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  • #141
  • Jan 11, 2008 10:04pm Jan 11, 2008 10:04pm
Quoting dagoods
using td sequential that was posted here its my experience that YOU DO NOT USE IT TO TRY TO PICK A BOTTOM OR A TOP, INSTEAD USE IT IN THE REVERSE WAY....IE THERE WILL NOT BE A REVERSAL UNTIL THERE IS A 9 OR 13 COUNTDOWN..... anyone have the whole set of demark indicators? THE REAL ONES? with all the rules? with alarms? it would be awesome if someone could do it..... (not a computer guy or I would) anyone have tdst?


has anyone strategy tested?

thanks in advance all
I have them but they work in TradeStation and also the code is locked so I can't help you.

BTW TD Seq is used to catch tops and bottoms. That is the idea - projecting possible reversal points.
  • #142
  • Jan 11, 2008 10:07pm Jan 11, 2008 10:07pm
Quoting SunTrader
I have them but they work in TradeStation and also the code is locked so I can't help you.

BTW TD Seq is used to catch tops and bottoms. That is the idea - projecting possible reversal points.

i agree but i have been forward testing them in real time...and that is not the easiest way to profit with them IMO ... i dont need to catch the entire swing..... all the way from top to bottom...just a piece is fine.... if you are on count 3 why not jump in with the current trend rather than wait for another 9 or 13 to trade? have you ever seen a reversal without a 9 or 13 count? I have not yet...(I know they happen but that is rare)

PS On the ohter hand I have seen many 9s and some 13s without a reversal and a recycle....so... I wish I had the real versions thanks any help to get the real versions appreciated
  • #143
  • Jan 12, 2008 9:48am Jan 12, 2008 9:48am
Quoting dagoods
... 1) if you are on count 3 why not jump in with the current trend rather than wait for another 9 or 13 to trade?

2) PS On the ohter hand I have seen many 9s and some 13s without a reversal and a recycle....
1) If you jump in on bar 3 why bother at all with TD Seq.

2) Thats why I use other confirmation to determine whether to take a 9 / 13. If the r/r favor it then go for it otherwise pass.
  • #144
  • Jan 12, 2008 2:01pm Jan 12, 2008 2:01pm
Quoting SunTrader
1) If you jump in on bar 3 why bother at all with TD Seq.

2) Thats why I use other confirmation to determine whether to take a 9 / 13. If the r/r favor it then go for it otherwise pass.

once again I agree with you I do that as well! as far as why bother at all....my only point is that i try to look at many currencies at same time.... cant always watch everything.... so jumping in at 3 although there may be drwdown... in my experience is a pretty much no brainer that the td trend will continue at least until another 9 in the oppostie direction...sooo doing the math = easy decision.... In other words i jump in at 2 or 3 after aconffirmed 9 or 13 reversal....take a look at usd/cad from end of december to now...and still going...know what i mean...could have jumped in at any point there....would love to watch pa at every 9 and 13 but cant do it in real time.... we should start a trading thread or something and each of us could watch only 2 or 3 pairs...wouldn't that be great!

but i am interested to learn from you as you seem to grasp TD well.... once again i also do not have the true versions only the ff copies so i cannot be as confident as you.... but I think we are in total agreement....

PS have you used tdst? i cant find an mt4 version anywhere and I know it is a crucial piece of the puzzle I am missing.... it is so frustrating to read td's books (on the third now) and not have all the tools to apply it sigh..... any help much appreciated
  • #145
  • Jan 13, 2008 10:00am Jan 13, 2008 10:00am
OK I see that you might jump on board a 3 after a reversal sometime in the recent past.

I use TDST basically off of TD SEQ because the version I have (actually all legitimate ones) plots a box around the 9 bar setup zone automatically.

If I have a chance later today I'll post a few screen shots.
  • #146
  • Jan 13, 2008 10:15am Jan 13, 2008 10:15am
Quoting SunTrader
OK I see that you might jump on board a 3 after a reversal sometime in the recent past.

I use TDST basically off of TD SEQ because the version I have (actually all legitimate ones) plots a box around the 9 bar setup zone automatically.

