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Is all this catagorisation healthy?

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  • First Post: Oct 23, 2007 9:27pm Oct 23, 2007 9:27pm
  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
I find myself regularly reading posts (not just on FF), about why some "trading styles" are better/worse than others.
Why trend trading is "better" than swing trading, is "better" than day-trading etc. etc. etc.

In life, many of us rebel against the mere thought of being catagorised, classed or classified in any way shape or form..."I am me, an individual" we tell ourselves, not what he said, or she said, or they call me.

So I often ask the question - Is all this really necessary or infact helpful to anyone? Is it even "healthy" for the mental state of so many new traders in this arena?

I often speak to "newbie" traders who ask me that exact question:
"Which way to trade is better?"
Besides trying to be profitable, they also have to contend with "what kind of trader am I?" type questions that face them. "Will I be more profitable if I day-trade? or long-term trend trade?" It is a huge psycological barrier for a very large number of traders, to not know where they "fit in".

Does it really matter? As you see SO often from peoples responses to threads about "trading styles", it is the TRADER and his attitude that makes all the difference.

Personally, I have been, and still am "all of the above".

IMHO, you have to be flexible, adaptable and resilient, at all times, or the market will eat you alive.

One thing we CAN all agree on, and is probably the most important factor to hold on to, is that we are all TRADERS.
(can't we all just get along )
Carpe Divitiae
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  • Oct 23, 2007 9:38pm Oct 23, 2007 9:38pm
  •  Micro-MiniMe
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Seasoned Trader | 820 Posts
Quoting fsiltd
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(can't we all just get along )
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Well, if you can make that happen here...
there's a great job for you waiting in Washington DC!
 
 
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  • Oct 23, 2007 9:44pm Oct 23, 2007 9:44pm
  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
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Well, if you can make that happen here...
there's a great job for you waiting in Washington DC!
LOL!!

Hell NO!! Thank you.
Carpe Divitiae
 
 
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  • Oct 23, 2007 9:47pm Oct 23, 2007 9:47pm
  •  ActioReactio
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 38 Posts
Quoting fsiltd
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I find myself regularly reading posts (not just on FF), about why some "trading styles" are better/worse than others.
Why trend trading is "better" than swing trading, is "better" than day-trading etc. etc. etc.

In life, many of us rebel against the mere thought of being catagorised, classed or classified in any way shape or form..."I am me, an individual" we tell ourselves, not what he said, or she said, or they call me.

So I often ask the question - Is all this really necessary or infact helpful to anyone? Is it even "healthy" for the mental state of so many new traders in this arena?

I often speak to "newbie" traders who ask me that exact question:
"Which way to trade is better?"
Besides trying to be profitable, they also have to contend with "what kind of trader am I?" type questions that face them. "Will I be more profitable if I day-trade? or long-term trend trade?" It is a huge psycological barrier for a very large number of traders, to not know where they "fit in".

Does it really matter? As you see SO often from peoples responses to threads about "trading styles", it is the TRADER and his attitude that makes all the difference.

Personally, I have been, and still am "all of the above".

IMHO, you have to be flexible, adaptable and resilient, at all times, or the market will eat you alive.

One thing we CAN all agree on, and is probably the most important factor to hold on to, is that we are all TRADERS.
(can't we all just get along )
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Lets hope the irony of your post is not lost on the masses.
 
 
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  • Oct 23, 2007 9:50pm Oct 23, 2007 9:50pm
  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
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Lets hope the irony of your post is not lost on the masses.
Ditto
Carpe Divitiae
 
 
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  • Oct 23, 2007 11:52pm Oct 23, 2007 11:52pm
  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
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(can't we all just get along )
omg... apparently we can't!

I just had a very "stongly worded" and very opinionated response via private e-mail to this post.
(No worries mate, I won't post who you are here. Even though I know you are a FF member, seeing as I did not post this anywhere else )

Among the very strong responses to my statements, was a little dig at what is now my "Title" under the handle/nic I use.

"forget PIPS - make MONEY instead"

Just for sh*ts and giggles, I'll ask the same question I just asked him here too.

"If I told you I just made $1000 on a trade. Would you be more impressed if it was done in 10pips, or 100pips? What about 23.7pips?"

Which would you be more impressed with?

