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  • #621
  • Apr 2, 2008 5:41am Apr 2, 2008 5:41am
Quoting hatari
you want be glad when the authorities will knock on your door. soon

your association with PipSnipers was disgusting and you havent given any of us any explantions.

Are you afraid of what i have mentioned about you? is it wrong? You DID all those things. Everyone in the room was there to witness. Anything else you might want to say? Any defence?

whats you next one liner?

hatari , before you sling too many accusations around, you probably want to have all your facts straight. Do you think Jason was only a con to subscribers? Do you know for sure that Pipchick was not trying to get a better deal for the subscribers? You may be surprised at all that happened behind the scenes. I know that many times people are guilty by association, but that is not always true either. If there is any one person who would love to tell their side of the story here, it is Pipchick, but she chooses to stay quiet, rather than blast info she was privy to all over the internet. She has been slandered and her reputation trampled on, and in that situation, defending oneself is the natural recourse. It takes a stronger person to keep silence in this scenario. And yes, I do have some understanding of what went on and her position taken in all this mess. And no, I won't be saying any more either. Please discontinue your attacks on her, it will not help you to find any more information.
  • #622
  • Apr 2, 2008 6:19am Apr 2, 2008 6:19am
Quoting macbow
hatari , before you sling too many accusations around, you probably want to have all your facts straight. Do you think Jason was only a con to subscribers? Do you know for sure that Pipchick was not trying to get a better deal for the subscribers? You may be surprised at all that happened behind the scenes. I know that many times people are guilty by association, but that is not always true either. If there is any one person who would love to tell their side of the story here, it is Pipchick, but she chooses to stay quiet, rather than blast info she was privy to all over the internet. She has been slandered and her reputation trampled on, and in that situation, defending oneself is the natural recourse. It takes a stronger person to keep silence in this scenario. And yes, I do have some understanding of what went on and her position taken in all this mess. And no, I won't be saying any more either. Please discontinue your attacks on her, it will not help you to find any more information.
Do we have another villain playing a victim here?
Jane (aka as Kate, aka as PipChick) was with Jason and the gang almost from
the start until the bitter end the (rats leaving the sinking ship).
Her joining and repeated endorsements of PS have added a lot of credibility to the operation (after Hakuna she was the most well known FF figure to front Pipsnipers). A lot of poeople probably joined (and lost money) because of that fact.
She was an ACCOMPLICE plain and simple. I can understand her not wanting to come clean (could be on advice of her lawyers) because she is afraid of
admitting any liability but to act like a wounded victim and drop smug oneliners is just showing her continues arrogance. We all remember her indignant diatribes and threats of "not calling any trades" and "shutting down the chatroom" (which she eventually did) because she didn't like what was being said there. The least she can do is APOLOGIZE.

P.S.
Looks like the "bootlicking" disease has morphed into the "high-hillslicking" one.
  • #623
  • Apr 2, 2008 6:39am Apr 2, 2008 6:39am
Since Jason shut everyone out of the room except for those who paid for April, of which I am not one, I was very interested in what he said to the group as to what was going to happen to the room and about shutting it down. All I have read is he played the victim, but I would truly like to hear more of the facts. Does anyone have a text version or a recording of his explanations? If so I would truly enjoy going over it. Thanks.
  • #624
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:01am Apr 2, 2008 7:01am
Quoting macbow
hatari , before you sling too many accusations around, you probably want to have all your facts straight. Do you think Jason was only a con to subscribers? Do you know for sure that Pipchick was not trying to get a better deal for the subscribers? You may be surprised at all that happened behind the scenes. I know that many times people are guilty by association, but that is not always true either. If there is any one person who would love to tell their side of the story here, it is Pipchick, but she chooses to stay quiet, rather than blast info she was privy to all over the internet. She has been slandered and her reputation trampled on, and in that situation, defending oneself is the natural recourse. It takes a stronger person to keep silence in this scenario. And yes, I do have some understanding of what went on and her position taken in all this mess. And no, I won't be saying any more either. Please discontinue your attacks on her, it will not help you to find any more information.


