Perplexed - year spent looking for system

Fair enough Jim the misunderstanding on the patronising was all it took. Ive always thought you were a decent guy, just that i blow off if i feel someone talks to me like i'm some sort of idiot.

You have my respect if you have that much time in the markets. Good luck to you and my apologies, let's start afresh.

the booker / bain thing had a question mark after it. Fact of the matter is I was told by someone that met booker that he did not himself trade - this guy told me that rob told him that he didnt. my source is very reliable but as it wasnt myself that was told that's why i put the question mark.

Craig, what was your nick on moneytec?

No sorry buddy my thoughts are not crazy but only to blind people or those that block their minds to alternative solution to winning in the market.

I will not be suprised if the owner of the forum will join the masses to
suspressed FACTs. But I pray they should not but allow the thread to go on because people want throw fact out of the question asked here.

Dictionary definition of fact:

1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true:
Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

This is how the world has been duped. The financial market you trade
cannot be measured in the laboratory right or wrong? Your chart is your
laboratory, and what you see live is not the actual event but
virtual manifestation (Spiritual manifestation).

False on the other is false - like false accusations done purposely
to stir up fear and rumours about the market.

The world has been duped with their carnal knowledge to think that they
can measure things in space correctly. I do not need to study metaphysics
to know that as I came from a discipline that measure things in space,
we have error of measurement called fractal.

The FACT is they cannot express fractal or defined it or apply it in
financial markets, because the error cannot be covered up or averaged
out or approximated, if you base your trade on averages you abound to make
losses in the first place, because that thought that you need MACD, SMA
to do well is false implanted in people's mind. It is also false for people
to say training is uselesss to do well in the market.

But they say Science is based on fact, but how is scientific fact collected?
based on human assumptions in the laboratory. Science itself is not
based on fact but on human assumptions and theories. Can you reason
this through and through? Any knowledge based on human assumptions
are faulty, they may be good to ignorant people unless you are trained
to find out cover ups as with bad or defective products, drugs, toys
loaded with lead from China, etc, the world is just ignorant of
the cover up in scientific world.

These are the custodian of the world.....blind people leading
blind world in the name of science and covering up FACTS!
Here is example of statement of fact about human knowledge or
scientific knowledge:

Elliot Wave Theory was created by accountant /mathematician Ralph Nelson
in 1939. And in 2007, almost 70 years the market crashed again, after Nelson's world acclaimed invention. In the same 2007, Bloomberg reported that, major interbank players suffered the worst losses in human history, losing a total of $7.4 billion of their equity put together."

These losses comes from Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch,
Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. In other parts of the world companies
like Northern Rocks in the UK went bankrupt as well, while
Societal General lost about $7.2 billion.

This is a fact. These companies were marred by humanbeings with
scientific knowledge.........can you see the ignorant of the world
about what is science. Blind people leading the world and fighting
against FACT.

But can you find out a pattern in there?
(70 years, 2007, 7.2 Billion, 7.4 Billion). Science failed again
But the instructions are there on how how economic activities should
be carried out. Go to your Bible the answer is there, Number 7 is
the answer!

This is not RANDOM, because there was a pattern in 2002, 6 years back!
2007 was a year of rest and caution but what happened the world was
filled with greed and fear!

So I do not need to go to India to contribute to this thread dealing with
search for alternative knowledge as opposed to the failed scientific knowledge in forecasting market.

Scientists know that they only approximate or average out things
and that they have no accurate knowledge of how the universe
function that is why we have crazy idea like random walk or theory
Science and scientists have been able to cover up alot of things
with mathematical manipulations to come with wierd solutions.
It is only in financial markets they have failed to decieve the
rest of the world. They have no solution to it.

No. We are talking academics not vague religon, politics, scientific knowledge by people who do not even know what they are talking about. Indeed I am
perplexed like the name of the thread that people are calling Facts alls sort
of names like series of rants, tangents, trollings and accusations. I belive
that the more solution we have the better instead of throwing the truth out
of the window.

It's a closely guarded secret of such utter complexity that even the finest minds will be unable to crack the secret

I'll take a stab at it........

