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  • #141
  • Nov 15, 2007 11:33am Nov 15, 2007 11:33am
Hello nicedevil
Quoting nicedevil
hope you can guide me if there are something that i don't understand ..
Just ask. I'm sure you'll be answered...
  • #142
  • Nov 15, 2007 1:04pm Nov 15, 2007 1:04pm
Finally, after 2 days of losses i understood... that during the day i should be only in 1 type of position.... today it was short.... I tried for 4 times long position.... but havent succed and quit by stop loss.... and tried 3 short positions.... and they were succeeded..... Also i stayed overnight, i hope i was right...
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  • #143
  • Nov 15, 2007 1:17pm Nov 15, 2007 1:17pm
Quoting Protei
Finally, after 2 days of losses i understood... that during the day i should be only in 1 type of position.... today it was short.... I tried for 4 times long position.... but havent succed and quit by stop loss.... and tried 3 short positions.... and they were succeeded..... Also i stayed overnight, i hope i was right...
Hi Protei,

It is hard to advise something that I'm not in.
But it seems to me that you're confused which direction to open a position.

Before to find out chaos system I used to place orders on both side of last day candle.

Now I thinkg (until I find some arguments against this) that to enter the market I need some sort of signal I believe in.

Nevertheless it is subjective for the moment I this this is the better way of trading for me.

... If this at all is useful to you
  • #144
  • Nov 15, 2007 1:22pm Nov 15, 2007 1:22pm
isto, its usefull while i dont know how fxbroker count these levels.... i can only make propagations.... and nothing else. Also i'm still not sure how to understand what type of the day is.... look my chart.... till the middle of the day i though it is bearish... then i thought it is bullish and will be till the end of the day.... but i was wrong... it was still bearish.... This is a big question for me
  • #145
  • Nov 15, 2007 1:36pm Nov 15, 2007 1:36pm
Quoting isto
Hi Protei,

Nevertheless it is subjective for the moment I this this is the better way of trading for me.

... If this at all is useful to you
Subjectivity.
I disagree. You can say qualitative analysis instead of quantitative
nevertheless, financial chaos is grounded on sound laws governing price
or human behaviours.
  • #146
  • Nov 15, 2007 1:43pm Nov 15, 2007 1:43pm
Quoting Protei
isto, its usefull while i dont know how fxbroker count these levels.... i can only make propagations.... and nothing else. Also i'm still not sure how to understand what type of the day is.... look my chart.... till the middle of the day i though it is bearish... then i thought it is bullish and will be till the end of the day.... but i was wrong... it was still bearish.... This is a big question for me
Protei, I'm sure all readers in this thread are keen on fxbroker's work.
I'm also curious about...

But let's face his willing not to share his knowledge on a forum.
He has his own reasons to do this and let's respect it.

We have to realise that trading has been existing before chaos and will, long after. Many system has been created.
Many trader grows rich with them.
Many others - didn't.

I doubt that sharing some system, even if this he The Holy Graal, will help to the trader it is shared with, to become successful one.
If the studen does not understand the concept behind the system.

I believe that if one shares a system with two traders - they both will trade the same system differently. Just becuase each system is human reflection of the view about what happend on the market...
And this views never equals.

I also believe that discussing something with other kindred souls help both sides to clear their understanding on the matter inspiring new ideas and helping to dive deeper in the core of the knowledge.

Keep trying ...
  • #147
  • Edited 2:29pm Nov 15, 2007 1:58pm | Edited 2:29pm
isto, no problem... I have ideas how to understand type of the market.... but they are still not proved.... anyway i will keep searching....
  • #148
  • Nov 15, 2007 3:37pm Nov 15, 2007 3:37pm
Quoting isto

I doubt that sharing some system, even if this he The Holy Graal, will help to the trader it is shared with, to become successful one.
If the studen does not understand the concept behind the system.

