision.

Cyclone
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  • Feb 6, 2007 10:14pm Feb 6, 2007 10:14pm
  •  Tango46
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 50 Posts
Quoting Cyclone
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Anyone who has the new version of VP 7 with the Stock categories should try the contest on CNBC next month and see how it does. Wish I had VP7; 10,000 is the weekly prize. Maybe someone here could win it.

Is anyone Game here?


Cyclone
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All, I just heard today, Market Technologies is offering a matching $10K award for any winner who does it (wins a weekly prize in this contest) using VP!...

It will be 'in store credit' basically, to be used on new products they have in the works.... I asked them for info on what those new products are, but no dice, thus far. Time will tell, & this 'should' be interesting.... Cheers all.
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  • Feb 6, 2007 10:25pm Feb 6, 2007 10:25pm
  •  Tango46
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 50 Posts
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Tinity,

Havent seen that exact error, but the advice to try reloading all CSI data makes sense.. worth a try, I would say.

I've just noticed a funky event with AUD/JPY between my 2 copies of VP7.0... <1 on laptop, 1 on desktop>

The desktop machine shows neural index & strength 'flatlined' starting on 01/17 & continuing right on thru today (01/30)...

but on the laptop, the flatlining started on 01/17, but on 01/29, both popped up, then went back down to the 'flatline' values on 01/30.... go figure??

Not sure where to look for the cause in this wierd case.... anybody else seen this??
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Meant to let everyone know.... this got solved, similar to Trinity's solution... right click on any portfolio you have open.... click on 'close' on drop down menu that appears.... hence 'no' portfolio left open.. then left click on the File tab on the top menu bar, then click on 'Clear Stored Predictions'....

VP Tech Support provided this solution... basically clears out previously calculated 'stuff' & forces SW to 'do it all again'.... they said the kinds of glitch I saw here tend to happen if you download new daily data while you also have VP open... so best to close VP, download data, then reopen....
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  • Feb 7, 2007 8:09am Feb 7, 2007 8:09am
  •  williamk
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 91 Posts
Thanks Tango, great advise so to prevent challendges in the future close the program before downloading data.

Thanks again

Bill
"When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph."
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  • Feb 7, 2007 8:53am Feb 7, 2007 8:53am
  •  zupi
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Member | 14 Posts
Quoting Cyclone
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It doesn't matter what version of VP you use. The % gain depends on you as a trader. You will read signals and enter and exit different from everyone else here.

People here have been posting how to help you read the signals better for your entry and exit.

But you still have to enter a trade, use a comfortable stop loss and decide whether you will use a trailing stop or a profit target.

VP is only one tool in your tool box, and you hopefully will get better over time with experience.

I have posted old charts and reports from VP in this thread so people like you would get a better understanding of the software before you buy it.

Your percentage per month will vary from everyone else's. No one here will tell you to buy the software or not buy the software. That is your decision.

Cyclone
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Thanks for the information cyclone. I know that the VP is just the tool not the sistem, I just want to know, if it is good tool to depend on it. If you trust it or not and about the gain i would like to know from someone who is using just the VP if it can make some money. I know that is depending on what kind of money manegment do you juse, but i would like to know if the VP helps you or not.

thanks for the feedback of any kind.

I am on contact with VP company, and they seys that is good, i would like to here from much more users and negative side too. Evrything isn`t just good, there is the bad side too.

Thank you for helping.
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  • Feb 8, 2007 4:48pm Feb 8, 2007 4:48pm
  •  williamk
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 91 Posts
Howdy all,

I wanted to let every1 know that while conversing with another VP user with 7.0 he is using CSI and myself using CRB. We were checking results from backtesting and found he had terrible results using the NI as an entry to go SHort or Long and using the Predicated High and Predicated Low plus 10pips as a StopLoss. While I had great results. We then started to check each trade and found numerous occasions where his NI was 0.00 and mine was 1.00. We also compared trade entries using the "4 out of 5" method and found where I had 4 out of 5 he only had 3 out of 5 not allowing him to enter while I was able.