dear macbow
she has been slandered? all i did was ask for an explanation after saying the truth. She owes it to all the PS members who got booted for no reason and who supported Jason all the way through in his scam including the termination of kinn and promising more pips before they collected more subscriptions. It takes a stronger person to come out and share the truth, not stay in silence.
I dont want to hear from anyone else what they have understanding on what happened. She has lied in the room and she is capable of doing that again.
We expaid, exbanned memebers want to know the truth.
And there are no attacks on her. This thread is actually a review on PS, Jason and his associates. All were involved together.
So please !! Cut me her BS sympathy.
  • #625
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:04am Apr 2, 2008 7:04am
Quoting lazytrader
Do we have another villain playing a victim here?
Jane (aka as Kate, aka as PipChick) was with Jason and the gang almost from
the start until the bitter end the (rats leaving the sinking ship).
Her joining and repeated endorsements of PS have added a lot of credibility to the operation (after Hakuna she was the most well known FF figure to front Pipsnipers). A lot of poeople probably joined (and lost money) because of that fact.
She was an ACCOMPLICE plain and simple. I can understand her not wanting to come clean (could be on advice of her lawyers) because she is afraid of
admitting any liability but to act like a wounded victim and drop smug oneliners is just showing her continues arrogance. We all remember her indignant diatribes and threats of "not calling any trades" and "shutting down the chatroom" (which she eventually did) because she didn't like what was being said there. The least she can do is APOLOGIZE.

P.S.
Looks like the "bootlicking" disease has morphed into the "high-hillslicking" one.
What exactly are you looking for Lazy? What answers do you think I have? DId I own the business? NO. I simply BRIEFLY worked for PS. I did NOT shut the chat down EVER so get your story straight. Yes, I was annoyed with constant bickering about things I could not control BEING THAT I WAS NOT THE OWNER. I dont claim to be a victim at all. How do you even know I am claiming to be victim? Another example of unfounded accusations and assumptions.Laywers? Why would I need lawyers? The only thing I may need a lawyer for is pressing charges for slander and character assisination. You think I am dumb? You are attacking me because you have been unsuccessful of getting to the OWNER and the one you feel has done you wrong. Good luck with that and too bad Jason didnt do what he should have done and refund the subs. ANOTHER thing I have to pay for which I have NO control over. I did not agree with things that were coming about and THAT IS WHY I LEFT.PERIOD. I was there to help others as that is what I have always enjoyed doing. Am I claiming to be a victim when I say that? NO..pure stupidity on my part just like YOU were stupid when YOU believed in PS. What makes YOU or anyone else think I am any different than you? I was hoping for the best like the rest of you..It didnt happen. It turned out to be a complete mess and we ALL pay for it. Get over it, thats what I am TRYING to do.What do I owe you an apology for? Tell me that.AN apology because I was contacted and asked to help do what I love to do? An apology because I hung in there like the rest of you hoping for the best? An apology because I voiced my opinion that I hated the way Kinn treated his employees and the members? Im NOT the one who broke up the business partnership. Did I know that Jason would end up treating you poorly? Would ya like to know how much money I made helping you and taking the abuse I took from a lot of you? I can guarantee your 16 yr old made more at McDonalds. Did I NEED the money that bad? Most traders who know anything at all about trading can make about 20 bucks a day for 16 hours of work a day.Thats about the equivalent of what I made.Any more questions Lazy or anyone else? Im in the same boat as the rest of you, why dont you have the decency to email me instead of slander me on a public forum? That wouldnt be as much fun now would it?
  • #626
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:05am Apr 2, 2008 7:05am
Quoting hatari
dear macbow
she has been slandered? all i did was ask for an explanation after saying the truth. She owes it to all the PS members who got booted for no reason and who supported Jason all the way through in his scam including the termination of kinn and promising more pips before they collected more subscriptions. It takes a stronger person to come out and share the truth, not stay in silence.
I dont want to hear from anyone else what they have understanding on what happened. She has lied in the room and she is capable of doing that again.
We expaid, exbanned memebers want to know the truth.
And there are no attacks on her. This thread is actually a review on PS, Jason and his associates. All were involved together.
So please !! Cut me her BS sympathy.
How in the heck do YOU know I supported Jason? Yet ANOTHER unfounded assumption.
  • #627
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:07am Apr 2, 2008 7:07am
Quoting macbow
hatari , before you sling too many accusations around, you probably want to have all your facts straight. Do you think Jason was only a con to subscribers? Do you know for sure that Pipchick was not trying to get a better deal for the subscribers? You may be surprised at all that happened behind the scenes. I know that many times people are guilty by association, but that is not always true either. If there is any one person who would love to tell their side of the story here, it is Pipchick, but she chooses to stay quiet, rather than blast info she was privy to all over the internet. She has been slandered and her reputation trampled on, and in that situation, defending oneself is the natural recourse. It takes a stronger person to keep silence in this scenario. And yes, I do have some understanding of what went on and her position taken in all this mess. And no, I won't be saying any more either. Please discontinue your attacks on her, it will not help you to find any more information.
I would like to thank you macbow along with pippette. You are the ONLY two who have said something decent on my behalf. It takes a lot to stand up for someone when everyone else wants that person blood and I greatly appreciate it.

