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  • #881
  • Apr 12, 2008 7:02am Apr 12, 2008 7:02am
[quote=Dxeechk;1948189]
Quoting flyingdawg
Be honest, come clean, and refund the 1/2 subscription money!!!
More importantly, let's not forget that this request still pertains to Jason. So Jason, man up and refund us 1/2 the subscription money.
  • #882
  • Apr 12, 2008 7:17am Apr 12, 2008 7:17am
Quoting usatrader
Thank you very much, Jason, for the refund . Finally you live up to your word 'intregity'. You have done the right thing !!! I am sure you have worked out the money matter with your ex-partner, your employees, your helpers and who ever that has taken money from PS account, afterall, you are the boss of pipsnipers.

Glad that this drama comes to end, with just one single decision from you, Jason, 'to refund all the members', '. Now we dont need to blast at Jane, Clint, Kinn anymore. I am sure all the members will remove their curses on you and your family, and you can go on with your normal happy life again, how sweet !!! You are the man, with just one single decision from you,' REFUND ', this thread will closed down very soon !!

Hope that we all will receice our $325 in a week time, if not, the curses will be double, lol, just kidding !!!!

One last thing...... Jason.......'French Connection U.K.' You !!!!!!!
when i first started reading this post , i went straight to my email thinking there was one from Jason saying we're getting our money back!
  • #883
  • Apr 12, 2008 7:27am Apr 12, 2008 7:27am
Quoting usatrader
Is that for your March subs, or April subs ??
it is for March. i only signed up for March.
  • #884
  • Apr 12, 2008 7:50am Apr 12, 2008 7:50am
If you want to contact Jane and discuss any of what transpired in PS, her email is ([email protected]).

She's been banned from here so can't voice her side of things. If you're a bootlicker for either parties, you may not like what she has to say!
  • #885
  • Edited 8:48am Apr 12, 2008 8:43am | Edited 8:48am
Quoting pipette4x
If you want to contact Jane and discuss any of what transpired in PS, her email is ([email protected]).

She's been banned from here so can't voice her side of things. If you're a bootlicker for either parties, you may not like what she has to say!
I believe she was given the opportunity in all fairness and due process to voice her side of the story but she chose not to.
Humble Lifetime Member
  • #886
  • Apr 12, 2008 9:29am Apr 12, 2008 9:29am
Quoting abcd
FER is another alias of Kinn/ Hakuna.....

this guy is dodgy...read all the recent posts by Fer.....really makes me sick this scam. good luck all in getting back your $$

http://www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=36427

How many aliases does he have??

Funny how he was sucking up to Hosea. LOL

Kinn you dirty scammer!!

Go to Hades!!
  • #887
  • Edited 10:01am Apr 12, 2008 9:37am | Edited 10:01am
Quoting usatrader
And........as usual, Jason, fcuk you !!!!!!!!!!
I agree, FC*K YOU JASON, you ugly fat money grabbing scamming bastard. If you think you can deflect criticism that easily you're sadly mistaken.

Jason is a sole owner of PS and took in more money than anyone and is now hiding behind Hosea and planning his next scamming venture, he's done this before and he'll do it again, he is a cold hearted serial scammer. He wont even show his face in public or reply to emails because he's such a f**king coward.

Say what you like about Kinn, but at least he has opened a free room and is trying to bring people pips as some form of recompense for Jason's decision to kick him out of PS. He also takes all the sh1t that should be equally directed at Jason and his 'mod squad' that have all gone into hiding. Personally I wouldn't want even $2m if that meant being associated with Jason and taking sh1t on a daily basis, what Kinn does with his share of the ill gotten gains is a matter for him and the karma gods. Did Kinn know about Jason's long history of scamming people? I doubt it, was Kinn blinded by the $$$ too? Probably, but I think his intentions were honest, I think he wanted to make people pips without knowing the history of his 'partner'. Jason was all about the money, he didn't give a shit about our accounts, hence entering hundreds of people into countless -100 pip trades whilst he was trading demo knowing full well he cannot trade a dough nut.

