Forex Signals, to Follow or Not (Pipsnipers) ...

Wow nice work. I knew Kinn sounded like an Asian. And here Jason was calling him an African.

The problem I see with your "equation of success" here, fxtiger2001, is that most normal people do not have the forebearing to dream up a scam wherein they take $143K from innocent victims over the course of three months (start to finish), as was the case with Kinn (we truly don't even know how much Jason/PS took in - we only have the amounts that were given to Kinn, unfortunately). Most normal folks are hard working and expect that others with whom they interact are of the same nature. I guess in this case, you are clearly identifying with and that Kinn (and Manny and Jason) intentionally set out to defraud folks of their hard earned money as they had dillusions of grandeur. Fxtiger2001, the proper term for folks like this is not SUCCESSFUL....it is PREDATOR!!!

I was just browsing through this thread and saw that users were banned because of ip address being the same as one of the ps scammers. The question that I ask though is : What if the same free proxy server is being used by different persons, wouldn't there ip address show up as the same?

Just a thought.

Anyway, I hope you guys all file your complaints to the relevant authorities and recover your money from these tricksters.

Bless

I obviously have watched this whole mess unfold before my eyes as I was a paid PS subscriber and have now been in Kinn's room observing his trading in more detail. My life is not going to be greatly affected by the $325 I paid and the losses I took. However, Kinn's life may be changed forever in ways that he could never have imagined if he does not immediately do the right and honorable thing. I am writing this to Kinn in the hope that it is still possible for him to save himself from the potential harm that he may be bringing upon himself. I listened to Kinn today in his room as he explained his two weeks of losing trades (yes, even though the tracker shows 158 positive pips that is before commissions on the 68 trades it took to capture those pips, so the net result is a loss). Kinn said: "My mind has been disturbed this week. I have to get back on track. All that PS stuff. I have to get my head wrapped around that. I have to clear my head this weekend." When I heard that I thought, well maybe he does have a conscience and it is bothering him. I also thought, well even if it's not a conscience, then karma is really working against him as he piles up the losing trades. But regardless, I believe in redemption and I think Kinn still has a small window of opportunity to extracate himself from this mess. Based on my review of his trade journal (as he insisted we do to see how he trades, his results, and to entice us to subscribe to PS) it seems clear that Kinn used to enjoy trading and appeared to be profiting greatly from it. But then he fell under the spell of Jason Deal. My gut tells me that Kinn did not go into this with the intention of scamming us. Instead, he saw increased riches through signing up hundreds of subscribers. That was an acceptable business goal. And it worked as Jason and Kinn clearly took in well in excess of a quarter of a million dollars in just a few weeks. They clearly were partners in that business. There is no disputing that. Kinn (Hatari) wrote above about how he could sue Jason for defamation and loss of business opportunity. Well Kinn, that is a clear admission that you were a partner with Jason because only a partner could sue for loss of business opportunity. If you were just an employee, you could not make such a claim. Jason may have taken advantage of you by kicking you out of PS but he did at least send you $143,000 when he did so. Actually, that may be one the only "honest" things Jason ever did. But that money was from subscribers who never received the services they paid for. So how can you believe, in your conscience and your soul, that you deserve that money? You obviously are not able to believe that because you admitted today that you can't even concentrate on your trading because you are so bothered by the PS mess. Kinn, you can fix this and lift the weight of this burden off of your shoulders--just return the money to the subscribers. You have our email addresses. Send out a mass email and offer a refund for one-half of our subscriptions since you got one half of the subscription proceeds. Then you will be free. You can go back to your trading and prosper. God and karma will no longer be working against you. Trading will be a joy again and not a burden that you have to face each day with failure almost guaranteed because of the bad karma. What did you do with the money Kinn? Did you buy something extravagant? A car? Real estate? What? Whatever it was, you will never be able to enjoy it because it was obtained with tainted money and the bad karma associated with that will linger forever UNLESS you do the right thing. And you can afford to do so Kinn. Your journal shows you profiting by over 3,000 pips in one month and 4,000 pips the next month. So all you have to do is to use an average of those months, makes 3,500 positive pips in one month, and according to what you told us this week, trading just one percent of your account allows you to trade 6 standard lots, so you could make $210,000 in just one month of trading the way you did in your journal. So based on that, it should take you less than 3 weeks to make back the $143,000 you should pay back to us. Why not do that Kinn? Otherwise, your entire life is about to be destroyed. Do you think you will be allowed to retain your dental license if you are convicted of felony fraud? I don't think so. So you are putting your true profession at risk. Do you think you would not be sentenced to prison for engaging in such fraud? Think otherwise. But even more importantly, is that what you want your family, friends, and others to see--you being charged with and convicted of fraud? What would your child think of your actions? Would she be proud of her father? What will everyone think when they read about your actions in the local newspapers and you get to see the reports on your local television. It's just not worth it Kinn. Some of the PS subscribers scraped together their subscriptions from meager assets or borrowed money they didn't have to pay the subscription based on promises made by you and Jason. They trusted you and put their faith in you. Most did so based on your journal and the promises of 1,000 pips even in a bad month. For whatever reason, Kinn, you could not and still cannot deliver on any of those promises. But you, on the other hand, profited greatly. I think you opened this free room to try to alleviate some of your own guilt but it is not working. Do the right thing Kinn and save yourself and your family from the financial failure, shame, and embarassment that is coming your way. I will always believe that you did not enter into this venture with bad intentions but that the huge amounts of money that rolled in ultimately caused you to act in a dishonorable way. You still have time to undo that damage but your time is running out. Please Kinn, for your own sake, do the right thing. The price you will pay otherwise is simply unimagineable.

