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  • #561
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:19pm Mar 31, 2008 10:19pm
He doesnt have any prob.He will buy some cars on friday for 100k and with the profit of 40k on monday he will pay all refunds.
On the other hand he has a seven figure account ,why I must sorry for him .I am poor and I have cut from other things to pay for his miserable banning chartwatching services.For this kind of money I could buy a very usefull pro tool.

Credit card companies will take his home if he dont pay back the money he took from us.He must thought it better when he desided to fire kinn in one night.

These moves can be done after the subscription month ends and with a month notice in order to get organise first.

Instead of this he tried to make our backs and accounts his experimental table.

I have write to paypal today that I will not stop creating new claims and disputes unless they give me back my money.I will notify my bank too.

Jason we have bann you in a much more serious way.It is our turn now.

Come slash my tire now.

Cheers

B
Learn something difficult and earn real money for ever, a lot.
  • #562
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:22pm Mar 31, 2008 10:22pm
I was a member too, pal.
why can't I speak up?!?!? isn't this a democracy in forex factory threads?
you a mod or something?

and someone was calling Jason a dictator!
man talk about pot calling the kettle black!
yeah wallow in your stupidity for all , see if anyone cares.

Quoting A108
Hey It is not your money and time that was wasted. If you are bored mind your own business.
  • #563
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:27pm Mar 31, 2008 10:27pm
If anyone figures out how to work your chargebacks on PAYPAL Please list it on here. Mine was a paypal bank wthdraw. I thought it would have been better for him to give a free month to correct himself, if he had any MAN left in him.
Losers Complain, Winners Train! Utah
  • #564
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:31pm Mar 31, 2008 10:31pm
Happy trading guys. Time to move on make lots of pips and take fridays off lol. I do understand all of your feelings. Again good luck. Hosea you most of all good luck with that mess. I said no to it, I cant staple my name to that mess.


Carpe Diem
  • #565
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:34pm Mar 31, 2008 10:34pm
We all Know what we have to do. But.. the main thing is we have to move forward as well..

OUR BATTLE FIELD IS FX not FF Threads..

Thank you
  • #566
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:41pm Mar 31, 2008 10:41pm
Quoting pipmachine2
Happy trading guys. Time to move on make lots of pips and take fridays off lol. I do understand all of your feelings. Again good luck. Hosea you most of all good luck with that mess. I said no to it, I cant staple my name to that mess.


Carpe Diem
agreed
TRIALS THAT SHAKE SOME, CONFIRM OTHERS!
  • #567
  • Mar 31, 2008 10:42pm Mar 31, 2008 10:42pm
Quoting Piters
We all Know what we have to do. But.. the main thing is we have to move forward as well..

OUR BATTLE FIELD IS FX not FF Threads..

Thank you
agreed
TRIALS THAT SHAKE SOME, CONFIRM OTHERS!
  • #568
  • Mar 31, 2008 11:33pm Mar 31, 2008 11:33pm
Quoting lazytrader
I can't believe I fell ( I had a good company mind you) for this "professional trader" BS that Jason and Kinn sold to us.
We already know what Jason is capable of. For the fans of Hakuna Matata all I can say: are you people blind and deaf?
This "professional" trader just managed to lose 35 pips shorting PJ while it was shooting UP over 300 pips (he got in at 199.65 and exited at the VERY TOP of 200.00) during the Asian session.
Then, during early London session he actually made 35 pips when he exited another short at 197.95. He was so giddy and excited doing that he almost fainted. He then immediately told the room that he REALLY meant to hold it to 197.00.
This is the biggest "HINDSIGHT" trader that I have ever seen. Always screaming about his after the fact"predictions" and always kicking himself for missing his so called "perfect set ups. And always reminding people what a favour he is doing to them by sharing his "revolutionary" money management with them.

P.S.
If he provides his live account statements showing those thousands of pips that he supposedly made last fall I 'll gladly print out this post and eat it.
Thats Kinn for you

Shhhh.. We have been asking for a live statement from him for the last 6 months. I suppose it's stored in a very high security safe box in a swiss bank.
  • #569
  • Apr 1, 2008 3:18am Apr 1, 2008 3:18am
just keep in mind how easy it is to doctor a document using microsoft paint. so i'll take his email with proof of paying kinn with a HUGE grain of salt.

it is time to move on and make some pips. just don't be so quick to assume what's sent is the truth.
  • #570
  • Edited 3:55am Apr 1, 2008 3:37am | Edited 3:55am
Quoting Peterinforex
I was a member too, pal.
why can't I speak up?!?!? isn't this a democracy in forex factory threads?
you a mod or something?

and someone was calling Jason a dictator!
man talk about pot calling the kettle black!
yeah wallow in your stupidity for all , see if anyone cares.

