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  • #1,801
  • Edited 3:15pm Mar 25, 2026 2:21pm | Edited 3:15pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- average return per what..... month.... year..... looks like once someone has real investors, darwin has a estimated projection plan available..... just set what % you figure on making that month and it calculates it for you...... that's several months away for me..... like aerosmith says, dream on......h //----- {image}
Average over the entire lifetime of all DARWINs (total return/drawdown). I am currently still scraping the monthly return tables for all DARWINS; then I can say more about the averages over individual time intervals.

Btw, I asked Darwinex about the boosters. They said that it's possible to buy as many boosters as you want in the first month, up to a maximum of 500k. So theoretically, you can equip your DARWIN (as soon as created) with the maximum virtual allocation. With 500k boosters for 3 months (i.e. 2x200k, 1x100k), you would need a 3.09% return to cover the costs (2330 €). Assuming you manage to achieve that in the first month after purchasing the boosters, you would essentially have 500k to generate profits on for two following months. A 1% profit would mean 750,00 € in performance fees on 500k.

I find it rather odd that there seem to be no further restrictions on the virtual booster allocations. No trading restrictions, no withdrawal limits, or anything like that? Let's say you were to achieve a 100% return for your maxed. out 500k DARWIN (probably possible in the short term with some Martin Gale system or whatever else is out there), then you would have generated 75k € in performance fees on the 500k booster AuM and only risked your costs for those boosters. In this extreme example, that would be a 3,218.88% ROI lol.
  • #1,802
  • Edited 10:02am Mar 27, 2026 9:33am | Edited 10:02am
I have now also collected the monthly return figures for all DARWINs (based on data from March 22, 2026).

Here is a brief overview of the distribution of a certain X% consecutive minimum return for N consecutive months.

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  • #1,803
  • Mar 27, 2026 2:52pm Mar 27, 2026 2:52pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Anybody else from FF received payouts from Darwinex (Speak Now :-) )?
Hello everyone, I hope I'm not posting this twice, but my first post hasn't appeared so far. Yes, I am receiving payouts from Darwinex. After 10 months, things are now rising steeply. After my first month in Gold, I was included in the Index and immediately had €500,000 in investor funds. Now the investor funds are increasing regularly. I did not expect that. Dreams come true .
  • #1,804
  • Mar 27, 2026 5:58pm Mar 27, 2026 5:58pm
Quoting Pwdi
{quote} Hello everyone, I hope I'm not posting this twice, but my first post hasn't appeared so far. Yes, I am receiving payouts from Darwinex. After 10 months, things are now rising steeply. After my first month in Gold, I was included in the Index and immediately had €500,000 in investor funds. Now the investor funds are increasing regularly. I did not expect that. Dreams come true .
what is your Darwin ? So we can invest …
  • #1,805
  • Edited 9:20pm Mar 27, 2026 8:46pm | Edited 9:20pm
Will be interesting to see in future what effect Kieran's splitting up of orders on XAQP will do for his capacity!

He currently has over $1.5 million in investor capital, but when you look at his used capacity, it is almost at 50% Yikes, and those negative slippages are stacking up.

So, what does that say about Maximum Capacity given that XAQP is currently just over 20 million?

I think Maximum Capacity is for the original trading account (if it were real) and not the trading account that trades are being copied too. That would make more sense.

So, it seems to me that copy trading from one account to another when trade sizes get big is very costly in terms of slippage.

As a rule of thumb, should we divide our max capacity by say 10/20 to get a more realistic view of max capacity?
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  • #1,806
  • Edited 8:26am Mar 28, 2026 7:11am | Edited 8:26am
Quoting codemaster75
Will be interesting to see in future what effect Kieran's splitting up of orders on XAQP will do for his capacity! He currently has over $1.5 million in investor capital, but when you look at his used capacity, it is almost at 50% Yikes, and those negative slippages are stacking up. So, what does that say about Maximum Capacity given that XAQP is currently just over 20 million? I think Maximum Capacity is for the original trading account (if it were real) and not the trading account that trades are being copied too. That would make more sense. So,...
I'm not even sure if a DARWIN is a separate trading account to which trades are copied, or if it's simply a piece of software.

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No, a DARWIN is not a separate trading account in the traditional sense; it is a synthetic, investable asset created by Darwinex that acts as a wrapper around your underlying trading strategy.

According to this, the actual trading activity in a DarwinexZero account would only take place in the demo account (signal account), and no trades would be "copied" anywhere else.
  • #1,807
  • Edited 9:04am Mar 28, 2026 8:50am | Edited 9:04am
Quoting Pwdi
{quote} Hello everyone, I hope I'm not posting this twice, but my first post hasn't appeared so far. Yes, I am receiving payouts from Darwinex. After 10 months, things are now rising steeply. After my first month in Gold, I was included in the Index and immediately had €500,000 in investor funds. Now the investor funds are increasing regularly. I did not expect that. Dreams come true .
//-----

taking a wild guess..... PWDI....... ..... detail view.....

your making us look bad.......

keep up the good work......h
//----


edit..... just noticed pwdi is in the select good scores group......

now we really look bad......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,808
  • Mar 28, 2026 10:09am Mar 28, 2026 10:09am
Does anyone know how this scenario would work in the calibration?

