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  • #1,921
  • Apr 8, 2026 9:49am Apr 8, 2026 9:49am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ hey pip...... are you still using 0.5 lots on your forex trades....... i opened a forex darwin yesterday just to give it a try..... only trading forex crosses...... was not sure if there was an optimum size...... 0.1 seems ok if targeting 1000 per day...... my favorite 0.01 seems way too small......h
Wouldn't it be more sensible, especially in the Forex/CFD sector where there are no standardized position sizes required, to dynamically determine your position size instead of using fixed/static values, e.g.

Position Size = (equity × risk %) ÷ stop-loss distance
  • #1,922
  • Apr 8, 2026 9:57am Apr 8, 2026 9:57am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ hey pip...... are you still using 0.5 lots on your forex trades....... i opened a forex darwin yesterday just to give it a try..... only trading forex crosses...... was not sure if there was an optimum size...... 0.1 seems ok if targeting 1000 per day...... my favorite 0.01 seems way too small......h
Yes, still 0.5, so a 100 point move on a USD cross is $500
  • #1,923
  • Apr 8, 2026 11:15am Apr 8, 2026 11:15am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Wouldn't it be more sensible, especially in the Forex/CFD sector where there are no standardized position sizes required, to dynamically determine your position size instead of using fixed/static values, e.g. Position Size = (equity × risk %) ÷ stop-loss distance
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that sort of stuff never enters my mind......

i just use the smallest lot size available preferably 0.01 for all orders..... here it seemed much too small compared to account size....... so figured i'd bump it up a decimal point......

less thought..... no math..... simpler......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,924
  • Apr 8, 2026 11:41am Apr 8, 2026 11:41am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ that sort of stuff never enters my mind...... i just use the smallest lot size available preferably 0.01 for all orders..... here it seemed much too small compared to account size....... so figured i'd bump it up a decimal point...... less thought..... no math..... simpler......h
Well, using such kind of position size strategy would fix your problems straight away and you wouldn’t have to spent one more minute thinking about your position size. Since you can code, it could be automated in less than a few lines. Couldn’t be any simpler than this. But yes, if you prefer do use a fixed size, use a fix size. I just wanted to help. However, only amateurs in the retail space seem to be calculating position sizes based on a fixed „lot“ instead of using methods that dynamically scale with your equity, stop loss distances and volatility regimes. Using fixed position sizes is like driving a car at the same speed regardless of what the traffic is.
  • #1,925
  • Apr 8, 2026 12:47pm Apr 8, 2026 12:47pm
Quoting Noisy
Using fixed position sizes is like driving a car at the same speed regardless of what the traffic is.
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that's neat........ never have thought of it in that unique way but your absolutely right......

and that's me...... 1 speed...... slow....

there are more important things to think about in trading......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,926
  • Apr 8, 2026 1:06pm Apr 8, 2026 1:06pm
Quoting hayseed
there are more important things to think about in trading......h
Yes, that's right.
  • #1,927
  • Apr 9, 2026 5:30am Apr 9, 2026 5:30am
Does anyone know if Saturdays and Sundays are also counted as trading days during the calibration phase? For example if i would place two symbolic trades for a crypto market (which are also open on weekends).

The reason I'm asking is this: My Darwin currently needs another 7 trading days to complete the calibration. If I only traded on weekdays, that would be on Monday, April 17th. However, since the Darwins are only generated on weekends and then available on the following Tuesday, I would have to wait another whole week, and my Darwin wouldn't be generated until Tuesday, April 28th. That would only leave me with Wednesday and Thursday until the end of the month.