Peter,

Sure you can speak up, but please don't belittle all the people who want their money back, they absolutely deserve it back including me and you. We were sucked in by some very smooth talking and as it turned out nothing to back it up with some very disgraceful talk and actions by Jason (you really couldn't make this up no one would believe it).

There were more than 400 people logged into the room at the start of the month and I remember it being mentioned that around 40 people had signed for a year, that’s 40 x 3000 + 360 x 325 = $237000. This is only an approximation and may be more?

Should he and Kinn be allowed to get away with this, if what I have read on here about Jason is true ,he's done it before and he WILL do it again I have no doubt.

Jason and Kinn should be held accountable.

A word about Kinn... This bothered me right from the start, now I am a businessman and if I was just launching a new business I certainly would not dream of going on holiday at the launch (unbelievable and very unprofessional) if it couldn't be avoided the launch should have been postponed, no two ways about it. His half hearted attempt at trading on holiday didn’t wash with me.

Also is it true that he has half the money, if it is he is just as accountable and if he had any ethics would have returned it immediately.

Another thing that bugged me, he repeatedly said that we were not doing him a favor but that he was doing us a favor even though he reputedly has a $100000 of our money!

I will be making my claim through Paypal today.

Jim.
  • #571
  • Apr 1, 2008 4:07am Apr 1, 2008 4:07am
Quoting Jim.
Peter,

Jason and Kinn should be held accountable.

A word about Kinn... This bothered me right from the start, now I am a businessman and if I was just launching a new business I certainly would not dream of going on holiday at the launch (unbelievable and very unprofessional) if it couldn't be avoided the launch should have been postponed, no two ways about it. His half hearted attempt at trading on holiday didn’t wash with me.

Also is it true that he has half the money, if it is he is just as accountable and if he had any ethics would have returned it immediately.

Jim.
agree with what you say BUT jason told us all that he was the sole owner so as far as i'm concerned Kinn was paid for his services and doesn't owe us anything legally speaking. however ethically i'd return the money, that is if you believe what jason says ( i still think what he's going to send out is doctored, which is very easy to do. can't help it, that's the price you pay for having deceived us before). the only way i'd believe him is if he took a few people to his bank and showed them a document, bank statement right from the bank ( a few disgruntled people, not those that believe anything he says)

Maybe Jason will think twice about screwing over any future partner in the future.
  • #572
  • Apr 1, 2008 4:24am Apr 1, 2008 4:24am
Either you are a partner or you are a freelance help.

Since Jason kicked Kinn out, he must forsee that he is acountable for all damages in case the ship is sunked.

Now that he did sunk the ship, he remembered that he gave kinn half the money.

What a convinient setlement.If the coup was succesfull he would banked the profits of the next months without sharing anything with his brotha from different motha. Now that he miserably failed, he remember that he gave half the money and he wants them back.

No jason kinn doesnt owe you a penny,go sell some use cars to refund the members.Kinn broughtyou the fantastic results that registered so many members.

You have desided to subtract the profitable ingridient from pipsnipers, you have upload the sole responsibility to your back, you will pay the bill.Not kinn.

You are a looser trader and you will pay your arrogance. You didnt know how to trade that why you failed.If you had the abilities to bring pips yourself you could keep all the customers.But your balls aint brass they are soft like sponges.

Here is your lesson : http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI

Eat it now in order to be more honest with your people in the future. When you spit against the wind your spit will come in you face.

Cheers

B
Learn something difficult and earn real money for ever, a lot.
  • #573
  • Apr 1, 2008 4:37am Apr 1, 2008 4:37am
Jason I hate you and hate who support you.

In order to get high integrity and respect YOU MUST EARN. but you are a black listed on this forex market.

I hope one day you had very good car crash and you burn like chicken on the car with your family.

I have lost thousands of US dollars. I am very very upset the reason because I have been treated like idiot by you and your supporters. because I have told my truth and you had banned me like others.

I am very pissed off because

%80 servise
%20 I had lost money

now go to hell burn like chicken
  • #574
  • Edited 5:01am Apr 1, 2008 4:50am | Edited 5:01am
Quoting pippers
agree with what you say BUT jason told us all that he was the sole owner so as far as i'm concerned Kinn was paid for his services and doesn't owe us anything legally speaking. however ethically i'd return the money, that is if you believe what jason says ( i still think what he's going to send out is doctored, which is very easy to do. can't help it, that's the price you pay for having deceived us before). the only way i'd believe him is if he took a few people to his bank and showed them a document, bank statement right from the bank ( a few disgruntled people, not those that believe anything he says)

Maybe Jason will think twice about screwing over any future partner in the future.
Hi Pipers,

I agree with you too.....I think there is probably more to all this then us poor scammed people will ever know (as if it could be any more extraordinary).
  • #575
  • Edited 7:38am Apr 1, 2008 7:35am | Edited 7:38am
I'll never understand people. From the sounds of it, there are still some people here and on other forums (I need not mention names) that are sympathetic towards Jason and/or would give him another chance if he attempted to make things right.