You enter a position that is at the beginning of a long trade.
You hold on and hold on. The position rises and dips with the usual ups and downs of the long trend but your equity is always in positive and rising with the trend..
After the calibration is over, you are still holding onto the trade that has greatly appreciated but not realized yet.
You could technically exit the trade at any time with a nice profit but the trend is still going and your strategy is long term, so why would you cut it short?

I know that on FF's TE, no graph is drawn and instead of stats being registered, you get this message:

Trade Explorer functionality
is limited because there are
no closed trades in this
brokerage account.

So, any ideas how would DZ access such an account?
  • #1,809
  • Mar 28, 2026 10:54am Mar 28, 2026 10:54am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- taking a wild guess..... PWDI....... ..... detail view..... your making us look bad....... keep up the good work......h //---- edit..... just noticed pwdi is in the select good scores group...... now we really look bad......h
Thanks for the introduction . You found some interesting analyses there that I wasn’t familiar with.
  • #1,810
  • Mar 28, 2026 12:47pm Mar 28, 2026 12:47pm
Quoting OutThere
Does anyone know how this scenario would work in the calibration? You enter a position that is at the beginning of a long trade. You hold on and hold on. The position rises and dips with the usual ups and downs of the long trend but your equity is always in positive and rising with the trend.. After the calibration is over, you are still holding onto the trade that has greatly appreciated but not realized yet. You could technically exit the trade at any time with a nice profit but the trend is still going and your strategy is long term, so why would...
I'm not entirely sure if I understand your question correctly but all MT4/MT5 Brokers have access to MetaTrader Server, Manager API / Dealer API (server-side). This allows them to monitor and evaluate every trading activity in real time. Analytical tools like the FF Trade Explorer usually require completed "round-trip" orders (buy and sell) to calculate metrics such as win rate, profit/loss, and average holding time. Darwinex will therefore see as soon as there is trading activity in your account, as soon as you open a position and not only when it is closed.
  • #1,811
  • Mar 28, 2026 1:47pm Mar 28, 2026 1:47pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I'm not entirely sure if I understand your question correctly but all MT4/MT5 Brokers have access to MetaTrader Server, Manager API / Dealer API (server-side). This allows them to monitor and evaluate every trading activity in real time. Analytical tools like the FF Trade Explorer usually require completed "round-trip" orders (buy and sell) to calculate metrics such as win rate, profit/loss, and average holding time. Darwinex will therefore see as soon as there is trading activity in your account, as soon as you open a position and not only...
Yes it will see it but how would it rate an open position in profit that hasn't been closed yet|?
  • #1,812
  • Mar 28, 2026 2:54pm Mar 28, 2026 2:54pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes it will see it but how would it rate an open position in profit that hasn't been closed yet|?
Well, the exact formulas based on which each position is evaluated are not publicly explained in detail, but they certainly happen in real time. If you only have one order open during the calibration phase that hasn't been closed yet, the calculation will be performed in exactly the same way as for any further orders. The most important factors that determine your risk factor seem to be the volume of your order, volatility, correlation, and duration.
  • #1,813
  • Mar 28, 2026 3:07pm Mar 28, 2026 3:07pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Well, the exact formulas based on which each position is evaluated are not publicly explained in detail, but they certainly happen in real time. If you only have one order open during the calibration phase that hasn't been closed yet, the calculation will be performed in exactly the same way as for any further orders. The most important factors that determine your risk factor seem to be the volume of your order, volatility, correlation, and duration.
Yah, there is only one way to tell.
They are giving me a $15/first month deal for an account I closed last year, so maybe It's worth blowing the $15.
But the trade might close anyway. Average hold is about 2 weeks.
Was just wondering 'what if'.

Oh wait, I remeber the rules say there has to be a minimum of x trades during evaluation...nvm then.

I'll just use another ea that trades more frequently alongside this strategy.
  • #1,814
  • Mar 28, 2026 3:27pm Mar 28, 2026 3:27pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I'm not even sure if a DARWIN is a separate trading account to which trades are copied, or if it's simply a piece of software. {quote} According to this, the actual trading activity in a DarwinexZero account would only take place in the demo account (signal account), and no trades would be "copied" anywhere else.
What do you think happens when investors start investing live money into your Darwin?

For Example, PWDI said he was included in the index and had €500,000 in investor funds. How do you think the €500,000 of live investor capital gets traded?
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  • #1,815
  • Edited 3:49pm Mar 28, 2026 3:34pm | Edited 3:49pm
if you are interested from the investor site for darwins , you can use this website to take a look for the real wins for the investor after costs (the tax disadvantages of using darwinex against index ETF buy and hold is not included, because different for each person /country....).
https://team.alphanet.io/darwin_anal...0.0&mf=1.2&is=

its not for all darwins (darwinex zero maybe excluded), so only where they invest inside to get the data or what they calculate (one of both methods used). but maybe a help to many to understand the reality behind.
you can select on left upper top the darwin name and right upper top the indexes you want compare it with.
you can also let create an excel sheet from this.

