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  • First Post: Jan 6, 2007 3:41pm Jan 6, 2007 3:41pm
  •  steinitz
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Aug 2006 | 534 Posts
I want to post a perfect set-up for the minute trading. To accomplish this you need to look at a longer time frame preferably 4x longer then the desired timeframe to enter. For added security you can look at one additional longer time frame. Example: Enter on a 5 minute. Look back at a 20 minute and possibly an 80 minute ot 1 hour.

Here are the keys to the kingdom to a good trade.

Short Trade 5 MIN

1. Enter on a 5 minute
2. 8 EMA less then 21 EMA
3. 8 & 21 EMA's are less then 50 EMA
4. 50 EMA is between the 20 period BB's
5. 8 EMA is starting to hinge down (bonus)

20 Min


1. Bar resting on 8 or 21 EMA (21 EMA would be a bonus)
2. Bar is a down close
3. 8 EMA less then 21 EMA
4. 8 & 21 EMA's are less then 50 EMA
5. 50 EMA is between the 20 period BB's
6. 8 EMA is starting to hinge down (bonus)

80 Min (or 1Hr)


1. Bar resting on 8 or 21 EMA (21 EMA would be a bonus)
2. Bar is a down close
3. 8 EMA less then 21 EMA
4. 8 & 21 EMA's are less then 50 EMA
5. 50 EMA is between the 20 period BB's
6. 8 EMA is starting to hinge down (bonus)

I have included three images for your inspection. Of course reverse the above for going long. I could very well post bad entries but there are numerous ones. If you ask me to do so I will when I have time.

You can exit the position when the 5 min violates the rules for a quick profit. If one is looking for a longer timeframe position with larger profit potential you can exit when 20 minute starts to violate the rules. If you do so you MUST have a solid looking 80 or 1 hour trend to do so. At this point you are depending on the 80 min or 1 hour to bring the 20 minute position into a profitable outcome by it's strong trend characteristics. If you are not a seasoned pro don't do this and be satisfied with your 5 Min strategy.

P.S. If anyone is interested. My last name is Steinitz. If you play chess seriously this name will ring a bell. My great great Grandfather Wilhelm Steinitz was the 1st World Chess champion which almost every book written today is based to some degree from his initial thoughts.

I don't wish anybody good luck, however I do wish you all "good standard deviations" !

"Steinitz" trader1
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  • Jan 6, 2007 4:06pm Jan 6, 2007 4:06pm
  •  jpk
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 15 Posts
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I want to post a perfect set-up for the minute trading. ...

P.S. If anyone is interested. My last name is Steinitz. If you play chess seriously this name will ring a bell. My great great Grandfather Wilhelm Steinitz was the 1st World Chess champion which almost every book written today is based to some degree from his initial thoughts.

"Steinitz" trader1
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wow, I am interested. I used to play seriously mail chess 15 years ago (I won 2 tournaments). Still interested. Thats interesting. How is your father and you: are you good at chess? Interesting to know. What a co-incidence!

If you play, I suppose that your favourite opening is Steiniz opening?
 
 
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  • Jan 6, 2007 4:42pm Jan 6, 2007 4:42pm
  •  steinitz
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Aug 2006 | 534 Posts
Thanks for your reply. The Steinitz opening of course! I actually sad to say I don't play chess seriously. I am a professional gambler who has studies all major gaming strategies that produce an edge. In part: Blackjack = card counting, front loading, indexing, card steering, ace loacating, shuffle tracking, team play, concealed micro computer for precise strategy and bet sizing, etc. Roulette = visual approach to timing the wheel, concealed micro computer to assist in forecasting the ball drop. Poker = Live poker (holdem), no limit & limit and 7 card stud.

If anybody wants to talk shop that is fine but let's focus on this 4x. I will refine the method until I feel I can step up to the plate. I enjoy back engineering winning trades to see what they have in common.

Good std dev's !!


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wow, I am interested. I used to play seriously mail chess 15 years ago (I won 2 tournaments). Still interested. Thats interesting. How is your father and you: are you good at chess? Interesting to know. What a co-incidence!

If you play, I suppose that your favourite opening is Steiniz opening?
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  • Jan 6, 2007 7:58pm Jan 6, 2007 7:58pm
  •  steinitz
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Aug 2006 | 534 Posts
5 min system **REFINED**

<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Hey traders! My name is new to you as I have been just reading on this forum for some time now but not adding anything thus far. My background: I am a professional gambler and have been highly successful since 18 years old. I have turned 50 recently. If anyone has ?? about BJ or poker anything gaming related I probably have used it or no about it.

