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  • #1,881
  • Apr 2, 2026 9:03pm Apr 2, 2026 9:03pm
Quoting hayseed
today is my first payout of the month..... not going to do as well as planed..... most accounts fell back 1 or 2% from their mid month high..... most are still in a 4 or 5k drawdown......that's not much on the futures account but until i regain the high water mark it's a standstill..... ever since someone had that mix up on subscription payments i've paid special attention to mine...... i always leave a hundred or more in the earnings available plus the correlated credits keep adding up...... once there's enough to buy a booster, i spend that.........
hayseed, are you trading to buy boosters with credits? And at what point do you take profit from boosters in the form of payouts? I've read some of your booster comments but lack full contextual understading as we are all different. I had to take time out from trading and now just considering darwinex boosters as a strategy.
  • #1,882
  • Apr 2, 2026 9:56pm Apr 2, 2026 9:56pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} hayseed, are you trading to buy boosters with credits? And at what point do you take profit from boosters in the form of payouts? I've read some of your booster comments but lack full contextual understading as we are all different. I had to take time out from trading and now just considering darwinex boosters as a strategy.
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i had bought boosters early on but starting back in november i would buy boosters with the profit made in the lazy caterer sequence...... reinvesting all profit made in more boosters.....

at a point the accounts become maxed out so in those , yes, i just withdraw the profit...... withdrew just under 4k today......

at first i was buying instants...... some of the guys here mentioned the target type might be better...... it took me a bit to fully understand that......

they were correct...... now i go mostly with the 200k 36 month at 10 or 15 % targets.....

most my accounts are correlated so they are excluded from silver allocations and i get the correlation subscription credits.....

but i still manage to get some rewards..... at the moment i have 510,000 in silver allocations across all accounts combined.....

darwinex zero is no doubt the perfect trading system for me.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,883
  • Apr 3, 2026 1:39am Apr 3, 2026 1:39am
Is there anyone using exness. Their spread is ridiculous today. It didn't make me to place trade. Although I saw their message on holiday of a thing but other broker's spread today is still normal
Measure your progress by pips —master the pips, and the profit will come
  • #1,884
  • Apr 3, 2026 4:45am Apr 3, 2026 4:45am
Are there any investors here who use Darwinex instead of trading? Darwinex INDX seems like a good thing. I'd probably even get more out of that than from my own trading, haha.

Duration (since inception): 4,9 years
Return (since inception): 302.84%
Max Drawdown (since inception): -12.27%
  • #1,885
  • Apr 3, 2026 4:49am Apr 3, 2026 4:49am
Quoting Noisy
Are there any investors here who use Darwinex instead of trading? Darwinex INDX seems like a good thing. I'd probably even get more out of that than from my own trading, haha. Duration (since inception): 4,9 years Return (since inception): 302.84% Max Drawdown (since inception): -12.27%
No one here has the money to invest, hence they trade.
  • #1,886
  • Apr 3, 2026 5:05am Apr 3, 2026 5:05am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} No one here has the money to invest, hence they trade.
Yes, that's true, but I wouldn't rule it out for myself. I'm at least considering investing something (10-20k). I'm not that old yet, and whether I'll ever achieve even remotely good results with my own trading is questionable. INDX's performance seems quite good in terms of the risk-reward ratio. It certainly seems far better than an ETF savings plan. I'm not sure about the fees. There's also a 20% performance fee plus a 1.2% annual management fee.