I believe that if one shares a system with two traders - they both will trade the same system differently. Just becuase each system is human reflection of the view about what happend on the market...
And this views never equals.

I also believe that discussing something with other kindred souls help both sides to clear their understanding on the matter inspiring new ideas and helping to dive deeper in the core of the knowledge.

Keep trying ...

I think we are going over this issue again and again.
Before I started posting I have been following your thread
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...=26044&page=43
for almost a year. In fact it was because of that I signed up
for this forum. Since Dec 2006 I read most threads and I found
out that most people posting are struggling with the concept, and
the not trading chaos, they maybe making profits but they could
make more profits.......tons of it if they implement chaos.

So if it is complex then it is not chaos. This is why I joined
this thread to provide alternative views but not to shot myself
on the foot. I will still give the same advice given to nicedevil
some where in this forum and he acted on it.


The is the second time you mentioned Holy Grail to my
post, so can you imagine I have been reading and following
this thread since last year when I first started researching
into chaos, we've agreed on cert is not compulsory

So please let's share what is shareable and set aside what
you think is hype!
  • #149
  • Nov 15, 2007 7:25pm Nov 15, 2007 7:25pm
Quoting isto
Hello nicedevil


Just ask. I'm sure you'll be answered...
Hello ISTO.....nice 2 meet you...
thanks for your support...
  • #150
  • Nov 15, 2007 10:14pm Nov 15, 2007 10:14pm
fxbroker, thanks for your help.... this thread is very nice.... i need to analize charts little bit more... so maybe i will find a tendency. What i have seen allready is that usually in the morning last days movement continues until europe begins to trade.... then market goes in turbulence.... and after choosing direction goes till american economical statistic or opening of US markets. then we also see turbulence.... and this tendency continues again till next days opening of european market. Look on the chart.
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  • #151
  • Nov 16, 2007 1:18am Nov 16, 2007 1:18am
Quoting Protei
fxbroker, thanks for your help.... this thread is very nice.... i need to analize charts little bit more... so maybe i will find a tendency. What i have seen allready is that usually in the morning last days movement continues until europe begins to trade.... then market goes in turbulence.... and after choosing direction goes till american economical statistic or opening of US markets. then we also see turbulence.... and this tendency continues again till next days opening of european market. Look on the chart.
1. Your first turbulence seems to be edge of your chaos. You should
not confuse turbulence to mean bad thing if you are in the right
direction


2. It is not right to infer that yesterday trend will continue today
unless you are absolutely sure of it. It is difficult to look at a graph
and said yes it will. I have formalised about +6 laws
governing deterministic price behaviour. This allow me to say with
certainty what price will do when it gets to certain price levels and
that is why it is called deterministic behaviour. Not all aspect
of price behaviour we can determine and it is of no use to
start stating them here and how I applied them. This is because
forum will not be appropriate to discuss them fully. I have laws
governing price behaviour at edges of chaos and different types of
chaos. I have laws governing opening of markets. Based on these
laws and conditions at market openings I use to determine new
direction. It is not actually a specific once off formula or an
indicator flashing the direction of the market.

That is why it is difficult for me to say if a trend will
continue or not until certain conditions are met or breached.
If condition are met for good trade I take position, if they
are breached I either take opposit trade or refuse to
trade because I will not be able to say with all certainty
what next the market will do. In that way I avoid
problems. Most times I forced myself to join what I
did not plan for I always suffer heavy losses.


3. You have to know the impact of UK and US fundamental on stocks
I personally do not know what impact they have on stocks. I can
only talk of the type of impact they have on currencies.

4. I do not know what you take to be your market opening and closing
how long your market last - 1min, 1 day, 2days , 1 week, months
and so on. All these affect too what is your turbulence or not.