Yes, I know that my performance also counts during calibration, and that I could still reach the minimum rating of 75 by the end of April and secure the 30k Silver allocation for May. However, assuming I don't reach the minimum rating on the 28th, I would only have two more trading days this month to potentially improve and still achieve the minimum rating.
  • #1,928
  • Apr 9, 2026 6:35am Apr 9, 2026 6:35am
Quoting Noisy
Does anyone know if Saturdays and Sundays are also counted as trading days during the calibration phase? For example if i would place two symbolic trades for a crypto market (which are also open on weekends). The reason I'm asking is this: My Darwin currently needs another 7 trading days to complete the calibration. If I only traded on weekdays, that would be on Monday, April 17th. However, since the Darwins are only generated on weekends and then available on the following Tuesday, I would have to wait another whole week, and my Darwin wouldn't...
Sure, just popped it in google.....
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  • #1,929
  • Apr 9, 2026 7:42am Apr 9, 2026 7:42am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Sure, just popped it in google.....{image}
Thanks Pip. Yes, I had read that too, but someone from the Darwinex support team told me that only weekdays count. I'll try it this coming weekend and hope that the days are counted.
  • #1,930
  • Apr 12, 2026 4:33am Apr 12, 2026 4:33am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //--- if you compared the returns, trades, profit, loss and such of all the accounts it would not appear they are correlated..... they are...... i am not 100% sure exactly how correlation is arrived at...... it appears they are only comparing the symmetry of returns...... if so, that is a terrible flaw....... imagine someone with 20 accounts whose goal was 500$ in each account per day...... the symmetry of returns would be almost identical...... correlated..... even though every account might be trading something different..... the 500$...
Thanks for the reply hayseed. I see your point.
  • #1,931
  • Apr 12, 2026 5:24am Apr 12, 2026 5:24am
Hi everyone,

This is my first post here and I’m looking for some advice.

I started my Darwinex Zero account about 1.5 years ago. The first few months went well — I even received some payouts and made it to Gold. However, at some point things changed and I went into full tilt mode. I more or less treated the account like a casino, which has resulted in my risk multiplier dropping very low — currently around 0.09.

Lately, I’ve been getting more disciplined again, especially with risk management, and I’m now getting close to my high water mark for my permanent allocation.

What would be the best and fastest way to increase my risk multiplier from here?

Thanks in advance for any insights!
  • #1,932
  • Apr 12, 2026 2:21pm Apr 12, 2026 2:21pm
Quoting Flowtrader29
Hi everyone, This is my first post here and I’m looking for some advice. I started my Darwinex Zero account about 1.5 years ago. The first few months went well — I even received some payouts and made it to Gold. However, at some point things changed and I went into full tilt mode. I more or less treated the account like a casino, which has resulted in my risk multiplier dropping very low — currently around 0.09. Lately, I’ve been getting more disciplined again, especially with risk management, and I’m now getting close to my high water mark for...
Try this

- lower trade size
- reduce holding time
- reduce trade frequency
  • #1,933
  • Apr 12, 2026 6:10pm Apr 12, 2026 6:10pm
Quoting Flowtrader29
I’m now getting close to my high water mark for my permanent allocation. What would be the best and fastest way to increase my risk multiplier from here
//----

great job on the recovery......

watch your var..... 4 or less seems to work best for me...... that should raise your risk multiple maybe 0.10 a month...... maybe more.....

that permanent is lifetime so you have plenty time.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,934
  • Edited Apr 13, 2026 10:23am Apr 12, 2026 7:32pm | Edited Apr 13, 2026 10:23am
Quoting Flowtrader29
Hi everyone, This is my first post here and I’m looking for some advice. I started my Darwinex Zero account about 1.5 years ago. The first few months went well — I even received some payouts and made it to Gold. However, at some point things changed and I went into full tilt mode. I more or less treated the account like a casino, which has resulted in my risk multiplier dropping very low — currently around 0.09. Lately, I’ve been getting more disciplined again, especially with risk management, and I’m now getting close to my high water mark for...
The risk engine has a rolling 45 trading days recalibration model. As expected the risk engine will knock you down fairly quickly in order to protect investors (allocations). On the flip side, it doesn't give you back your risk multiplier as fast. It needs to see a consistent behavioral change for a longer period of time. It reminds me of when I was a kid and got sent to my room. After several hours in my room my mother would ask if I wanted to act like an adult and come down to eat dinner. (of course I said no, I'd rather starve than put up with your abusive commie rules. Thats how GenXers roll baby) Same concept for DZero but you have to trade like an adult for 2 months before you get your risk multiplier up

I did the same thing you did a year or so ago. It was on my DZero forex account. Consistently traded one 2 lot position at a time. Got 5 straight allocations, a few payouts, then went on a losing streak and started revenge trading like a madman. Traded 10 plus lots for a week or so and my risk multiplier fell to 0.19

At that point I forced myself to trade exactly ONE 2 lot position at a time for the next 2 months (roughly 45 trading days). Kind of like a 2 month timeout for toddlers. Anyways, right around the 2 month mark my risk multpilier jumped up to 0.5. I kept on trading the same way and a month later it was up to 0.76.

