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  • #241
  • Nov 8, 2007 9:30am Nov 8, 2007 9:30am
Quoting Tmac
I just logged in to the account on page one of this thread and it has lost almost all of the 10,000 since this thread was started..it has $273 dollars left
LOL, where is the thread starter?
  • #242
  • Edited 10:08am Nov 8, 2007 9:36am | Edited 10:08am
Quoting Tmac
I just logged in to the account on page one of this thread and it has lost almost all of the 10,000 since this thread was started..it has $273 dollars left
LOL, Yes just like any other type of trading one needs to actually trade it. If a person stops making adjustments. The account will most likely take a crap.
  • #243
  • Nov 8, 2007 9:37am Nov 8, 2007 9:37am
Quoting zek132
LOL, where is the thread starter?
I suspect he probably found out what he wanted to know from the experiment.
  • #244
  • Nov 14, 2007 12:14am Nov 14, 2007 12:14am
Quoting smjones
I suspect he probably found out what he wanted to know from the experiment.
smjones, How is your demo acount going with this strategy?
  • #245
  • Nov 14, 2007 5:22am Nov 14, 2007 5:22am
Quoting jeffreytp
smjones, How is your demo acount going with this strategy?
It is fine. It is in safe mode right now and is up 23%, since it started in July.
It has done 442 trades, so I am feeling the test is about over. I think I will fund a small account of about 10k because the lot size is easy to figure and give it a live whirl. I am pretty satisfied with it.

Of course I will have to keep an eye on it and make sure to follow the rules regarding safe and non safe mode. But here is the latest stat.
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  • #246
  • Nov 20, 2007 9:30am Nov 20, 2007 9:30am
Quoting smjones
It is fine. It is in safe mode right now and is up 23%, since it started in July.
It has done 442 trades, so I am feeling the test is about over. I think I will fund a small account of about 10k because the lot size is easy to figure and give it a live whirl. I am pretty satisfied with it.

Of course I will have to keep an eye on it and make sure to follow the rules regarding safe and non safe mode. But here is the latest stat.
That is interesting how well you did. You may want to check out this post:

http://www.forex-tsd.com/suggestions...tml#post166295

The results do not jive...May want to talk with TimeFreedom and see what is up..
  • #247
  • Nov 20, 2007 9:48am Nov 20, 2007 9:48am
SMJones,

Did you start using martingale and once you determined the market was unwinding go into safe mode?

TimeFreedom

Quoting smjones
Of course I will have to keep an eye on it and make sure to follow the rules regarding safe and non safe mode. But here is the latest stat.
  • #248
  • Nov 20, 2007 9:59am Nov 20, 2007 9:59am
Quoting TimeFreedom
SMJones,

Did you start using martingale and once you determined the market was unwinding go into safe mode?

TimeFreedom
I went in to safe mode the moment the gbpjpy started falling and also as described in the PDF regarding the cash futures. I am doing fine with it.

I stopped my test about a week after my last post, on Sunday to be exact. I am now thinking about going with a small account when the carry starts to climb again. I have not completely decided. The facts are what they are and I have post the stats as they are.
  • #249
  • Nov 20, 2007 10:12am Nov 20, 2007 10:12am
I appreciate the quick response and I commend you for doing so well in this volatile market.

TimeFreedom

Quoting smjones
I went in to safe mode the moment the gbpjpy started falling and also as described in the PDF regarding the cash futures. I am doing fine with it.

I stopped my test about a week after my last post, on Sunday to be exact. I am now thinking about going with a small account when the carry starts to climb again. I have not completely decided. The facts are what they are and I have post the stats as they are.
  • #250
  • Nov 24, 2007 11:28pm Nov 24, 2007 11:28pm
Quoting zek132
LOL, where is the thread starter?
First of all - that original demo account was a stress test and NEVER went into safe mode. That is the reason it blew out.

Second - I am still around. I have been testing this same logic on multiple markets, not just currencies. I have mixed currencies with metals, energies, stocks, grains, softs. Trading all those as one basket. I started a demo 4 months ago and it is up 45% in that time. The non-correlated markets add and extra layer of protection compared to just "long the carry trade".
  • #251
  • Nov 27, 2007 2:31pm Nov 27, 2007 2:31pm
Quoting Xaron
Hi,

yes I use a similar strategy at Oanda. There is a great thread there:
http://www2.oanda.com/cgi-bin/msgboa...;f=15;t=006264

But I don't double my lot sizes if it goes down. I do average in as well but not with increasing lot sizes...

So far I use AUD/JPY, GBP/CHF, USD/JPY, NZD/USD and get about 2-5% per month.

Regards - Xaron
I have done a backtest on your 4 pairs AUD/JPY, GBP/CHF, USD/JPY, NZD/USD . What direction? In my test I used AUD/JPY(SELL), GBP/CHF(LONG), USD/JPY(SHORT), NZD/USD(LONG).

This combo gave the best overal ROI. 1 year data but interest was not made, lost. I don't beleive you could make interest and gain good results together. Its either one. I started with $2000 full account 200:1 leverage risk 10%

Total profit $3152.90 Swap $-689. ROI 156% from 1/1/07->11/27/07
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  • #252
  • Jan 3, 2008 4:40pm Jan 3, 2008 4:40pm
Latterly I had some problems with the Safe Mode... Im not sure when to double or not in base of the Futures... some times the positives and negatives are just mixed..

http://www2.barchart.com/mktcom.asp?...ion=currencies

any additional suggestions for this?
  • #253
  • Feb 6, 2008 11:29am Feb 6, 2008 11:29am
The second basket listed in the PDF appears to have a negative daily interest.