I really have nothing else to say about any of this. I will watch this drama play out. I hope it can have at least an acceptable, if not a happy, ending for all involved.

i've given up watching soaps on TV, this is much better. i've never been so entertained by twists and turns. you couldn't make this crap up.

[quote=flyingdawg;1948027]I obviously have watched this whole mess unfold before my eyes as ....end quote]

Very well said, Flyingdawg! Kinn, do the honorable thing if you are an honorable person. If not, then the whole FOREX world will know. Don't mess with karma....can't you feel it?


I will give you until the end of the weekend to make contact (in a mass email as you did when you first left PS) to initiate Flyingdawg's request for 1/2 of the subscription money paid to you. If I have not heard from you by Sunday midnight, PST, I will move forward with serious intent to bring justice to the forefront. Do you really want Mahi and Bhavini to visit you behind bars?

Be honest, come clean, and refund the 1/2 subscription money!!!

I absolutely support you position in this matter.

P.S.
The only silver lining in this whole sorry mess has been crossing paths with people like you two. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to know you.

There really are good and decent people in the world. It is just too bad that the few knuckleheads that are there mess it up for the rest of us! It's good to know you, too, Lazytrader!

Hi everyone, seems like everybody is hiding their identities to post here, well.... usatrader is back !!!! Haha !!!

At first, posts here were all pointing at Jason, then Jane, and now is Kinn. Lol

I want a refund, no doubt, who doesnt want extra $325 to spend !!! The person that we should chase after is Jason Deal ( he is the sole owner of PS ), not Jane or Kinn. Jason is the one that makes the decision weather to refund or not. if Jason ( PS ) decided to refund the $$$, then we can after Jane for her Mcdonald's salary and Kinn for the 100k+ ( all $$ thats PS collected from members ) If Jason decided to refund, I am sure all the mods and Kinn will have to give back the money taken from PS

So, Jason, are you going to refund the $$ ?? Or keep asking your friends ( or even yourself ) to post here and point the arrow to Kinn. So, Jason, is all down to you and back to you, you can only fools those bootlickers of yours, by playing this trick ( posts that blasting Kinn ). Even no refund, at least do something to cover our lost ( like what Kinn is doing now, free month ) Instead you are trying to squeeze more out of members ( pay 1 get 2 ) knowing PS is closing down.

One last thing to you, Jason, fcuk you !!!!

We have two choice... we get together to fight against Jason and all the pip snipers team ... or we try to do it by our self? If someone knows a place where we can send money`` a reputable place where they fight things like the pip snipers`with laywers like we need ...that know those kind of buisiness we really need to get together to get some justice and i'M shure it's possible... I f nobody come with a proposal I will make my own investigation and came with something that everybody could support an take action against Jason and Kinn... I think it'S the the way to go and we should all get togheter and if you have any idea about this feel free to post it on this forum!!!!

No way!!!! Jason is not going with my money HE will refund me ther is no other solution... I willl not accept this I will fight against this until I have my money back like all off those that were in the pip sniper mess and I invite you to be part of my combat against Jason and Kinn. We will make a collective appeal and I will give all the refund to all of those that were part of the pip sniper... support me if you beleive in me because i'm tired of all this shit and I want Jason to pay for wath he did if we get all togheter we will find a way to get him behind the bars for the rest of his life and thats what he deserve....

Seems to me most people are annoyed that they lost money and if they got their money back all will be well. Correct?