What I am getting @ is not to use ANY trading method without 1st backtesting it yourself. Which is a painstaking task since it needs to be done by hand but well worth the effort. What I found with the data providers is they all use different Closing times and the Openings of the New Daily Candles. I know for a fact that CRB closes their candles @ 3:30 Central and Opens the New Candle @ 5:00 Central. They told me it was to compile all the data

I am still using the methods I just mentioned but can't stress enough not to take my word or any1s.

BACK TEST YOURSELF It's Ur $$$$$$$$$

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
"When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph."
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  • Feb 8, 2007 5:00pm Feb 8, 2007 5:00pm
  •  williamk
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 91 Posts
Howdy all again,

Just wanted to talk about Stoplosses. I have done a little backtesting with the Predicated High & LOws on only a few crosses and found that with 7.0 they seemed to work just fine. I had tested this method with 6.4 and found it didn't work that well so I put it to the side and started using the ATR method of a Stoploss. Usually when the candle broke the Predicated Low on a Long position it usually went through and changed direction.

I had a Long position on the GbpUsd today and as we all know it reversed it's direction and went south BUT using the Predicated Low plus 10pips saved me 40pips on the loss.

Again don't take my word for it check it Urself

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
"When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph."
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  • Feb 8, 2007 5:07pm Feb 8, 2007 5:07pm
  •  zarni
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 186 Posts
Quoting williamk
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Howdy all again,

Just wanted to talk about Stoplosses. I have done a little backtesting with the Predicated High & LOws on only a few crosses and found that with 7.0 they seemed to work just fine. I had tested this method with 6.4 and found it didn't work that well so I put it to the side and started using the ATR method of a Stoploss. Usually when the candle broke the Predicated Low on a Long position it usually went through and changed direction.

I had a Long position on the GbpUsd today and as we all know it reversed it's direction and went south BUT using the Predicated Low plus 10pips saved me 40pips on the loss.

Again don't take my word for it check it Urself

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
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tsk tsk ...opening position before an interest rate statement ...
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  • Feb 8, 2007 5:17pm Feb 8, 2007 5:17pm
  •  zarni
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 186 Posts
Quoting williamk
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Howdy all,

I wanted to let every1 know that while conversing with another VP user with 7.0 he is using CSI and myself using CRB. We were checking results from backtesting and found he had terrible results using the NI as an entry to go SHort or Long and using the Predicated High and Predicated Low plus 10pips as a StopLoss. While I had great results. We then started to check each trade and found numerous occasions where his NI was 0.00 and mine was 1.00. We also compared trade entries using the "4 out of 5" method and found where I had 4 out of 5 he only had 3 out of 5 not allowing him to enter while I was able.

What I am getting @ is not to use ANY trading method without 1st backtesting it yourself. Which is a painstaking task since it needs to be done by hand but well worth the effort. What I found with the data providers is they all use different Closing times and the Openings of the New Daily Candles. I know for a fact that CRB closes their candles @ 3:30 Central and Opens the New Candle @ 5:00 Central. They told me it was to compile all the data

I am still using the methods I just mentioned but can't stress enough not to take my word or any1s.

BACK TEST YOURSELF It's Ur $$$$$$$$$

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
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This makes sense since market changes after

I have to say I have always been skeptical of taking the directional signals of VP. Like any other system it only works certain times. For example last 2 weeks I have most of the time taken the OPPOSITE to what VP dictates specifically for JPY pairs and have made a killing just trading discretionary analyzing price action S/R trendlines, price action and fundies.

If you don't believe me you can check my trades at:
http://www.fx-performance.com/Defaul...:0&sorting=2:1
(ubertrading)

The directional signals are almost invariably correlated to strong directional move already in effect. If you look any of the PTM/PTS/NI etc confluence signals correlate to a strong move in the pair that is already evidence of a direction. No need for VP there....
The problem is when it is expected that the move is reaching exhaustion already. That can usually be found by looking at charts and price levels. That always trumps VP.
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  • Feb 8, 2007 5:20pm Feb 8, 2007 5:20pm
  •  williamk
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 91 Posts
I guess U missed the title of the post STOPLOSSES.