Buy Sell
1AUD/USD 1AUD/JPY
1EUR/CHF 1EUR/USD
1GBP/CHF 2GBP/USD
1GBP/JPY 2USD/CHF

Negative daily interest using IBFX is -6.1950

Is this correct?
  • #254
  • Feb 6, 2008 11:32am Feb 6, 2008 11:32am
Fab4x,

How are you calculating the lot sizes?
Thanks, Lcfx
  • #255
  • Feb 21, 2008 2:32pm Feb 21, 2008 2:32pm
chartguy,
what broker(s) are you using to mix this basket? Sounds interesting although your original currency basket seems to work great.
  • #256
  • Edited 12:50pm Mar 6, 2010 12:28pm | Edited 12:50pm
I have figured out the missing piece..... C-Trader was built to live through multiple hundred pip moves where martingale could not. We found out that Armegeddon type moves will still kill this method...... to which I had an epiphany how to make it work again:

The key, as we found out, is to NOT stick to a certain basket and direction no matter what is happening. When we were looking to get long the carry trade, we were basically betting come hell or high water, that we would stick in the direction of our trades no matter what. When the carry trade unwound faster than our hedges in place that were there to offset them, we all saw even C-Trader could not withstand the assault even in safe mode.

Enter in the dynamic basket.

We have the same basic concept, using martingale - but we will double up in the direction the pair is moving! So you still look at the basket as one trade and the equity of the basket as such, but when you are down 1% - you look at each individual pair and double up in the direction they are going.

For example

Let say you are long .10 lots USDCAD and Long .10 lots USDCHF and Long .10 lots EURUSD and long .10 lots AUDUSD as your basket for an example.

You drop 1% from market action and USDCAD is higher (winning), USDCHF is higher (winning), EURUSD is lower (losing) and AUDUSD is lower (losing)..... so what do you do?

You buy .20 lots of USDCAD, you buy .20 lots of USDCHF, you sell .30 lots of EURUSD (to get net short .20 lots of EURUSD) and you sell .30 lots of AUDUSD (to get net short AUDUSD)

You have now just changed the dynamic of your basket. From 4 longs in the first example, to two longs and 2 shorts. You are heading in the direction of the move. This WILL protect against an unending move in the wrong direction.

You will lose is you happen to have all your pairs bouncing in a range at the same time. If you pairs are mixed enough - this should not be an issue.

Back during the collapse, with martingale, instead of adding in the deep drop over and over, you will instead join the trend with larger lots.

This will protect your account, and allow you to rake in the pips......

Let's get this going again!

We need a programmer to write an EA that you can put on a bunch of pairs. It will look at global open P/L of all pairs. If the account gets to -$1000 for example, it will look at the pair for which chart its one (each chart gets its own EA) and will see if the last trade is + or -. If positive, it will martingale in the direction of the last trade. If negative it will martingale plus add the offset position in the other direction......

Thoughts and feedback?

I think this was the missing piece.
  • #257
  • Mar 6, 2010 12:57pm Mar 6, 2010 12:57pm
I plan to use 10 pairs on $100k account starting at .10 lots each pair.

I think My target will be $500 per unit.

So at .10 lots - $500 target
.20 lots I will want $1000
.40 lots on I will want $2000

etc etc. Ill see how that flies and change it as I get more info.

I'm pumped. I know C-Trader was foundationally decent and could only break with a massive unwind, which of course we got. This is more likely to withstand anything that gets thrown at it.
  • #258
  • Mar 6, 2010 2:23pm Mar 6, 2010 2:23pm
To further re-iterate the new method, we must look at why the original could not withstand an unwind.

With the old method, you could blow an account out with just one pair going against you, if the other pairs were not offsetting enough. So for a gross example, let's say you have 5 pairs trading. 4 of them are range bound and 1 it blowing up.

When the combined account drops 1% - you would have doubled up on all pairs. The one pair that is blowing up is the one that is going to blow the account up if the other 4 pairs are sitting around and doing nothing. We were only safe if we had the other pairs moving a combined amount that would protect the one that is going against us big. Even though we had many pairs, we are basically just martingaling into a disaster and hoping that the pair that is blowing up in one direction turns around, or pray that the rest of the group gets moving.

With the new method, this will not be a problem. If the 4 are not moving - then we are not getting hurt or being helped by those. The one pair that is moving big in one direction, we will jump on that bandwagon and ride it to profit, instead of hoping it stops bleeding.
  • #259
  • Mar 7, 2010 4:52am Mar 7, 2010 4:52am
real market is far more complicated to overcome than "simplying trading the moving pair".

maybe u need a systematic way to make up a new basket during unwinding times.

Quoting chartguy
To further re-iterate the new method, we must look at why the original could not withstand an unwind.

With the old method, you could blow an account out with just one pair going against you, if the other pairs were not offsetting enough. So for a gross example, let's say you have 5 pairs trading. 4 of them are range bound and 1 it blowing up.

When the combined account drops 1% - you would have doubled up on all pairs. The one pair that is blowing up is the one that is going to blow the account up if the other 4 pairs are sitting around and...
  • #260
  • Mar 7, 2010 7:42am Mar 7, 2010 7:42am
Quoting chartguy
To further re-iterate the new method, we must look at why the original could not withstand an unwind.

With the old method, you could blow an account out with just one pair going against you, if the other pairs were not offsetting enough. So for a gross example, let's say you have 5 pairs trading. 4 of them are range bound and 1 it blowing up.

When the combined account drops 1% - you would have doubled up on all pairs. The one pair that is blowing up is the one that is going to blow the account up if the other 4 pairs are sitting around and doing...
Hi,

It all seems reasonable, and I think you may be on to something here. I am signing up.
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