The truth of the matter, they had a great business model and decided to trash it in a moment of madness, you're a f**king idiot Jay and you know it. Jason saw all the money coming in a wanted that all for himself next month, and the month after, the trouble with charlatans like JASON is the fact they eventually believe their own bullsh*t, he obviously believed he was some form of hot shot trader and he didn't need anyone else, especially with his army of retarded bootlickers stroking his ego, but after -300 pips in a matter of days even Jason had to wake up to the fact he's a f**king idiot that cannot trade to save his life, hence the reason he's now climbing up Hosea's ass (run a million miles from this scammer, kid)

Where's the refunds Jason? You own the business, it's all in your own name, you should at least know from your FX Trainer scamming days that you should at least have incorporated the business for when you shut it down and start up your next scamming venture.

I hope they come after you for all you've got, how you can look your wife in the eyes or sleep at night knowing you're a dirty little scammer is anyone's guess, if you really think you honestly earned the $400k sitting in your accounts then you're in f**king denial. You stole all that money from honest people that have to work for a living, many of which don't have much to begin with. Karma will come after your sorry ass in ways you cannot imagine.

But still that's not enough, you want to scam again by using Hosea, why the f**k does he even need you? The kid is clever and quite capable of setting up his own service, WTF do you add apart from greed and a really f**king bad reputation? One that stinks like a rotten rat.

Finally, I'm with USA Trader, F**K YOU JASON. I know you're reading this you ugly ***er. Even with $1m you'll still be the same scamming little f****r, people like you don't change. This thread is right up there on Google, I hope any future employer or partner reads this when searching for JASON DEAL, your kids will read this one day knowing full well what their father was like, I bet your family is so proud.

Anyway, apart from that I have no strong feeling eitherway, good luck to all the former PS members, I hope you trade well.
  • #888
  • Apr 12, 2008 10:05am Apr 12, 2008 10:05am
Quoting sniped
Anyway, apart from that I have no strong feeling eitherway, good luck to all the former PS members, I hope you trade well.
Too funny. but your rage should be also directed at Kinn too. he's not completely innocent in all this. is the blame 50-50? i don't think so, more goes toward Jason than Kinn, but both are to blame somewhat, and both should return the money to the members.
  • #889
  • Apr 12, 2008 10:10am Apr 12, 2008 10:10am
Quoting pipette4x
Too funny. but your rage should be also directed at Kinn too. he's not completely innocent in all this. is the blame 50-50? i don't think so, more goes toward Jason than Kinn, but both are to blame somewhat, and both should return the money to the members.
I agree, the money should be returned regardless of where's it's now sitting (mainly with Jason). At least Kinn hasn't gone into hiding like the rest, what has Jason done to make things better? f*** all.

I want nothing more for all of them to redeem themselves (I hope you've donated your McDonalds salary Jane, or at least set it aside for a good lawyer). If Jason was honest he'd open up Hosea's room for a month so people can at least try and bank some positive pips and repair the damage done to their accounts.
  • #890
  • Apr 12, 2008 11:31am Apr 12, 2008 11:31am
Quoting sniped
I agree, the money should be returned regardless of where's it's now sitting (mainly with Jason). At least Kinn hasn't gone into hiding like the rest, what has Jason done to make things better? f*** all.

I want nothing more for all of them to redeem themselves (I hope you've donated your McDonalds salary Jane, or at least set it aside for a good lawyer). If Jason was honest he'd open up Hosea's room for a month so people can at least try and bank some positive pips and repair the damage done to their accounts.

My guess is that Jason has somehow changed ownership of PS /Hosea's service over to Hosea in an effort to avoid payback/prosecution. I'm also damn sure that whatever he's done he's somehow taking most of the profits from Hosea in the process. Not sure how he could legally perform this feat, but don't forget that he learned from one of the biggest POS forex scammers around, Zoltan Vass.
  • #891
  • Apr 12, 2008 11:35am Apr 12, 2008 11:35am
Quoting sniped
I agree, the money should be returned regardless of where's it's now sitting (mainly with Jason). At least Kinn hasn't gone into hiding like the rest, what has Jason done to make things better? f*** all..
no kinn hasn't gone into hiding, but what has he admitted to or discussed? i haven't gone into his room because that's not my style of trading but from what i hear, he won't discuss it. i'm sure it's screwing up his trading because people want answers.