If I have a chance later today I'll post a few screen shots.

thanks! ps are there any you are curently considering or just entered? curious? also, if you could post your true tradestation versions maybe i could get the metaquotes room to help me to convert them to ff imt4 indicators and improve on them ......or at least tdst and demark new_trend and td seq to check code and make nice alarm bells ..anyway thanks for the help ... much appreciated
  • #147
  • Jan 14, 2008 11:19am Jan 14, 2008 11:19am
Have been a little busy start of the trading week and all - I trade others markets besides the currencies. Anyway the 2 pairs are watch are EU and GU so here is a forthcoming buy setup in daily GU:
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  • #148
  • Jan 14, 2008 11:27am Jan 14, 2008 11:27am
And here is the EU which has a TD Seq 13 in place but appears that it will recycle. Note how nice bottom was formed on 89 XMA, the one and only MA I use:
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  • #149
  • Jan 14, 2008 2:35pm Jan 14, 2008 2:35pm
Quoting SunTrader
And here is the EU which has a TD Seq 13 in place but appears that it will recycle. Note how nice bottom was formed on 89 XMA, the one and only MA I use:

thats great stuff sun...thanks so much.... hope u wernt offended in skunny room was all in fun...i have nothing but respect for you ...you know your chit..that is for sure...... as for the trendline discussion i think td explains it very well in new science of tech analysis pages 6 -22 where he defines td points and diffrent level td points and mini trends within bigger trends if u will..anyway (so i technically I agree with you on trend definition but as a practical matter I see skunnys point that the most accurate fibs come off of true s/r, ie more significant level td points...anyway...thanks for this...

I do not use tdst so can u explain how that box works for me? much appreciated! keep up the great work.... I would love to follow along if u trade either of these so i can leanr it is extremely appreciated!
  • #150
  • Jan 14, 2008 9:15pm Jan 14, 2008 9:15pm
da,

I wasn't offended, but I know when somebody wants your input and when they don't. Therefore I appreciate your comments. As far as trendlines go though both charts I posted show examples using swing pivots of a level one(1) category. Valid S/R to use for Fibs are determined by many factors besides swing points but many times a TD Level 1 is valid. What gets me though is someone that is so quick to dismiss trading books. I've heard it a million times "Well if they know some much why aren't they trading" which is a real dumbass kind of comment.

Back to TD Seq - the software I have (which the code is locked so I can't post it try to convert to MT) automatically plots a box around setup area once a price flip the other way happens. If there are 2 setups in the same direction then it shows on the 2nd box a size comparision number (for example on the EU chart 0.71) to determine if a setup is too small or too large to ignore and therefore recycle the count.

As far as trading either setup on EU or GU, I think EU is going higher and might recycle and believe GU is going lower but may or may not move higher. I prefer to look for a full setup/countdown so doubtful I would trade GU on a daily basis until it completes. See next post for an intraday trade.

Sun
  • #151
  • Jan 14, 2008 9:35pm Jan 14, 2008 9:35pm
Here is a trade on the 15m GU chart trade taken a few hours ago. There were back to back buy setups but my confirmation was ADX shows the downtrend extended since it was beyond a reading of 40. Once there was an upclose after setup at low I went long the following bar which coincidently was bar# 1 of a sell setup. That sell setup had a slight pullback/retrace but I would exit or reverse to a sell without some other confirmation.

Now I am watching the 1.9580 level as this is the TD daily pivot for tues and the weekly pivot is 1.9590 which we traded around on mon.

Hope this helps.

But note that I trade the (US) equities indexes mainly plus GU and EU so I don't always have a chance to stay on top of the developments on the shorter timeframes.

Note: I took out the size box on the setups to make the price bars more legible. Haven't figured a way to make TradeStation charts appear better than they are coming out.
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  • #152
  • Jan 15, 2008 12:24am Jan 15, 2008 12:24am
Quoting SunTrader
da,

I wasn't offended, but I know when somebody wants your input and when they don't. Therefore I appreciate your comments. As far as trendlines go though both charts I posted show examples using swing pivots of a level one(1) category. Valid S/R to use for Fibs are determined by many factors besides swing points but many times a TD Level 1 is valid. What gets me though is someone that is so quick to dismiss trading books. I've heard it a million times "Well if they know some much why aren't they trading" which is a real dumbass kind of comment.