But yet...I have had MANY on this board message me and ask for my charts and training. The same people who read this crap and comment on it. Blows me away.
  • #628
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:09am Apr 2, 2008 7:09am
Quoting hatari
dear macbow
she has been slandered? all i did was ask for an explanation after saying the truth. She owes it to all the PS members who got booted for no reason and who supported Jason all the way through in his scam including the termination of kinn and promising more pips before they collected more subscriptions. It takes a stronger person to come out and share the truth, not stay in silence.
I dont want to hear from anyone else what they have understanding on what happened. She has lied in the room and she is capable of doing that again.
We expaid, exbanned memebers want to know the truth.
And there are no attacks on her. This thread is actually a review on PS, Jason and his associates. All were involved together.
So please !! Cut me her BS sympathy.
Lied about what hatari? If you have an accusation...BACK IT UP.
  • #629
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:28am Apr 2, 2008 7:28am
Quoting macbow
hatari , before you sling too many accusations around, you probably want to have all your facts straight. Do you think Jason was only a con to subscribers? Do you know for sure that Pipchick was not trying to get a better deal for the subscribers? You may be surprised at all that happened behind the scenes. I know that many times people are guilty by association, but that is not always true either. If there is any one person who would love to tell their side of the story here, it is Pipchick, but she chooses to stay quiet, rather than blast info she was privy to all over the internet. She has been slandered and her reputation trampled on, and in that situation, defending oneself is the natural recourse. It takes a stronger person to keep silence in this scenario. And yes, I do have some understanding of what went on and her position taken in all this mess. And no, I won't be saying any more either. Please discontinue your attacks on her, it will not help you to find any more information.
Very well said! the true culprit is jason.
  • #630
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:39am Apr 2, 2008 7:39am
Quoting PipChick
I would like to thank you macbow along with pippette. You are the ONLY two who have said something decent on my behalf. It takes a lot to stand up for someone when everyone else wants that person blood and I greatly appreciate it.

But yet...I have had MANY on this board message me and ask for my charts and training. The same people who read this crap and comment on it. Blows me away.
hey Pipchick.

My beefs are with Jason, not you at all. i think you're being blasted because you worked for him when things were going wrong. you and Jen were always cool
  • #631
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:47am Apr 2, 2008 7:47am
9 trades 34 pips? c'mon guys, u paid more to the broker to take those trades. u guys are gonna pay for that? wow! all i have heard him say is "#%@* I miss that trade, sorry guys", "the "market conditions" excuse, "money management", and "it'll get better next week". Man this sounds familiar, hmmmmmmm.
  • #632
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:51am Apr 2, 2008 7:51am
Quoting timewilltell
9 trades 34 pips? c'mon guys, u paid more to the broker to take those trades. u guys are gonna pay for that? wow! all i have heard him say is "#%@* I miss that trade, sorry guys", "the "market conditions" excuse, "money management", and "it'll get better next week". Man this sounds familiar, hmmmmmmm.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm now things are starting to surface on both of the PS men I see. I dont need to say a word. Actions speak louder than any words.
  • #633
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:55am Apr 2, 2008 7:55am
I've been watching this carefully, and I have no vested interest in pipsnipers other than the fact that I dealt with Jason's BS when he was with FXTrainer.

Seems to me that pipchick is doing the right thing by just keeping to herself on this matter. She and other of Jason's ex-associates (and existing ones as well) may be called upon to testify in regards to this whole mess at sometime in the future if the law does become involved. Whatever pipchick or any other person that was under Jason's supervision says here may be used against them (read as in Jason's favor).

I know you subs all want answers, but you're gonna have to play the waiting game and see what surfaces.

Just something to think about.