I didn't ask for critiquing or advice of my trade I put that out there to demonstrate about Stoploss method differences.

As for my trading I did quite well TODAY not the week:

GbpJpy +100pips
EurJpy +50 pips
UsdJpy +50 pips
EurCad +100pips (have been open since yesterday)
GbpUsd -70pips
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Lets see that is OH I ran out of toes

OH my +230pips FOR the DAY

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
"When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph."
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  • Feb 8, 2007 5:26pm Feb 8, 2007 5:26pm
  •  zarni
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 186 Posts
Quoting williamk
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I guess U missed the title of the post STOPLOSSES.

I didn't ask for critiquing or advice of my trade I put that out there to demonstrate about Stoploss method differences.

As for my trading I did quite well TODAY not the week:

GbpJpy +100pips
EurJpy +50 pips
UsdJpy +50 pips
EurCad +100pips (have been open since yesterday)
GbpUsd -70pips
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Lets see that is OH I ran out of toes

OH my +230pips FOR the DAY

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
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Nobody doubting you make a killing.
Just suggesting careful before reports. You would have saved yourself the 70 pips today for instance

Sorry from now on I will try to stick with the title of your posts as relevant subject matter.
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  • Feb 8, 2007 7:18pm Feb 8, 2007 7:18pm
  •  baddison
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: YES, I can!! | 222 Posts
Quoting williamk
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Howdy all,

I wanted to let every1 know that while conversing with another VP user with 7.0 he is using CSI and myself using CRB. We were checking results from backtesting and found he had terrible results using the NI as an entry to go SHort or Long and using the Predicated High and Predicated Low plus 10pips as a StopLoss. While I had great results. We then started to check each trade and found numerous occasions where his NI was 0.00 and mine was 1.00. We also compared trade entries using the "4 out of 5" method and found where I had 4 out of 5 he only had 3 out of 5 not allowing him to enter while I was able.

What I am getting @ is not to use ANY trading method without 1st backtesting it yourself. Which is a painstaking task since it needs to be done by hand but well worth the effort. What I found with the data providers is they all use different Closing times and the Openings of the New Daily Candles. I know for a fact that CRB closes their candles @ 3:30 Central and Opens the New Candle @ 5:00 Central. They told me it was to compile all the data

I am still using the methods I just mentioned but can't stress enough not to take my word or any1s.

BACK TEST YOURSELF It's Ur $$$$$$$$$

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
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Absolutely Bill. Its the only way to gain real trust in your strategy. Don't depend on someone else's results, make your own!!
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  • Feb 8, 2007 7:19pm Feb 8, 2007 7:19pm
  •  baddison
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: YES, I can!! | 222 Posts
Quoting williamk
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I guess U missed the title of the post STOPLOSSES.

I didn't ask for critiquing or advice of my trade I put that out there to demonstrate about Stoploss method differences.

As for my trading I did quite well TODAY not the week:

GbpJpy +100pips
EurJpy +50 pips
UsdJpy +50 pips
EurCad +100pips (have been open since yesterday)
GbpUsd -70pips
==============
Lets see that is OH I ran out of toes

OH my +230pips FOR the DAY

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
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WAY TO GO BILL!!! You can borrow some of my toes if you like...LOL
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  • Feb 8, 2007 7:56pm Feb 8, 2007 7:56pm
  •  DavidH
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 42 Posts
Quoting williamk
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I wanted to let every1 know that while conversing with another VP user with 7.0 he is using CSI and myself using CRB. We were checking results from backtesting and found he had terrible results using the NI as an entry to go SHort or Long and using the Predicated High and Predicated Low plus 10pips as a StopLoss. While I had great results. We then started to check each trade and found numerous occasions where his NI was 0.00 and mine was 1.00. We also compared trade entries using the "4 out of 5" method and found where I had 4 out of 5 he only had 3 out of 5 not allowing him to enter while I was able.
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Just curious... Probably the bigger question is how close is your broker to the prices in CRB? I use CSI myself and it seems to be within reason to FXCM and IBFX. Somedays I wonder how the numbers can be so far off (20+ pips), but mostly they are within 5 - 10 pips.