Novice?

baruch lol ?

i was hoping for a decent reply. i got one and i appreciate it. im no different than any of you. im just trying to get thru life in one piece and provide the best i can for my family and my kids future.

i try my best to live and do right by people friend or foe and teach my kids to do the same thing.

nothing more and nothing less.

jim

nah, got it, craig66

we never really fell out did we? - what got you banned?

If someone else can independently come to the same conclusion I tried to convey several times over there just might be something to it.

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I'd like to add in the same vein as Soultrader's attempt to word around this - regardless of the randomness, if you just take more than you leave, you end up net positive, regardless of "what it is".

That's it. Opinions are personal... It comes from your background, built on years of trading, and living. I just try to be open minded to hear all the divergence that come from other people, make my self-evaluation on it, discharge what I found useless and use what I find interesting. No one can make up my mind, but only me, and we should always be free to change sometimes. Random, not-random, predictable or not, Satan, whatever... just personal believing, and there are many "right" ways to see the same thing. Keep your mind open and your filters on...

Just in case, I'll keep my lill devil around

http://logo.cafepress.com/1/1015502.1817341.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/~olelo/shelties/starfish.html

ps. i do not know what aloha spirit is, and i like the poem for it's message:

"It makes a difference for this one!"

again, ... no live statements ...another day another dream....
Not even asking how they trade for that sacred info for $29.99.. please just a peak at all that prosperity? no takers? I thoughts so. But I can show you !.. See that bar.. look what happened when it broke north and came back and it happens everyday... I don't trade for a living but I certainly see a good system when I see one.
Look at my ea below... the perfect get in and get out... btw, I make millions..but I will sell it to you for only $99.99 ... but wait there is more!......For an additional $99.99 I will get you into my gold program where you can see my personal ASSISTANT TRADE FOR ME!.
ANd if your really nice, you can allow me to manage your money for an additonal 30% of the profit!.

Sounds like a fair deal, how do I subscribe ?????

Okay, since everyone has moaned about lack of constructive posts, here is my take:

It took me several months of trying out all the yucky stuff(from the MA crossovers to lord knows what other perverted stuff) to realize that it's all for naught and that I wanted something different. I hated having to obey a "signal" as if acting on a command.

So yes it's normal. It will last as long as you don't decide to settle on something and STICK TO IT. System hopping is highly detrimental to progress and won't allow you to get anywhere.

Indeed and imho there's a reason why candlestick / price action and naked trading is so common in prop firms or other professional trading endeavors.

Baddison and Diallist transformed this into something several people enjoy and trade over at the J16 site called the knife. It is actively discussed, developed and has video and live tutoring by Baddison. Please don't reply to this mention of the knife with torrents of "ohhh, evil paysite advertising".

I've had my own thread about Vegas here and followed his stuff once and hence I know that others took it up and moved with it. While Vegas scammed his subscribers and screwed everyone over and disappeared, the J16 mod is still here and still being traded live. This is simply reporting "what is".

Similiar to the free J16 thread - you COULD get all you need from the free PDFs and threads on both PA and the knife. You don't pay for systems, you pay for a very real, very alive community and support. If you don't think that has any value, don't attribute any to it in forms of money. Free choice.

Paying an after-school math tutor costs more(4 weeks of 2 hours per week e.g.). You also don't pay them for the math formulas but for their help and time.

Ask yourself what you want from trading in the first place and whether it's something you feel is attainable.
Ask yourself how your approach should be shaped and what you "want". I took to price action because it actually made the chart and it's reactions readable to me(or most of the time at least hehehehe) as opposed to trying to pretend it's a foreign language that needs indicator go-betweens for interpretation.

Never bought or read any books, instead I started with the free J16 thread here and spent endless hours on trying to understand and practice it.

Why?
And have you actually proven you can turn profit at all before putting your fate into the hands of what some people here have called "randomness"?
I'm just saying - realize what you are doing / want to be doing.
There is very real danger around.