Just my 2 cents. I won't interfere here any more.
  • #634
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:55am Apr 2, 2008 7:55am
Quoting timewilltell
9 trades 34 pips? c'mon guys, u paid more to the broker to take those trades. u guys are gonna pay for that? wow! all i have heard him say is "#%@* I miss that trade, sorry guys", "the "market conditions" excuse, "money management", and "it'll get better next week". Man this sounds familiar, hmmmmmmm.
I'm not going near either of them.
  • #635
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:56am Apr 2, 2008 7:56am
Pipchick,

The only mystery to me is the truth behind why there were so few trade calls during March. I'd appreciate your view on the reason.

Thanks.
  • #636
  • Edited 8:35am Apr 2, 2008 7:57am | Edited 8:35am
Hi Guys,

I am going to speak for myself and maybe just post some of IDEAS here:

1. If you are not happy with products and services you paid for, you know what to do; (just go back few pages, there is few very smart advices from some members, just keep the Procedure)
2. It is a waste of time, to blame anyone, specialy Mods, as all we know that THEY are not ONE's to blame.. (as we almost all agreed, the very BAD company and managers business practice, just pushed this briliant IDEA to the end.
3. I don't know who took the money, or how much, honestly I don't care, I was threated as a little kid there from the Owner and Principle of that business, I am not happy, I did started the procedure, and that is it. We see what is going to happend.
4. Don't get me wrong, but blaming Jane, is out of the question, she had no control of anything, and I also beleive that she owes nothing to anybody, except to her. (this is my believe...)
5. I see Jane as my enemy, only when she hold SHORT position when I am LONG.
6. Honestly, guys it is time to move on: few advices:

- to success in FX all we need: MAINSET, TRADING SYSTEM, BROKER (execution) -FF is a cheapest place where you can learn a litlle bit of everything FREE.
- waste your energy on that, because FX is our BATTLE FIELD not FF threads.
- find few buddies, organize yourself in a small conference room (SKYPE) where you can share your ideas, and trades (ENTRIES and EXITS) trade together, like small FX MASTERMIND groups.

7. As for me, I am done with any SERVICE or ROOMS or anything, just waste of time, instead to focus on Right things.

I hope you can Understand What I Said here, I wish to all SUCCESS and a lot of PIPS.

REMEMBER: FX IS YOUR ARENA.. be well prepared !!

GOD BLESS YOU ALL
  • #637
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:59am Apr 2, 2008 7:59am
Quoting PipChick
What exactly are you looking for Lazy? What answers do you think I have? DId I own the business? NO. I simply BRIEFLY worked for PS. I did NOT shut the chat down EVER so get your story straight. Yes, I was annoyed with constant bickering about things I could not control BEING THAT I WAS NOT THE OWNER. I dont claim to be a victim at all. How do you even know I am claiming to be victim? Another example of unfounded accusations and assumptions.Laywers? Why would I need lawyers? The only thing I may need a lawyer for is pressing charges for slander and character assisination. You think I am dumb? You are attacking me because you have been unsuccessful of getting to the OWNER and the one you feel has done you wrong. Good luck with that and too bad Jason didnt do what he should have done and refund the subs. ANOTHER thing I have to pay for which I have NO control over. I did not agree with things that were coming about and THAT IS WHY I LEFT.PERIOD. I was there to help others as that is what I have always enjoyed doing. Am I claiming to be a victim when I say that? NO..pure stupidity on my part just like YOU were stupid when YOU believed in PS. What makes YOU or anyone else think I am any different than you? I was hoping for the best like the rest of you..It didnt happen. It turned out to be a complete mess and we ALL pay for it. Get over it, thats what I am TRYING to do.What do I owe you an apology for? Tell me that.AN apology because I was contacted and asked to help do what I love to do? An apology because I hung in there like the rest of you hoping for the best? An apology because I voiced my opinion that I hated the way Kinn treated his employees and the members? Im NOT the one who broke up the business partnership. Did I know that Jason would end up treating you poorly? Would ya like to know how much money I made helping you and taking the abuse I took from a lot of you? I can guarantee your 16 yr old made more at McDonalds. Did I NEED the money that bad? Most traders who know anything at all about trading can make about 20 bucks a day for 16 hours of work a day.Thats about the equivalent of what I made.Any more questions Lazy or anyone else? Im in the same boat as the rest of you, why dont you have the decency to email me instead of slander me on a public forum? That wouldnt be as much fun now would it?