3 things are often visible:
- years before you can invest in this darwin have near always much better returns, so this "fakes" a higher win against what you really get (reasons is the cherry picking often the darwin you let invest later in and the traders often not used to have mindset for invested capital and need to grow to this, and of course higher AUM reduce the edge over spread, slippage... disadvantages) . this fake wins are still included even in this website (so where darwin was there for trader , but not for investing possible - so often the cherry picking timel) , so you should exclude by hand to get real number, this they do wrong too.
- near no darwin can beat a simple Nasdaq ETF longterm for profits (but: this has no longterm crisis inside the data like 2001-2006!!!! - this can change picture or not) in return (even before tax disadvantage) , but risk adjusted you can compare with some.
- short term many are not so bad (because of cherry picking advantage at beginning ) , longterm most are not so good - but thats same you see with 99% of traders of course (who dont do long term investing) .
  • #1,816
  • Mar 28, 2026 3:51pm Mar 28, 2026 3:51pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} What do you think happens when investors start investing live money into your Darwin? For Example, PWDI said he was included in the index and had €500,000 in investor funds. How do you think the €500,000 of live investor capital gets traded?
I could imagine that investors' funds don't flow into a demo account but are simply held in a bank account, and that the DARWIN, as mentioned, only shows the risk-adjusted performance of the demo account but isn’t a trading account at all. Perhaps that's not the case; it's best to ask Darwinex directly.

Quote
2. Where Investor Money is Held

  1. Investor money is not deposited into the trader's personal account.
  2. Darwinex holds investor funds in segregated accounts with top-tier providers (such as Santander or Natwest).
  3. The DARWIN acts as an index (like a personalized ETF) that tracks the performance of the trader's strategy on that aggregated investor capital.

  • #1,817
  • Mar 28, 2026 4:11pm Mar 28, 2026 4:11pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I could imagine that investors' funds don't flow into a demo account but are simply held in a bank account, and that the DARWIN, as mentioned, only shows the risk-adjusted performance of the demo account but isn’t a trading account at all. Perhaps that's not the case; it's best to ask Darwinex directly. {quote}[/list]
Well, it seems like a commonsense thing to me. If you place a trade on your $100k demo account, that same trade has to be replicated on the segregated investor funds account where the only difference is the lot size and slippage.
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  • #1,818
  • Mar 28, 2026 4:19pm Mar 28, 2026 4:19pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yah, there is only one way to tell. They are giving me a $15/first month deal for an account I closed last year, so maybe It's worth blowing the $15. But the trade might close anyway. Average hold is about 2 weeks. Was just wondering 'what if'. Oh wait, I remeber the rules say there has to be a minimum of x trades during evaluation...nvm then. I'll just use another ea that trades more frequently alongside this strategy.
Haha, they got me with the €15 restart offer too. I'll start trading again on Monday using my existing strategy (well „let“ it trade) I've made a few adjustments, so we'll see. But I won't pay for a second month if the calibration phase results in a bad risk factor again.

That’s why I also opened a regular Darwinex account in parallel. That way, I'll at least save the €45 monthly fee, even if it takes a long time to significantly increase my capital with them. Since the boosters are also available for classic accounts, I might try using them to temporarily increase my capital if the trading itself will show signs of hope.
  • #1,819
  • Mar 28, 2026 4:26pm Mar 28, 2026 4:26pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Haha, they got me with the €15 restart offer too. I'll start trading again on Monday using my existing strategy (well „let“ it trade) I've made a few adjustments, so we'll see. But I won't pay for a second month if the calibration phase results in a bad risk factor again. That’s why I also opened a regular Darwinex account in parallel. That way, I'll at least save the €45 monthly fee, even if it takes a long time to significantly increase my capital with them. Since the boosters are also available for classic accounts, I might try using...
Nice, lucky you have the option of having a regular Darwinex acct.
If Darwinex was willing to become a legal broker in N. America, we wouldn't have to pay subs either.
  • #1,820
  • Mar 28, 2026 4:36pm Mar 28, 2026 4:36pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Nice, lucky you have the option of having a regular Darwinex acct. If Darwinex was willing to become a legal broker in N. America, we wouldn't have to pay subs either.
Yes, that's unfortunately true. I don't even understand exactly why, since they also offer futures, which is a legally tradable market for US citizens as well?

Edit: Maybe that's why

Darwinex does not accept US citizens primarily due to the stringent regulatory requirements in the US.

Here are the main reasons:

Regulation (CFTC/NFA): To accept US citizens, Darwinex would need to register with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) and the National Futures Association (NFA). This is a very lengthy, expensive, and legally complex process that many European brokers avoid.

Regulations (Dodd-Frank Act): US laws such as the Dodd-Frank Act impose extremely high requirements on foreign financial service providers that want to serve US clients, especially in CFD trading.

Legal Risks: Darwinex is a UK company (regulated by the FCA), and the effort required to ensure compliance with both UK and US regulations is often disproportionate to the benefits.
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