Me, I'm impressed with the fact that I made $1000 !
:

It is (again) a personal pet theory of mine.
I make N-dollars per day/week/month. NOT N-pips.
Maybe it's from the equities/commodities background, but my targets are in monitary units... not pips/ticks, and it has served me very well over the years.

Just something to think about...
Carpe Divitiae
 
 
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  • Oct 24, 2007 12:43am Oct 24, 2007 12:43am
  •  linkarr
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 49 Posts
well, to me, there are only

Self-enriching trader,

and

Money-burning trader.

Me, I am thinking of CAPITAL GROWTH.
 
 
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  • Oct 24, 2007 2:04am Oct 24, 2007 2:04am
  •  steviet
  • Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 2,512 Posts
Quoting fsiltd
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I find myself regularly reading posts (not just on FF), about why some "trading styles" are better/worse than others.
Why trend trading is "better" than swing trading, is "better" than day-trading etc. etc. etc.

In life, many of us rebel against the mere thought of being catagorised, classed or classified in any way shape or form..."I am me, an individual" we tell ourselves, not what he said, or she said, or they call me.

So I often ask the question - Is all this really necessary or infact helpful to anyone? Is it even "healthy" for the mental state of so many new traders in this arena?

I often speak to "newbie" traders who ask me that exact question:
"Which way to trade is better?"
Besides trying to be profitable, they also have to contend with "what kind of trader am I?" type questions that face them. "Will I be more profitable if I day-trade? or long-term trend trade?" It is a huge psycological barrier for a very large number of traders, to not know where they "fit in".

Does it really matter? As you see SO often from peoples responses to threads about "trading styles", it is the TRADER and his attitude that makes all the difference.

Personally, I have been, and still am "all of the above".

IMHO, you have to be flexible, adaptable and resilient, at all times, or the market will eat you alive.

One thing we CAN all agree on, and is probably the most important factor to hold on to, is that we are all TRADERS.
(can't we all just get along )
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Great post - couldn't agree more

Sorry, I don't say a lot

Kind Regards
Steve
 
 
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  • Oct 24, 2007 9:19am Oct 24, 2007 9:19am
  •  HalifaxCB
  • | Joined Apr 2007 | Status: Ich habe genug | 551 Posts
It's funny, but I think the one thing that stands out in my mind having worked in a collection of different fields is that peole who proselytize hard for one system over all the others are basically just insecure in their beliefs, and probably incompetent. It really doesn't seem to matter what field you pick, although it seems to be strongest in openly subjective fields (religion, politics, art, literature) and a bit less so in the more objective ones (the hard sciences - physics, chemistry, math). So perhaps in that way over categorization is useful, as it can be used to act as a filter; as soon as someone starts bangng their own drum too loudly for my tastes I head for the hills, looking for folks who just enjoy what they are doing, are happy to explore their ideas and mine, and have no intention of converting me
 
 
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  • Last Post: Oct 24, 2007 9:38am Oct 24, 2007 9:38am
  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
Food for thought indeed!
Always appreciate your responses, and honoured that you graced my little thread with your presence.

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So perhaps in that way over categorization is useful, as it can be used to act as a filter;
I do agree, however, in the context of what I started this thread about, do you not think that new (even seasoned) traders have a hard enough time, without having to "identify" themselves as this kind of trader or that...

"Identity" issues like these can have a devastating effect on a persons psychie, especially trading the forex! I have seen it cause folk to abandon perfectly sound methods and systems, because of not wanting to be "branded" as a day-trader.
As if that would somehow "offend" the "experts" who tout trend-trading or swing-trading or whatever.

Also, the people that sell the "don't sit infront of your screen all day" lines...
Is this not why we became traders? I know it's why I did. Made a business out of it, and treat it as such.
That doesn't mean I am a slave to my charts though!
If I've met a weekly or monthly target/objective, 2, 3 or 5 days early, hell, I take the rest of the week off!
If it requires 6, 8, 12 hours a day, 5 days a week...then I do that too.

I suppose what I'm trying to get at, in amongst all this rambling, is just to try and at least get a message across to some new traders joining the fray and maybe stumble accross this post.

Be any kind of trader you want. Be all kinds of traders. DO NOT let anyone tell you you cannot do one, or many things. Be adabtable. Be flexible. Try and just trade what you see. Take it easy. Have fun.

Peace!
Carpe Divitiae
 
 
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