Of course I eventually went crazy again and blew up and had to spend all my payout money on a personal therapist
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,935
  • Apr 13, 2026 12:17am Apr 13, 2026 12:17am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Try this - lower trade size - reduce holding time - reduce trade frequency
Thanks! My plan is to stick to intraday trades that
last only a few hours, risk around 0.5% of the account per trade, and limit myself to 1–3 trades per day.

I’ve previously mixed swing trading and day trading, which the risk engine doesn’t seem to like
  • #1,936
  • Apr 13, 2026 12:26am Apr 13, 2026 12:26am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- great job on the recovery...... watch your var..... 4 or less seems to work best for me...... that should raise your risk multiple maybe 0.10 a month...... maybe more..... that permanent is lifetime so you have plenty time.....h
Great, I Will Watch the var. Have you done anything specific to keep it below 4? I am thinking of lowering my risk significantly for a period of time until I have recovered and not worry much of how much profit i make.

The permanent allocation is the reason I haven’t reset the account. Glad I got it before it was removed.
  • #1,937
  • Apr 13, 2026 12:43am Apr 13, 2026 12:43am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} The risk engine has a rolling 45 trading recalibration model. As expected the risk engine will knock you down fairly quickly in order to protect investors (allocations). On the flip side, it doesn't give you back your risk multiplier as fast. It needs to see a consistent behavioral change for a longer period of time. It reminds me of when I was a kid and got sent to my room. After several hours in my room my mother would ask if I wanted to act like an adult and come down to eat dinner. (of course I said no, I'd rather starve than put up...
Lol yeah, it looks like I’ll unfortunately have to trade like an adult for a while.

Is it 45 trading days for the recalibration? That sounds really encouraging though — getting the multiplier up to 0.76 is impressive. Hopefully I’ll get there at some point in the future

Like you said, I guess the key is mainly to stay very consistent for a period of time
  • #1,938
  • Apr 13, 2026 3:27am Apr 13, 2026 3:27am
Quoting Flowtrader29
{quote} Lol yeah, it looks like I’ll unfortunately have to trade like an adult for a while. Is it 45 trading days for the recalibration? That sounds really encouraging though — getting the multiplier up to 0.76 is impressive. Hopefully I’ll get there at some point in the future Like you said, I guess the key is mainly to stay very consistent for a period of time
From Google:

Increasing your risk multiplier (VaR Ratio) on Darwinex quickly is generally discouraged by their risk management system, which adapts to your trading style over a 45-day rolling window. The system is designed to standardize risk to a 6.5% monthly VaR; it lowers the multiplier when you take high risks and increases it when you take low risks.

To legally and effectively increase your risk multiplier through the Darwinex algorithm, you should follow these methods:

  1. Consistently Trade Low-Risk: The fastest, safest way is to trade with very low leverage and small position sizes. If your personal "Strategy VaR" is lower than the Darwinex target (6.5%), the engine will automatically apply a multiplier greater than 1x to boost your DARWIN's risk.
  2. Reduce Drawdowns: Ensure your trading strategy keeps drawdowns minimal. The risk engine calculates the multiplier based on the last 45 days of performance; lower drawdowns allow the engine to increase your multiplier.
  3. Avoid Large, Erratic Trades: Drastically increasing lot sizes to boost performance will be flagged as "gaming the system." The risk engine will recognize this as high-risk behavior and lower your multiplier, not increase it.
  4. Be Patient (45-Day Cycle): The algorithm requires time to adapt. While you can influence it by changing your trading behavior, it takes 45 days for the risk engine to fully adjust to new, lower-risk trading behavior.

Key Takeaway: You cannot "hack" the system for a fast increase. The only way to get a high multiplier is to exhibit sustained low-risk, consistent, and profitable trading, which causes the engine to reward you with higher leverage.

  • #1,939
  • Apr 13, 2026 8:09am Apr 13, 2026 8:09am
I’ve upgraded to monthly payouts, so IF I’ll get the 30k Silver Allocation for May and end up profitable, my first payout could be June. Would have to make 2% in May to cover the 90€ paid for April/May.
  • #1,940
  • Apr 13, 2026 12:03pm Apr 13, 2026 12:03pm
Quiet in here. Pipmaster is still on the Yacht and Hayseed is busy with buying more boosters :-)
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