It is not because I want you to take my mentorship programme, it does
not have to be my programme, I will advice that you should still
do a proper reading of Bill Williams strategy if that is the one you
are using, someone reported may +300 pips with it yesterday, so it
should not be that difficult.
  • #152
  • Nov 16, 2007 1:31am Nov 16, 2007 1:31am
Hi fxbroker
Quoting fxbroker
So if it is complex then it is not chaos. This is why I joined
this thread to provide alternative views but not to shot myself
on the foot.
... So please let's share what is shareable and set aside what
you think is hype!
It is up to you what to share and what - not. Nobody, as I could see, ask you to kill yourself.

I'm the last person that will start giving advise what one should do.

Reading the same post you've probably also read my oppinion, and it is:
Quoting isto
...But let's face his willing not to share his knowledge on a forum.
He has his own reasons to do this and let's respect it....
I do not have nothing agains you and your methods.
I'm sorry to see you take my posts offensing somehow. This is not the intended.

This only thing I see as "out of the topic" is your attempts to sell your system without beeng asked for.

Anyway your comments are welcome (as I already said few times).
At least I am reading your chart/trading analysis careful
  • #153
  • Nov 16, 2007 1:56am Nov 16, 2007 1:56am
Quoting isto
Hi fxbroker

This only thing I see as "out of the topic" is your attempts to sell your system without beeng asked for.

Anyway your comments are welcome (as I already said few times).
At least I am reading your chart/trading analysis careful
I have not attempted to sell anything directly. Show me where I said
come and buy from me. We are all selling one thing or the other. Why should I be afraid to sell what I work for if some asked me to give more than what I consider free. What is free is free.

We all selling and buying currencies and whatever.

Anyway the image below is my planned for GBP/USD

Predicted chaos = Bearish
Dependant on the initial conditions.

I will buy to upper edge if price is above level 2
or else sell to lower edge.
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  • #154
  • Nov 16, 2007 2:01am Nov 16, 2007 2:01am
Quoting isto
Hi fxbroker



This only thing I see as "out of the topic" is your attempts to sell your system without beeng asked for.
Hi Isto

I agree with you on this. This topic is trading chaos as defined by Bill Williams.

I wish you good trading today.
Hope isn't a viable investment vehicle.
  • #155
  • Nov 16, 2007 2:29am Nov 16, 2007 2:29am
on hourly 2.0408 is strong obstacle but similar fractal
caved in at 15min - so hopefully hourly should caved
in. this is the concept of fractal self-similarity. If
this happened stop loss behind 2.0408 and go fishing

My current stop loss is at 2.0440.
  • #156
  • Nov 16, 2007 2:37am Nov 16, 2007 2:37am
Quoting fxbroker
...Anyway the image below is my planned for GBP/USD...
Which time frame is posted chart?
  • #157
  • Nov 16, 2007 3:03am Nov 16, 2007 3:03am
Quoting isto
Which time frame is posted chart?
15mins
  • #158
  • Nov 16, 2007 3:06am Nov 16, 2007 3:06am
Quoting fxbroker
15mins
there is currently bearish bar developing on 15mins
after that a Bill Williams fractal will developed
Placed stoploss behind it. This should
consolidate about 50pips for the rest of the day
if it passed below 2.0404
  • #159
  • Nov 16, 2007 3:30am Nov 16, 2007 3:30am
Quoting fxbroker
there is currently bearish bar developing on 15mins
after that a Bill Williams fractal will developed
Placed stoploss behind it. This should
consolidate about 50pips for the rest of the day
if it passed below 2.0404
Stoploss triggered at 37pips looking to enter sell again
at clearance or close to 2.0480
  • #160
  • Nov 16, 2007 4:53am Nov 16, 2007 4:53am
Quoting fxbroker
Stoploss triggered at 37pips looking to enter sell again
at clearance or close to 2.0480
I have closed out 70pips to consolidate 100 pips for the day
I will consider selling again after there is a clearance
above 2.0374.

If you on trading and aiming at lower edge, your stoploss
should be above 2.0387. I will be selling from there
downward again.
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