Have you read my posts? I feel you owe a PUBLIC apology to the people that may have signed up with Pipsnipers bacause of your presence there. Some of them may have been sucked in to sign up for a year because they knew you from FF and were being reassured by this fact. Some may have renewed for April because of your continued presence there (there was no Hakuna to blame anymore at the end of March). Last week a lot of people clearly stated that they are done with Pipsnipers because you were (finally) leaving. That you were the only reason they still remain there untill that time. This is a double edged compliment as it also implies that you were a reason for them being there in the first place.
What do you think posts like this mean:

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dagoods (http://www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=53444)
Vision Quest
Member Since Nov 2007
Posts: 1,720


http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon1.gif wednesday
Quote:
Originally Posted by kujo17 http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=1817165#post1817165)
hammer candle and dow closed means we drop back down?

just learning here. Not trading off others words.....


triple interest wednesday... for all those that missed it PIPCHICK ROCKS! she was making calls in pipsnipers.com all i can say is WOW!
__________________



Pretty clear, isn't it ( and I know, you cannot be responsible for what other people have written)?

How about this one?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PipChick http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=1811603#post1811603)
YW. Have you been in the pipsnipers room Que? Its great.

I signed up but only been there once. I will check in again and spend a bit more time there next time.


DO YOU NEED MORE???

In case you missed it, this is my first post (on the previous thread) about PS.
"...Last good point: Clint and Jane. The former hasn't had a chance to show his trading style that much but appears to be a competent trader and a gentleman. Jane (Kate) has been in the free room as a member and later a moderator and she is a great trader and educator and a wonderful lady..."


I TAKE IT BACK!!!
  • #638
  • Apr 2, 2008 7:59am Apr 2, 2008 7:59am
Quoting bonmeister
I've been watching this carefully, and I have no vested interest in pipsnipers other than the fact that I dealt with Jason's BS when he was with FXTrainer.

Seems to me that pipchick is doing the right thing by just keeping to herself on this matter. She and other of Jason's ex-associates (and existing ones as well) may be called upon to testify in regards to this whole mess at sometime in the future if the law does become involved. Whatever pipchick or any other person that was under Jason's supervision says here may be used against them (read as in Jason's favor).

I know you subs all want answers, but you're gonna have to play the waiting game and see what surfaces.

Just something to think about.

Just my 2 cents. I won't interfere here any more.
Thats right bonmaster. And when and IF it comes about, I will be there to tell anything I know.
  • #639
  • Apr 2, 2008 8:01am Apr 2, 2008 8:01am
Quoting lazytrader
Have you read my posts? I feel you owe a PUBLIC apology to the people that may have signed up with Pipsnipers bacause of your presence there. Some of them may have been sucked in to sign up for a year because they knew you from FF and were being reassured by this fact. Some may have renewed for April because of your continued presence there (there was no Hakuna to blame anymore at the end of March). Last week a lot of people clearly stated that they are done with Pipsnipers because you were (finally) leaving. That you were the only reason they still remain there untill that time. This is a double edged compliment as it also implies that you were a reason for them being there in the first place.
What do you think posts like this mean:

http://www.forexfactory.com/images/s...n/post_old.gif Jan 23, 2008 4:23pm
dagoods (http://www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=53444)
Vision Quest
Member Since Nov 2007
Posts: 1,720


http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon1.gif wednesday
Quote:
Originally Posted by kujo17 http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=1817165#post1817165)
hammer candle and dow closed means we drop back down?

just learning here. Not trading off others words.....


triple interest wednesday... for all those that missed it PIPCHICK ROCKS! she was making calls in pipsnipers.com all i can say is WOW!
__________________



Pretty clear, isn't it ( and I know, you cannot be responsible for what other people have written)?

How about this one?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PipChick http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=1811603#post1811603)
YW. Have you been in the pipsnipers room Que? Its great.

I signed up but only been there once. I will check in again and spend a bit more time there next time.


DO YOU NEED MORE???

In case you missed it, this is my first post (on the previous thread) about PS.
"...Last good point: Clint and Jane. The former hasn't had a chance to show his trading style that much but appears to be a competent trader and a gentleman. Jane (Kate) has been in the free room as a member and later a moderator and she is a great trader and educator and a wonderful lady..."


I TAKE IT BACK!!!
Whats the date on that lazytrader?

Never mind, i saw it and was not officially a mod at that point.I believe it was a call I made as one of the free members on a h/s violation. It was NOT over the mic as I had not even been introduced to a mic.
  • #640
  • Apr 2, 2008 8:06am Apr 2, 2008 8:06am
At that point, I, like YOU, was amazed by PS.
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