I'm desperately searching for that calculator... I think they used to have one on their website that showed exactly when, where, and how you would have invested in a Darwin, and what you would have received after compound interest and deducting the fees.
  • #1,887
  • Apr 3, 2026 6:07am Apr 3, 2026 6:07am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} No one here has the money to invest, hence they trade.
That is so dead on. One they have made enough from trading to invest in other ventures, you don't see them on FF much.
  • #1,888
  • Edited 8:52am Apr 3, 2026 6:24am | Edited 8:52am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} That is so dead on. One they have made enough from trading to invest in other ventures, you don't see them on FF much.
Or once they lose enough by trading and end up with nothing to invest in other ventures, you don't see them on FF much.
  • #1,889
  • Apr 3, 2026 9:02am Apr 3, 2026 9:02am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Is TRO back to 1.5 million in investor capital? Who is that 1 investor? Gone from 26 to 27 investors :-)
In 2 weeks he lost about 600K.
It was a quick in and out investment I guess.
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  • #1,890
  • Apr 3, 2026 10:14am Apr 3, 2026 10:14am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} In 2 weeks he lost about 600K. It was a quick in and out investment I guess. {image}
Yes, there seems to be a high fluctuation in investor capital. THA, which for a long time was the DARWIN with the highest AUM, had over 37M at its peak, and now, it's 14M. I think what Haysee is doing makes much more sense than relying on raising large amounts of capital through external investors and then being able to maintain that capital.
  • #1,891
  • Apr 3, 2026 10:20am Apr 3, 2026 10:20am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, there seems to be a high fluctuation in investor capital. THA, which for a long time was the DARWIN with the highest AUM, had over 37M at its peak, and now, it's 14M. I think what Haysee is doing makes much more sense than relying on raising large amounts of capital through external investors and then being able to maintain that capital.
ah, the lives and times of the high rollers.
My ex wife made me watch quite a bit of The Young and the Restless, so I have an insight to the lifestyle.
  • #1,892
  • Apr 3, 2026 9:47pm Apr 3, 2026 9:47pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- i had bought boosters early on but starting back in november i would buy boosters with the profit made in the lazy caterer sequence...... reinvesting all profit made in more boosters..... at a point the accounts become maxed out so in those , yes, i just withdraw the profit...... withdrew just under 4k today...... at first i was buying instants...... some of the guys here mentioned the target type might be better...... it took me...
Thanks hayseed, that's a great response to help me understand the context.
If you are highly correlated is that because you trade the same strategy as yourself and / or others, or a variation of on the multiple accounts? Do you have any other thoughts on correlation as you see it?
  • #1,893
  • Apr 3, 2026 10:13pm Apr 3, 2026 10:13pm
Quoting OutThere
Somebody in the news section asked for an update on my "Cup and handle" system. I didn't want to post it there. It has been doing great through the war and Trump's tweets etc. Here it is pal. Last update was here. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post15619931 {image}
Nice work.
tweets of bs.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/0...ation-amid-war
  • #1,894
  • Apr 3, 2026 11:23pm Apr 3, 2026 11:23pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} Nice work. tweets of bs. https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/0...ation-amid-war
Thanks. 6 month old account trading currencies. Nothing to do with the war.

He is just another regime criminal with moral lessons.
He forgot to mention how themselves are profiting from blackmailing the ships transiting the strait and from the higher oil prices.

BTW, the site you posted is funded and operated by the terrorists from IRGC.
  • #1,895
  • Apr 4, 2026 3:49am Apr 4, 2026 3:49am
Quoting hayseed
now i go mostly with the 200k 36 month at 10 or 15 % targets.
Most of your Darwins aren't that old, are they? Have you actually been able to reach most of the 10 or 15% boosters you bought, and how long did that take on average?

In terms of the percentage return needed to cover the costs of a 200k 15% target booster, this is definitely more attractive than the instant option.

200k 15% 3Y = $785
Rquired return to cover costs = 2.62%

200k instant = $3,975
Rquired return to cover costs = 13.25%

In other words, the 200k instant option requires more than five times the return to break even. Of course, you first have to reach the 15% target to even be able to benefit from it; if that alone takes a year or so, you won't get anything out of it until then.

I think my order for the new Darwin on March 27th was poorly timed. Should have bought it on April 1st. Now I've paid for March without having had a realistic chance of receiving the minimum 30k Silver allocation for April and the next monthly fee is due on April 27th, this time the full €45. By the 27th, I would have already spent 60 euros. Given my current trading approach, it's probably rather unlikely I'll reach the 30k Silver allocation by the end of April for May.

To cover the subscription costs as quickly as possible, I think a different trading approach is necessary, but first let's see what it looks like when my new Darwin is created.
  • #1,896
  • Apr 4, 2026 9:41am Apr 4, 2026 9:41am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Most of your Darwins aren't that old, are they? Have you actually been able to reach most of the 10 or 15% boosters you bought, and how long did that take on average? In terms of the percentage return needed to cover the costs of a 200k 15% target booster, this is definitely more attractive than the instant option. 200k 15% 3Y = $785 Rquired return to cover costs = 2.62% 200k instant = $3,975 Rquired return to cover costs = 13.25% In other words, the 200k instant option requires more than five times the return to break even. Of course, you...
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average account age might be 4 months...... it should take me roughly 1 month per 5%...... but it's not something i think about......