C'mon people, WAKE UP! Jason is and never will be anything more than an egotistical, conniving scam artist. I live nearby, and I know what he has done in the past and how he operates. I've been on the losing side of one of his past scams (cough, FX Trainer / Trading Post FX, cough, cough). If he actually does refund anyone's money (which would be nice), it will be purely out of the fear of the lawful consequences if he doesn't. The only thing he will have learned is that he needs to be more careful when he pulls off his next big scam.

I'm also wondering how many of you waited till the last minute to cancel your pipsnipers subscription for April? In his "pipwaiver" it states that you must do it at least 7 days before the next month starts or you will be billed for the next month. Today is April 1st so you better check your Paypal & CC statements people, Jason may have gotten more out of you than you realize.

How do you know when Jason is telling a lie???

Answer: Because his lips are moving.

I sincerely wish you all luck in recovering your losses.
  • #576
  • Apr 1, 2008 7:39am Apr 1, 2008 7:39am
Regardless of whether you used a credit card for PayPal or Google why not ask (politely demand) a refund directly from your credit card? Why does Google or PayPal have to be involved? Now that it is April please let's continue to try to get refunds. We no longer have the day by day or hour by hour ups and downs of Pipsnipers to fuel us ...but we all need to be reimbursed!!!!!
  • #577
  • Apr 1, 2008 8:30am Apr 1, 2008 8:30am
PAY PAL is a waste of time. Jason is their customer not the consumer.

Call your Credit Card company.

He's a crook & we ALL need to stop him now.
  • #578
  • Apr 1, 2008 8:32am Apr 1, 2008 8:32am
No one knows the truth & anything is conceivable. He (they) took us for over $200,000+ (300 @ $325 + 40 @ $3,000). hE HAS A HISTORY OF DOING THIS AND HE WILL DO IT AGAIN.
  • #579
  • Apr 1, 2008 9:25am Apr 1, 2008 9:25am
Quoting Rcote
No one knows the truth & anything is conceivable. He (they) took us for over $200,000+ (300 @ $325 + 40 @ $3,000). hE HAS A HISTORY OF DOING THIS AND HE WILL DO IT AGAIN.
i think it was more like 400 at 325 and 40 @ 3k, which is about 250k. so why would he give Kinn 2 wires that add up to over 140k? hmm. i doubt very much that such a smart business man would give over half the profits to an employee (notice it's convenient to refer to kinn as his partner now that he's looking for sympathy, but earlier, he made it clear that he was the sole owner of it all, everything was under his name. you can't have it both ways Jason)
  • #580
  • Apr 1, 2008 9:28am Apr 1, 2008 9:28am
Quoting Peterinforex
People. I think it is really time to move on.

with all your time wasted here, you may havejolly well made back your 350 USD or 3000 USD whatever.

it seems all the facts are foggy.and nobody really knows what happened behind the scenes. Physical threats are definitely ludicrious and posting someone's address online and threatening their and their family physical well-being isn't exactly legal either.

move on.

just a bored casual oberver of this farce

For a lot of us it is a matter of principle. I personally make more than that in an average trade but don't forget that a lot of subscribers live in countries wher $325 represents several month's wages. PS had atleast 516 paid subscibers, including 40 or so yearly and 6 mth commitments. You do the math. Do you think it is fair for BOTH, Jason and Kinn to hang on to that money. ( By the way, do you remember Jason repeatedly say "I DON'T NEED THE MONEY" and Kinn boasted about the prices he charges for his dental work and the size of his trading account.) People like that have to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and hit where it hurts the most (for people of their ilk) the MONEY. This is to prevent them from doing it again to other innocent people and to be a deterrrent to other potential scammers lurking on these pages (I can tell you there are a lot of them just salivating). Side note to FF managent: THIS SORRY CASE HAS SHOWN HOW VULNERABLE YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY FF "CELEBRITIES". PLEASE TIGHTEN YOUR POLICIES AND IMPROVE YOUR MONITORING. Back to Peterinforex. No offence, but you sound like one of the late converts and someone who stood by Jason to the very last moment.
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