Ok let's move on. I have tried every indicator that is a household name and none thus far is a true leading one which we all should be seeking. I have always been an advocate of trend trading period!

I find this method very intriguing to say the least. Here is what I have witnessed to be a better entry and exit strategy. Nothing is black box here (one might decide to build one and accept less profit).

Ok here are some changes:
1. I have changed the EMA from 10 to 8 (to stay with fib numbers).
2. I always use Bollinger Bands i.e. close of bar and 20 periods

To go long:

1. Angle of 50 SMA needs to be trending up at a decent angle (subjective)
2. 8 & 21 EMA's need to be 8 on top of 21
3. ALL MA's need to be between both BB's (important)!
4. The entry should be on an up bar at close (this filters a possible retrace on the 8 & 21 EMA's which leads to being vulnerable to stop out)
5. The bar used for entry can be anywhere between 50 SMA and 8 EMA (the closer to 50 SMA the more likely a better move)

To go short:

Reverse above

HERE ARE SOME FINE POINTS FOR A BETTER TRADE

1. Steep 50 SMA angle
2. 8 & 21 EMA's both hinge to desired trade direction (added thrust or momentum)
3. Wide BB envelopes (more volatility = good thing
4. Angle of BB's inline with what the 50 SMA is doing
5. Wide separation between both 8 & 21 EMA's

WARNING SIGNS OF DETERIORATING TRADE

1. 8 EMA starting to hinge in reverse towards the 21 EMA
2. BB envelopes starting to squeeze (less volatility)
3. 50 SMA goes outside of BB (IMPORTANT FOLKS!)
4. Price itself is showing trend change
5. 50 SMA angle decreasing angle

I will not give any advice to money management as this area is really up to each persons style. Some may want to make more then 10 PIPS with better set-ups and some may wish to make 10 or less with not so great set-ups. Too much variables to consider. Risk/reward is important but I personally desire a method that works consistently foremost.

Any questions or comments are always welcome. I don't say good luck because I believe in good "standard deviations" for my outcome. So "good standards to all" !!!!!

Don (trader1)
 
 
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  • Jan 6, 2007 8:20pm Jan 6, 2007 8:20pm
  •  steinitz
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Aug 2006 | 534 Posts
Hello traders! It turns out that the moderator has given me my own thread. I want to start off by thanking Phil Nel for the inspiration to refine what he has started. I have an extensive background in system development including two U.S. patents (electronics). I mention this because I am very serious about trading. I literally spend 8 hours a day on just this with the rest of my time with two other businesses.
Ok enough of that. I have so many systems I have used and seen that when the dust settles none of them makes satisfies me. I won't go into them because I really think this method of Phil's is the best I have seen so far. By the way GFT has given me a trial of "Foresight AI" which predicts what will happen on a full day 2 min chart and so far it is very interesting to say the least. It is a NN or AI program. I want my own method that relies on nobody or spending zero money to implement.
The reason this method is so good is because it's SIMPLE! Wear one watch and you can tell the time, where two watches and you won't know what the real time is". I heard that somewhere and maybe screwed it up but you get the point KISS.
Every indicator out there is lagging the price. So why use it? Maybe some oscillators like RSI & STOCH can be used to detect divergence. They are excellent for that. But think about trends. Learn all you can about multiple timeframes like "Martin Pring" and "Market Momentum". When the longer underlying trend is what you are following and you know it is not overly mature, it's is nearly impossible to avoid making money on a shorter timeframe. It's like trying to defy gravity.
Look what happens when news comes out that goes counter trend. It get's faded everytime by the longer timeframe cycle. The trend is your friend. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Let's band together and make this thread a valuable one as I am sure anyone out here can see how basic it is and the potential for consistent profits!

Good std dev's !!!
 
 
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  • Jan 6, 2007 8:24pm Jan 6, 2007 8:24pm
  •  smjones
  • Joined Mar 2006 | Status: THANK YOU MERLIN,TWEE and FF Team | 4,603 Posts
Good Stuff, and welcome to Forex Factory. Looking forward to this thread..

Thanks for posting.
 
 
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  • Jan 7, 2007 1:03am Jan 7, 2007 1:03am
  •  notouch
  • | Joined Nov 2006 | Status: Member | 507 Posts
I notice you're using this on AUD/USD. Have you backtested your strategy with TradeStation, MetaTrader or similar? I've had a look at the strategy with EUR/USD and it seemed to perform less well than a simple MACD strategy.
 