Quoting sniped
I want nothing more for all of them to redeem themselves (I hope you've donated your McDonalds salary Jane, or at least set it aside for a good lawyer)...
Ive said this before, this issue we all have falls solely on kinn and jason. Jane, Clint, Jen, April, Chuck and Dan worked for Jason, nothing more, so our battles are with the 'partners' not the employees. let's face it, if you worked for someone and found out they were shady and quit, would you be obligated to return your wages? no, so why should any of them.

Quoting sniped
If Jason was honest he'd open up Hosea's room for a month so people can at least try and bank some positive pips and repair the damage done to their accounts.
Hosea doesn't work for Jason so Hosea owes us nothing. frankly, why would he open it up for a month? to save Jason's butt? not his problem, but it would be nice if he did to give a trial period to assess his abilities.
  • #892
  • Apr 12, 2008 11:36am Apr 12, 2008 11:36am
Quoting Chuck7070
My guess is that Jason has somehow changed ownership of PS /Hosea's service over to Hosea in an effort to avoid payback/prosecution.
Maybe, but it doesn't work like that :-

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84599&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
  • #893
  • Apr 12, 2008 11:39am Apr 12, 2008 11:39am
Quoting Chuck7070
My guess is that Jason has somehow changed ownership of PS /Hosea's service over to Hosea in an effort to avoid payback/prosecution. I'm also damn sure that whatever he's done he's somehow taking most of the profits from Hosea in the process. Not sure how he could legally perform this feat, but don't forget that he learned from one of the biggest POS forex scammers around, Zoltan Vass.
I agree with the first part of what you wrote about putting it all in Hosea's name, but man i hope your wrong about the rest what does this say about Hosea if he can be duped after reading this thread, which he has. So hopefully Hosea managed to take advantage of Jason's predicament.
  • #894
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:10pm Apr 12, 2008 12:10pm
Quoting sniped
Maybe, but it doesn't work like that :-

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84599&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
And this quote taken from the same article you posted: " However, fraudsters have been able to escape CFTC action by designing contracts that fall outside many court-defined definitions of a futures contract."

All I'm saying that if there is a legal loophole Jason may know about it and have already executed it...

I want Jason punished as much as anyone here, but the fact is we still don't know what he really is up to.
  • #895
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:14pm Apr 12, 2008 12:14pm
I have spoken to pipchick via email. She needed time to get herself together after the bashing she has taken on this thread. Most of you know me as honorable and trustworthy. Let me say this. I BELIEVE PIPCHICK!!!!!!! She has allowed me to post this email that she sent to me and hopefully you guys will have a better understanding of what went down in pipscammers/pipsnipers. Let me say this, JASON YOU ARE A COMPLETE CONMAN. YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN. IT IS NOT TOO LATE TO REPENT AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU! This is the email:


Hi


Boy what a roller coaster this was for Jen and I. I don’t believe that Kinn and Jason purposefully set out to scam anyone. They just thought that with their abilities, there was a lot of money to be made for them.

I joined the room when it was free and was asked by them to be a mod. They were familiar with me through my posts on FF. It was a great concept. The first 2 weeks of the paid room went well. But behind the scenes, I was having difficulties with Kinn and his abruptness. He wanted to just share trades and do no teaching. I wanted to teach also. Kinn’s personality was to be very direct, which I was uncomfortable with. I also didn’t always agree with his trades but it was very difficult to tell Kinn so. There was more than one occasion where Clint and i tried to tell kinn to not take a trade but he did so anyways. after they turned out to be losers, he'd just hang up on us then go bitch to jason

Jason decided, for his own reasons, to ban kinn from the room. Afterall, he was the sole owner of the business. Well those of us behind the scenes felt that things would get back on track with Kinn gone and we’d be the great trading team that we had hoped for. I even asked my trading partner to join.

Well things didn’t go so well even after Kinn left. We didn’t agree with some of Jason’s trades. We also didn’t like the boasting he was doing, nor the excuses he gave for no trades. Meanwhile, we were making pips behind the scenes, trades that weren’t being shared with the room. After over a week of no trades shared in the room, after he told everyone that we weren't going to take anymore gj trades, jason traded it behind the scenes. Jen and I were telling him of some setups on other pairs, such as the yen and the swiss but he was busy trading his own account. Jen called him on it and said " Jason don't you think you should be looking at trades for members instead of trading for yourself?"

