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Note to people needing a coder

  • #1
  • First Post: Apr 15, 2008 5:07pm Apr 15, 2008 5:07pm
Over the past week or so I have been contacted by two different people with stolen code(decompiled ex4's) asking me to make modifications.

I will not work on anything that is obtained in this way so please dont contact me if thats the way you operate.

If you have to steal in order to be successful your pretty pathetic in my opinion!!

ps. honest people are always welcome
Thanks, Damian Burrowes
  • #2
  • Apr 15, 2008 5:31pm Apr 15, 2008 5:31pm
Man I agree with you completely. It is a real scum bag that decompiles Copyrighted code. It is just another form of theft.
  • #3
  • Apr 15, 2008 5:53pm Apr 15, 2008 5:53pm
Quoting smjones
Man I agree with you completely. It is a real scum bag that decompiles Copyrighted code. It is just another form of theft.
So, if you bought the EA's and decided to decompile it, does that make you a thief or scumbag?

In that case, if you paid for a car, bicycle, and then took it apart to tweak it, does that make you a thief and scumbag ??? :surprised
  • #4
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:07pm Apr 15, 2008 6:07pm
Quoting Schminner
So, if you bought the EA's and decided to decompile it, does that make you a thief or scumbag?

In that case, if you paid for a car, bicycle, and then took it apart to tweak it, does that make you a thief and scumbag ??? :surprised
Read up on copyright law. Any time you change the original work you are violating the law, unless you have the specific permission of the author. So I stand by my statement. A person purchasing a COPY of the work does NOT own the rights to the work
  • #5
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:33pm Apr 15, 2008 6:33pm
Quoting smjones
Read up on copyright law. Any time you change the original work you are violating the law, unless you have the specific permission of the author. So I stand by my statement. A person purchasing a COPY of the work does NOT own the rights to the work
You're probably right, but laws are made to be broken ...
  • #6
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:33pm Apr 15, 2008 6:33pm
if you acquire it legally and you are not re-distributing it or reselling it , or profitting from it as your own. I think you can do what you want to it. IMO
  • #7
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:37pm Apr 15, 2008 6:37pm
Quoting trader101
if you acquire it legally and you are not re-distributing it or reselling it , or profitting from it as your own. I think you can do what you want to it. IMO
That, I agree .... re-distributing, and profiting from that can make you a scumbag ... but, taking what you own apart should not be illegal ...
  • #8
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:47pm Apr 15, 2008 6:47pm
Quoting Schminner
That, I agree .... re-distributing, and profiting from that can make you a scumbag ... but, taking what you own apart should not be illegal ...
Without knowing exactly what code is being requested to be "decompiled", I'm pretty sure that the contract agreed to would be explicit on Who Owns it. {read fine print here}
  • #9
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:51pm Apr 15, 2008 6:51pm
Here's another question, what if you purchased an EA that's suppose to work accordingly, but does not ... You asked for a refund, but seller will not give it. You asked the EA's to be tweaked, but seller/author will not do so.

You de-compile the useless EA and tweaked so that you can make a few pips (profiting), does that still make the buyer a thief and scumbag ???

  • #10
  • Apr 15, 2008 6:58pm Apr 15, 2008 6:58pm
Quoting Schminner
Here's another question, what if you purchased an EA that's suppose to work accordingly, but does not ... You asked for a refund, but seller will not give it. You asked the EA's to be tweaked, but seller/author will not do so.

You de-compile the useless EA and tweaked so that you can make a few pips (profiting), does that still make the buyer a thief and scumbag ???

My mama always said to wrongs don't make a right. No dice on that one.
  • #11
  • Apr 15, 2008 7:00pm Apr 15, 2008 7:00pm
Quoting smjones
My mama always said to wrongs don't make a right. No dice on that one.
Two wrongs probably won't make a right, but two negatives together will become a positive ....
  • #12
  • Apr 15, 2008 7:01pm Apr 15, 2008 7:01pm
I’ve been involved in the software development industry since 1979, and I’ve been caught up in plenty of ‘who owns the source code?’ type scenarios. Where I live (New Zealand), the legal position is ultimately determined by the license agreement, i.e. whether the user is purchasing the product outright, or merely a license to use it, and then possibly within certain constraints.

A lot of applications are functionally complex and users have no way of knowing, pre-purchase, how well the software will meet their (possibly evolving) requirement. I've been on the receiving end of this kind of misunderstanding on more than one occasion. Again it raises the issue of liability: was it the developer's (vendor's), or the buyer's, responsibility to esnure that the application is, in legal terms, fit for the use it was originally purchased for? An impossible question to answer, since intentions as to what the 'requirements' were are normally very vague, and even less provable.

Given all of this complication, then from an ethical (rather than legal) standpoint, I don’t have a problem with users customizing, or modifying, a product to make it more suitable for their own personal use, provided that: (1) they do so entirely at their own risk (i.e. any obligations of warranty or support are forfeited), (2) they don’t distribute the modified version, (3) they are not doing so for the purpose of their own commercial gain, and (4) that in their doing so, they are not depriving the developer of potential future commercial gain. But that's just my personal view.

As a developer myself, I guess I tend to side with the developer’s standpoint, but I understand that users can find themselves in an awkward situation where mission-critical software may be in need of urgent modification (Y2K was a good example a few years ago) but the developer is either unavailable, or charges an unreasonably high amount to have the software modified, since he effectively has the user ‘over a barrel’.