Back to TD Seq - the software I have (which the code is locked so I can't post it try to convert to MT) automatically plots a box around setup area once a price flip the other way happens. If there are 2 setups in the same direction then it shows on the 2nd box a size comparision number (for example on the EU chart 0.71) to determine if a setup is too small or too large to ignore and therefore recycle the count.

As far as trading either setup on EU or GU, I think EU is going higher and might recycle and believe GU is going lower but may or may not move higher. I prefer to look for a full setup/countdown so doubtful I would trade GU on a daily basis until it completes. See next post for an intraday trade.

Sun

thanks for all of your help sun... back to fibs.... i am trying desperately to figure out where to draw fibs from...been trying off of td1s but too many fibs and too many errors.... any help is so much appreciated... thanks for everything
  • #153
  • Jan 15, 2008 9:23pm Jan 15, 2008 9:23pm
TD Level 1 points are only good if they allow you to capture the full trend you are looking to apply a fib retracement tool to. I was only saying for instance there are many times a TD Level 1 would be sufficient. Other times not.

As for how I draw a fib retrace I use (again not in every case) the method Tom DeMark has in his 2nd book "New Market Timing Techniques ...." first select a recent price low then look to the left on the chart and find a lower low and then find the highest high in between those 2 points.
  • #154
  • Jan 16, 2008 12:35am Jan 16, 2008 12:35am
Quoting SunTrader
TD Level 1 points are only good if they allow you to capture the full trend you are looking to apply a fib retracement tool to. I was only saying for instance there are many times a TD Level 1 would be sufficient. Other times not.

As for how I draw a fib retrace I use (again not in every case) the method Tom DeMark has in his 2nd book "New Market Timing Techniques ...." first select a recent price low then look to the left on the chart and find a lower low and then find the highest high in between those 2 points.

wow i musta missed that one...i'll go read it again.... thanks sun! but to clarigy ..which point would u fib.... the recent price low, the lower low the highest and lowest? can u show me a chart? thanks sun...sorry i am so dslow catchin on to the fib thing.... i really appreciate it man thanks so much
  • #155
  • Jan 16, 2008 3:18am Jan 16, 2008 3:18am
Hi Guys,

If any of you are trading TD's stuff succesfully please PM me. I'm really struggling!

Thanks
Werner
Phil419
  • #156
  • Jan 16, 2008 3:38am Jan 16, 2008 3:38am
go check out my pips du jour system, it uses the 9s as a possible exit point to get out of some trades.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=64499
  • #157
  • Jan 16, 2008 4:00am Jan 16, 2008 4:00am
Quoting wernbrenk
Hi Guys,

If any of you are trading TD's stuff succesfully please PM me. I'm really struggling!

Thanks
Werner

have u read the books? do u have the indicators? have you at least read mouteki?
  • #158
  • Edited 8:50am Jan 18, 2008 8:48am | Edited 8:50am
Quoting ch33z3
That Tom DeMark is a freakin' genius. A glancing "backtest" looked good. I completed a releasable indicator just using the rules from the pdf, so here it is.

Note that a perfect 9 is larger and in bold. arrows mark all nines. And I'm aware that the numbers don't look right on some timeframes.

Hi, I just discovered this thread and I have applied you indicator to my charts. Interesting indeed! I wonder if you, are anyone else can make a slight modification to the indicator? What i need is an alert appearing on screen whenever a red or green arrow appears on the chart. Could this be done?

Cheers,
Ronny
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  • #159
  • Jan 19, 2008 9:22am Jan 19, 2008 9:22am
Although ch33z3 seems to be around, he lasted posted on this thread back last April. Maybe another MT user of this indicator can help you though.
  • #160
  • Jan 19, 2008 2:02pm Jan 19, 2008 2:02pm
Ok ok. yea.
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