 
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  • Jan 7, 2007 1:22am Jan 7, 2007 1:22am
  •  steinitz
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Aug 2006 | 534 Posts
I have only looked at historical charts to see if the premises looks logical. I don't see why this wouldn't work on ANY market driven by humans with some volume. I used MACD. I like it for the visual it represents as far as the histogram is concerned. You can get some divergence readings from it. Again it is a lagging indicator. If you look at every trade system on this forum you will have hundreds of people using different methods to arrive at the same conclusion. It's the method that finds the beginning of a move before it is realized. If the trade looks wrong it's probably correct. Think about that statement for awhile.
When you are doing the same thing as the masses you are too late. I like this method because it's simple. You look for trend strength and take an opposite position on the short timeframe just as it starts to turnaround.
When a pitcher throws a baseball the moment the ball leaves his mitt is the fastest point that ball is traveling. As it travels it slows down and starts to fall. What we are looking for as good traders is the point in time where we can catch the fastest segment of the move. It's when MA's cross or MA's hinge etc etc.

I have not back tested this as it does not need to be. The principal is solid. If you want to back test this you will need exact rules. That is fine. If you are so inclined please set -up some rules pass it by this thread and let's all see if they make sense.

Thanks for contributing!


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I notice you're using this on AUD/USD. Have you backtested your strategy with TradeStation, MetaTrader or similar? I've had a look at the strategy with EUR/USD and it seemed to perform less well than a simple MACD strategy.
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  • Jan 7, 2007 2:14am Jan 7, 2007 2:14am
  •  JodyOng
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: I'm lovin it | 427 Posts
Nice one, this 5 min strategy of phil got me interested, and you got me even more into it. Currently I'm using phil's system with woodies CCI and pivot points, and it works like a charm, I'll go see whether the BB fits in.
 
 
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  • Jan 8, 2007 10:38am Jan 8, 2007 10:38am
  •  haha22
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 26 Posts
i didnt see much different of your 8, 21 & 50 EMA with Bill William's alligator indicator...

for those who use MT4, go to Insert --> Indicators --> Bill Williams --> Alligator

and compare it...
 
 
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  • Jan 22, 2007 9:08pm Jan 22, 2007 9:08pm
  •  Toothman
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 1,242 Posts
In post #4 you say when going long to enter on an up bar. Wouldn't you want to enter on a down (pull back) bar. I don't get it. If you wait for an up bar your loosing out on pips aren't you? Can you show a chart and circle where you would enter? Thank you
 
 
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  • Jun 1, 2007 3:07pm Jun 1, 2007 3:07pm
  •  MegaPips
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Trend Catcher | 174 Posts
Hi Steinitz, Good to see you here - I highly value your approach of trading with "4TF HAS BAR" - Steinitz Method, which is still very much followed. I like you to continue more postings on this strategy. Thank you for sharing.
 
 
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  • Jun 1, 2007 3:42pm Jun 1, 2007 3:42pm
  •  tiku
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I have included three images for your inspection. Of course reverse the above for going long. I could very well post bad entries but there are numerous ones. If you ask me to do so I will when I have time.
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"Steinitz" trader1
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Dear Steinitz,
thanks for sharing this approach. Yes please, do post some visual examples (with arrows or remarks please ) of good as well as of bad entries. That would help me more precisely understanding your rules.

Regards
T.
always expect the unexpected!
 
 
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  • Jun 7, 2007 3:37pm Jun 7, 2007 3:37pm
  •  babalawo
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Member | 13 Posts
hello steinitz
pls does the price have to fall witin the bb band?
and what are the setting to the bb bands
thanks so much
 
 
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  • Edited Jun 18, 2007 12:01am Jun 17, 2007 9:44pm | Edited Jun 18, 2007 12:01am
  •  AMGODI
  • | Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 11 Posts
my dear steinitz ... would you please ... send the template ...

thanks...
 
 
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  • Jun 18, 2007 9:51am Jun 18, 2007 9:51am
  •  FXSurfer
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: ~~~~~~~~~ | 3,692 Posts
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I don't wish anybody good luck, however I do wish you all "good standard deviations" !
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Very nice work and THANK YOU for sharing it!

FXS
 
 
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  • Last Post: Aug 14, 2007 4:39pm Aug 14, 2007 4:39pm
  •  Pipkingdom
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 49 Posts
Looks good so far..... Hey I think your Great Grandfather kicked my ass in a chess game a few lifetimes ago.
 
 
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