Kudos (and I mean technological, as opposed to ethical) to anybody who does manage to decompile executable code. It’s no mean feat.

David
  • #13
  • Apr 16, 2008 7:12am Apr 16, 2008 7:12am
Quoting smjones
My mama always said to wrongs don't make a right. No dice on that one.
So if you get ripped off, as many often do, then it's not ok to try to recover somthing.

I think the scumbags (I'm sure you agree) are the ones out there selling software that will only blow your account.

Here's some questions... when I installed MT4, I recieved many mq4 files that have this at the beginning: "Copyright 2006, MetaQuotes Software Corp."

If I look at their code, then code my own indicator using only what I've seen and learned, or even by cut/paste and then modify as needed, to save re-typing, then am I a thief?

What if I modify one of those files to the point where it does something completely different, and remove their copyright statement and save it under a new name?

Do I have to start a program completely from scratch rather than using one that's already coded, and use nothing I've seen, in order to not be stealing?

If not, where is the line?
  • #14
  • Edited 8:39am Apr 16, 2008 8:26am | Edited 8:39am
I actually wrote a very long response to this, but after thinking it over for a while, I deleted the post. I have nothing more to add to my statement already. I'm done here. Do what you think you can justify. I will not be posting anymore of my code, though. I suppose we have different values and beliefs about right and wrong. As I think about it, I think a person's sense of honesty must be driven by their own individual internal moral compass. I can't know what someone else's compass is calibrated to.
  • #15
  • Apr 16, 2008 2:10pm Apr 16, 2008 2:10pm
Quoting smjones
I actually wrote a very long response to this, but after thinking it over for a while, I deleted the post. I have nothing more to add to my statement already. I'm done here. Do what you think you can justify. I will not be posting anymore of my code, though. I suppose we have different values and beliefs about right and wrong. As I think about it, I think a person's sense of honesty must be driven by their own individual internal moral compass. I can't know what someone else's compass is calibrated to.
This is one of the main reasons i dont post here very often. My veiws dont seem to match many of the members here.
Thanks, Damian Burrowes
  • #16
  • Apr 16, 2008 2:40pm Apr 16, 2008 2:40pm
[quote=smjones;1954343]I actually wrote a very long response to this, but after thinking it over for a while, I deleted the post. I have nothing more to add to my statement already. I'm done here. Do what you think you can justify. I will not be posting anymore of my code, though. I suppose we have different values and beliefs about right and wrong. As I think about it, I think a person's sense of honesty must be driven by their own individual internal moral compass. I can't know what someone else's compass is calibrated to.[/quote]

In the Forex market, it's you against everyone else ... when you win, someone else loses ... therefore, you gotta do what you gotta do to beat everyone else in the market .... otherwise, just hand over the money and things would be easy ... moral compass ??? I'm not quite sure if there's one in this zero-sum game ...
  • #17
  • Apr 18, 2008 5:54am Apr 18, 2008 5:54am
How about this one?

//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
//| UniversalMACrossEA.mq4 |
//| Copyright 2006, firedave |
//| Partial Function Copyright 2006, codersguru |
//| Partial Function Copyright 2006, pengie |
//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
#property copyright "Copyright 2006, firedave"

Hmmmmm......

What about all the code downloaded from websites like this one? Isn't every upload / download a copyright violation?
  • #18
  • Apr 18, 2008 7:44am Apr 18, 2008 7:44am
Just do the best thing you can do! We can not blame on some assumptions and moral/ethic in this world.

If you do a good thing you do it for your self, and otherwise. Let see, how much you've got from what you have done so far.

If you think you are the good guy, or want to be. Remember it, riches is not counting on how much you collect, but how much you gave.

If you think you dare to be the bad guy, just do what you want to do! Forget all of those ethics etc.

BTW for blueruby, both codersguru and firedave are my friends who dedicate some scripts, indicators, and EA in internet. They are honest people. They share and re-use each other codes for some more greater purposes.

Happy Trading & Good Luck!
Keep your hands up, and use your pant! - FxMatics
  • #19
  • Apr 18, 2008 1:18pm Apr 18, 2008 1:18pm
Quoting syanwar
Just do the best thing you can do! We can not blame on some assumptions and moral/ethic in this world.

If you do a good thing you do it for your self, and otherwise. Let see, how much you've got from what you have done so far.

If you think you are the good guy, or want to be. Remember it, riches is not counting on how much you collect, but how much you gave.

If you think you dare to be the bad guy, just do what you want to do! Forget all of those ethics etc.

BTW for blueruby, both codersguru and firedave are my friends who dedicate some scripts, indicators, and EA in internet. They are honest people. They share and re-use each other codes for some more greater purposes.

Happy Trading & Good Luck!
That's a great philosophy, but if you don't collect you won't have any to give ... Therefore, please give it to me to collect, then I will give later ....
  • #20
  • Apr 18, 2008 2:05pm Apr 18, 2008 2:05pm
A thief proud to be a thief
Makes me wonder
What's next : a killer proud to be a killer?

Quoting Schminner
That's a great philosophy, but if you don't collect you won't have any to give ... Therefore, please give it to me to collect, then I will give later ....
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