Well simple:

1. Call your bank and say the transaction was a fraud. The bank/credit card company will reverse the transaction there and then. It is then up to the merchant (pipsnipers) to prove to the bank/ccc that the transaction was in fact valid and legit and the services offered were provided (which we all know he can not do) thus you get to keep your money. Simple. It is an issue between the bank and ps.

2. If you used paypal make a complaint to paypal. If they dont help you go back to your bank/cccc and say you want to dispute the paypal trans and they again will refund in 5 seconds.

The amount of time this all takes is a lot less then some of you have spent typing on this forum.

Just learn your lesson and move on simple as that. All this revenge stuff and suing people is stupid and a waste of time. Karma will take care of everyone whether it be in bad trades or some other way, it won't let the issue go.

So to summarise:

1. Call your bank and get your money back.
2. Join kinns room and see if you like it.
3. Join hoseas room and see if you like it.
4. If you are such a great trader and dont need either of them (like several ppl in here have said) then sorry to say but YOU are the biggest joke of all. Because you actually joined/paid for PS in the first place. Why do that if your such a good trader?

Hindsight traders really crack me up. For all those people who can make 40-50 pips a day by themselves obviously thats BS cause other wise you would not have needed to join a service. And dont give me oh but it was extra pips. That's BS. If you make 40-50 a day you can easily do 30% a month and $100k turns into $1.8m in 1 year. You would not have needed to join PS. Fact remains you wanted the pips cause you could not make them yourselves. But now after the fact it seems you can all make the pips on a daily basis.

Kinn and hosea are out there making the calls live to everyone. Yes the results may be a bit weak at the moment, but you need to give them credit for being out there giving the trades live

that is right. i contacted my bank, they are putting the money back into my account and initiated an investigation. i gave them all the info i could including this thread. i recommend you contact your bank or credit card provider

Especially Kinn is giving out free. And where are you Jason ??? Hiding behind those different usernames and blast at Kinn. Stupid fat loser !!!

Another last thing to you Jason, fcuk you !!!

Is that for your March subs, or April subs ??

[quote=Dxeechk;1948189] Kinn listen to flyingdawg and Dxeechk,they are saying very right thing !
We still want to believe that despite all of this, your are a decent person, who got doped and blindsided by Jason D, made horrible mistake ( as we all sometimes do), and they/we are offering you the way out of this mess.
If you can not , for some reasons, return this money right now, at least contact us, state your intentions to do so, tell how/when you will do.

And one more thing for you to ponder; for most of us this money won't make or break us, but remember there were people from places all over the world,(Ukraine, Czech Republic, Romania. others ) and for them it may represent month or more of their salary ( I know, I was stupid enough to recommend PS to my friend in one of these places, I felt so bad, I returned him this money from my own pocket, but that's beside the point)
How do you feel about that ?

[quote=januszon;1948545] Man, you still dont get it, do you ??? Is all depends on Jason. If Jason willing to refund the $$ all members, we will get the $$ back from all the mods including Kinn. So , what do you say, Jason ??? Refund ot not ???

Still another word to you Jason, Fcuk you !!!

I wonder why those people are aiming at KInn ?? ( unless you are Jason himself or Jason's personal friends ) Anyone that has the slightest idea and those that have smalleat brain should figured out the whole refund thing is coming down to Jason, he is the sole owner of pipsnipers. Jason is the one thats calling the cards. If Jason says REFUND, I am sure Kinn and all the mods will have no choice but to give back all the $$ taken from pipsnipers.

So, Jason my dear, refund or not ??? All back to you again and dont try to sway the attention to Kinn, doesnt work anymore !!!

REFUND JASON, REFUND JASON, REFUND JASON ...............

And........as usual, Jason, fcuk you !!!!!!!!!!

Thank you very much, Jason, for the refund . Finally you live up to your word 'intregity'. You have done the right thing !!! I am sure you have worked out the money matter with your ex-partner, your employees, your helpers and who ever that has taken money from PS account, afterall, you are the boss of pipsnipers.

Glad that this drama comes to end, with just one single decision from you, Jason, 'to refund all the members', '. Now we dont need to blast at Jane, Clint, Kinn anymore. I am sure all the members will remove their curses on you and your family, and you can go on with your normal happy life again, how sweet !!! You are the man, with just one single decision from you,' REFUND ', this thread will closed down very soon !!

Hope that we all will receice our $325 in a week time, if not, the curses will be double, lol, just kidding !!!!

One last thing...... Jason.......'French Connection U.K.' You !!!!!!!

FER is another alias of Kinn/ Hakuna.....

this guy is dodgy...read all the recent posts by Fer.....really makes me sick this scam. good luck all in getting back your $$

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