Overall, I do like 7.0 over 6.x as far as output. Runtime a whole other beast...

David
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  • Feb 8, 2007 10:30pm Feb 8, 2007 10:30pm
  •  baddison
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: YES, I can!! | 222 Posts
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Howdy Stoney, I have been always confused on position trading and the sort. I place my trades when there are 4 out of 5 of the Predicted indicators either Positive or Negative. The 5 indicators are the Predicated High, Predicted Low, Predicted Short Term Trend, Predicted Med Term Trend & the Neural Index. When 4 out of 5 of these are again either + or -, I enter @ the market when I analyze all the crosses @ 6:30edt, so most of my entries are before the Asian session begins. The crosses that I trade this way are the GbpJpy(the best so far this year), EurJpy, EurCad, UsdChf & UsdJpy. I am also a believe diversification is the key. These crosses I mentioned trade 70% or better winners but of course not all the same time so I may have 4 trades on and 3 of them are winners.Some of these trades are open for 1 day or on average 3 days so I guess you could call this Position trading doesn't matter long as I'm making pips. I also trade these positions in 1/3s. I have targets @ 50pips, 100pips & 150pips. I'm now testing using 1/4s and letting the last 1/4 run. I'm not going to go on about how many pips I have captured but I will tell U it's plenty.

Happy pip hunting

Bill
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Bill are you still using these target prices to exit your trades, or have you found a better exit strategy with VP7.0? I am backtesting your entry method as an exit method. In other words, the same criteria for entering a trade, I will use the opposite signals for exiting the trade. Will let you know the results soon... Additionally, what does your MM strategy look like? Do you scale back position size after losses?
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  • Feb 8, 2007 11:02pm Feb 8, 2007 11:02pm
  •  williamk
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 91 Posts
Howdy Baddison,

As far as TPs I am still using the 50, 100, 150pip and letting the last set of lots run but have been testing a few other methods. 1 of the methods I have been looking @ is a % of ATR another is Vegas Currency Daily Targets. I am also checking to C what % of max pips per trade were between 50-100pips, maybe making my 1st TP 100pips instead of 50 but still working on that.

When it comes to MOney Mangement I strickly use 3% of account size and figure how many lots to use with the caculator from this website posted here from Cyclone thanks buddy. Great tool

http://www.mataf.net/en/money-management.htm

and Yes I do scale back when I have some losses the caculator will again tell me how many lots for a trade once I input the amount of my account after the losses.

Fellow Pip Hunter

Bill
"When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph."
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  • Feb 15, 2007 1:45am Feb 15, 2007 1:45am
  •  Trinity
  • | Joined May 2004 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Has anyone had problems updating certain pairs in VP 7?

Routinely, USDCAD, USDJPY, USDCHF and NZDUSD ONLY do not update from the EzDownloader, nor from Ultimate Advantage.

The pairs chart in UA and the UA table shows them updated to the latest prices, but prices and charts do NOT update in VP 7.0, whether I use UA directly or EzDownloader

Nothing recommended by George at VP not Rudi at Ultimate Advantage has solved this problem.

Not by reinstalling VP 7.
Not by Clearing Stored Predictions and Configuring Data Provider in VP
Not with VP closed
Not with Windows Defender and Norton Anti-Virus disabled
Not by deleting portfolio and files in UA and selecting download portfolio a second time and downloading VP 7.0 portfolio
Not by deleting the CSI70 folder using Windows Explorer, relaunching UA and selecting Portfolio/Rewrite Files immediately

After repeated update attempts in UA (or EzD.) these 4 pairs also update between 1 to 3 hours after the rest update which is usually at around 17.50 EST for the rest.

Otherwise, VP 7.0 seems more useful than 6.3 – still analysing and trying out.
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