it appears i look at things differently than most regarding boosters...... most focus the cost...... i focus the return......

in my view the boosters are free...... of course there is a temporary cost...... but if that cost can be recovered in 1 month, the cost is gone.....

below is a permanent 100k booster at 15%...... it cost 385$...... that is easily recovered in a month......

to me that permanent booster is free...... for life......

the 200k 36 month are 785 @ 15% and 585 @ 20%....... both are easily recovered in a month.......

to me that's free......

of course everyone might not have 585 laying around...... in that case i'd be working part time at mcdonalds...... but that's me.......
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you are correct about timing....... it can make a real difference...... i tend to wait for a trend change.....

a 240 or 1440 chart trend change is perfect......h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,897
  • Apr 4, 2026 9:53am Apr 4, 2026 9:53am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- average account age might be 4 months...... it should take me roughly 1 month per 5%...... but it's not something i think about...... it appears i look at things differently than most regarding boosters...... most focus the cost...... i focus the return...... in my view the boosters are free...... of course there is a temporary cost...... but if that cost can be recovered in 1 month, the cost is gone..... below is a permanent 100k booster at 15%...... it cost 385$...... that is easily recovered in a month...... to me that permanent...
Yes, same goes for prop firm evals....anything that requires a target return....don't just randomly purchase....wait for your A+ setup.
I did a little 25K instant booster a couple of weeks back when I was in 2% DD, already recovered the cost. Just testing the boosters as I still believe, right now, that any money spent yields more in prop (short term). Plan is using prop payouts to fund boosters. For tax purposes, of course, I will leave Darwinex payouts in and replace with prop payouts....otherwise, paying tax twice.....I get you hayseed.
On a regular Darwinexzero subscription, the only logical time to purchase is 1st Monday of the month.
  • #1,898
  • Apr 4, 2026 10:00am Apr 4, 2026 10:00am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} Thanks hayseed, that's a great response to help me understand the context. If you are highly correlated is that because you trade the same strategy as yourself and / or others, or a variation of on the multiple accounts? Do you have any other thoughts on correlation as you see it?
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if you compared the returns, trades, profit, loss and such of all the accounts it would not appear they are correlated..... they are......

i am not 100% sure exactly how correlation is arrived at...... it appears they are only comparing the symmetry of returns......

if so, that is a terrible flaw.......

imagine someone with 20 accounts whose goal was 500$ in each account per day...... the symmetry of returns would be almost identical...... correlated.....

even though every account might be trading something different..... the 500$ target per day is what catches them...... not their strategy or traded instrument......

i pretty much trend trade...... and have a 5000 per day target..... my accounts will be branded correlated once that can be seen......

it's nothing i'd lose sleep over.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,899
  • Apr 4, 2026 10:11am Apr 4, 2026 10:11am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //--- if you compared the returns, trades, profit, loss and such of all the accounts it would not appear they are correlated..... they are...... i am not 100% sure exactly how correlation is arrived at...... it appears they are only comparing the symmetry of returns...... if so, that is a terrible flaw....... imagine someone with 20 accounts whose goal was 500$ in each account per day...... the symmetry of returns would be almost identical...... correlated..... even though every account might be trading something different..... the 500$...
Yes, nothing to lose sleep over...I've yet to be correlated in any of my 3, but I do trade manually, and not all trades go in all 3.
I concur it does appear to be symetrical correlation, but I believe DD is part of the symetry as well.
  • #1,900
  • Apr 4, 2026 3:11pm Apr 4, 2026 3:11pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- average account age might be 4 months...... it should take me roughly 1 month per 5%...... but it's not something i think about...... it appears i look at things differently than most regarding boosters...... most focus the cost...... i focus the return...... in my view the boosters are free...... of course there is a temporary cost...... but if that cost can be recovered in 1 month, the cost is gone..... below is a permanent 100k booster at 15%...... it cost 385$...... that is easily recovered in a month...... to me that permanent...
So, with one of your DARWINs that I linked to a few days ago, you didn't make 15% per month. I think some months were even less than 1% per month. I haven't looked at your other DARWINs yet.

Nevertheless. If you’re able to recover the costs for all your booster purchases, great.

Not sure it’s worth it for me right now. I might be averaging 1-2% a month (if at all). Will see how it goes with my new DARWIN.
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