Maybe some of this helped.

but wait there is more!. Still no statements.
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Several people have posted statements on this forum before, but people like tdion have consistently denied their reality simply by finding something about them. If you don't want to believe, you will always have a reason for denial.
No withdrawals, not long term enough, not this, not that...

Does it really matter? Anyone can photoshop anything together, it's the 21st century. Why you people pretend a statement has any relevance is beyond me. Benssol has been posting some of his trades several times over(an excerpt of one just now parallel to this "no statements" post ironically. Others include Phill ip Nel, that 1k -> 100k or what it was guy, Habeeb, some folks over at the J16 site, etc..all of course perfectly denyable if you just put up enough energy for it).

I expect the search function or actual perusal of FF is more work than typing "still no statements" everywhere and hoping that it's true, due diligence and research or not. Then again I doubt anything posted would ever fit the demanded criteria completely enough, as that's just how it works.
But heck. A proper unbeliever could have a rock fall on his head and still say gravity is just a theoretical construct and unproven. Which I'd agree with, it just doesn't stop the rocks from falling.

Anyways: what matters is being able to recognize, structure and react to setups in the market, not posting statements to a forum so "unbelievers" can get their rocks off disputing those in turn.
It's just more troll fodder, just one level further down the denial rabbit hole.

Everything is CHOICE - you either choose to believe and have things work for you, or you refuse and deny. Each will produce it's own outcome accordingly. That's just how it goes.

Just as soon as someone repeating day in and out he has no luck with women(instead of actually approaching them and working on himself) won't have very exciting evenings, so will saying FX can never work(instead of actually approaching it and working on himself) not produce you millions..

Gee whiz, cant a guy have some fun....Yes, I do believe the market is beatable or I wouldnt be spending my days at it. Its just a bi ch thats all some days....My take : I dont believe in folks doing manual "setups" . I think there is too much emotion. I would rather ea everthing to death and not think about all this mental crap.. folks say eas' don't work... well I will tell ya---- They do and they work just fine and I dont have to deal with the emotion.....
And its even funnier when everyone talkes about market setups... To me, its just up or down baby. The market doesnt tell me squat. ....

I would say it this way: Trading without first proving you can turn a profit is called Randomness.


Great post Seeking.

Care to give us an example?

an example or a sample? I gave you 2 screen prints. Those were ea's that I trade live.
Any trading system ... and I mean just about any can be automated. Times, pivots, stohchs, "bars", ...can be written down to extreme. Anything anyone talks about can be done and it doesnt take long. I dont care if you believe because I would nt sell it to you anyway and I won't give it away cause I had to work it a lot. My advise:
http://www.metatrader.info/node/34
http://www.forex-tsd.com/archive/index.php/f-6.html
http://elcactus.com/index.php?option...c2b0b0609fde2a
http://www.forexmt4.com/_MT4_Indicators/

then read then learn and then do! By the way, not one of the ea's is worth 2 sqirts of goat pee but youll figure that out. !

I had to respond to your post. Been a fOREX STUDENT FOR about 2 1/2 years, not calling myself a trader til recently - just learning, learning and more learning - flitting from this to that to try to find "my edge".

I think it took me a while to find out what works for me, and my lifestyle. I'm not a scalper I found out - in and out glued to charts - too stressful for me.

Jacko's thread helped me believe there could be a simpler way. AND recently the LFB posts have been great. I finally got the link between trading technically and fundamentally (I didn't want to have to know the news) but now I'm finally getting the understanding of how to integrate the two without having to search all over for what's going on. I don't think Forex is easy, but with people to draw from that have been trading for over 15 years as mentors, and insights I never would have known about the "big boy" banks and institutions, developing a trading plan and sticking to it is helping IMMENSELY. I heard a trader recently say kotanga "keep on trucking and never ever give up."

Recently learning what elements to put in a trade plan and getting that together has given me a structure to follow - not trying to "guess" where the markets going - but you know the criteria you are looking for and do your best to make a choice - stay out when it's not clear. ANYHOW - I'm not giving up & as many traders at FF will tell you - hang in there. It will come together check out the things I mentioned.