The next day Jen and I told him that we wanted to share our trades from now on and try to make some pips for everyone. But let me tell you, this is a big undertaking since I felt so much responsibility for my trades. But I knew we were good traders so with time we’de do well with sharing our trades.

But then I read the posts at FF and wondered about some of these business dealings Jason had been involved with in the past and I just wasn’t comfortable with the whole way things were progressing in the room either. I didn’t agree with banning people, I didn’t agree with not refunding people who requested it. Afterall many joined because of Kinn. The last week there, I was told that members were going to be refunded, only to hear him then say in the room that there were going to be no refunds. As much as I wanted to help people learn to trade, I just didn’t want to be associated with Jason anymore. I had a problem with Jason bringing hosea on board so quickly right before the end of the month to lure members into paying for april and beyond.

My timing for quitting sucked. I wish I had done it a week before but it was the last week when the previous businesses of Jason came to light. I felt bad for anyone that signed up because of me and Jen, only to have us quit at the end of the month.

I believe both Kinn and Jason are to blame, both are responsible to refund everyone. I have reason to believe they have spent the money and that’s why they can’t refund anyone. ( Clint and I were on skype with Jason when he was talking to the bank trying to stop one of the wires to Kinn so that’s how I know Kinn did receive money) I made 2k while at pipsnipers , I pride myself on being ethical, a good trader and also in trying to help people so I hope some of you benefited from my knowledge and experience. I’m just sorry how this all ended.

Kate

PS…There is more that I could say but I really don’t want to get involved with legal matters with them so I need to choose my words carefully.
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  • #896
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:18pm Apr 12, 2008 12:18pm
Quoting usatrader
Thank you very much, Jason, for the refund....One last thing...... Jason.......'French Connection U.K.' You !!!!!!!
Kinn or Manny or whatever Shah relative you are, go away! Stop typing your crap in here! Just give back 1/2 of the stolen money that you kept in your pre-ordained plan to be a "successful business man and make $150K in three months"! We'll worry about getting the other 1/2 from Jason.
  • #897
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:22pm Apr 12, 2008 12:22pm
Quoting pipette4x
Too funny. but your rage should be also directed at Kinn too. he's not completely innocent in all this. is the blame 50-50? i don't think so, more goes toward Jason than Kinn, but both are to blame somewhat, and both should return the money to the members.
Pippette4x, Sniped can't focus rage at HIMSELF! Sniped is just Kinn or Manny or another Shah relative. Just read his wording....it is the same crap as all of his other alias posts. The same expletives, the same "business model" claims... How hilarious is Kinn's/Manny's/Shah's attempts to save their keester!!!
  • #898
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:34pm Apr 12, 2008 12:34pm
Quoting moneymagnet
I have spoken to pipchick via email....I BELIEVE PIPCHICK!!!!!!! She has allowed me to post this email that she sent to me and hopefully you guys will have a better understanding of what went down in pipscammers/pipsnipers. Let me say this, JASON YOU ARE A COMPLETE CONMAN. YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN. IT IS NOT TOO LATE TO REPENT AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU! This is the email:....

MoneyMagnet, You have ALWAYS been an upstanding person in the trade room and seem to stand for what is right and fair. Thank you for sharing Jane's email...it helps me to wrap my brain around things a little better. Jane, thank you for going out on a limb and setting the record straight. You have taken an unnecessary and unwarranted beating in here and I hope that you are able to recover emotionally. Do what you do best and don't let the Kinn's and Jason's of the world bring you down!!! Their day is coming and the clock is ticking faster and faster!!!

  • #899
  • Apr 12, 2008 12:39pm Apr 12, 2008 12:39pm
Quoting Dxeechk
MoneyMagnet, You have ALWAYS been an upstanding person in the trade room and seem to stand for what is right and fair. Thank you for sharing Jane's email...it helps me to wrap my brain around things a little better. Jane, thank you for going out on a limb and setting the record straight. You have taken an unnecessary and unwarranted beating in here and I hope that you are able to recover emotionally. Do what you do best and don't let the Kinn's and Jason's of the world bring you down!!! Their day is coming and the clock is ticking faster and faster!!!

Thank you much appreciated
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  • #900
  • Apr 12, 2008 1:02pm Apr 12, 2008 1:02pm
Yeah...good job MM. I had conversed with her by PM earlier, so I am glad she let you post "the truth" from "behind the scenes".
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