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  • #1,681
  • Mar 13, 2026 1:24pm Mar 13, 2026 1:24pm
Quoting deroty
Is there a risk that I can have a margin hit and lose my trading account on my side (On the Metatrader I have - not the VAR adjusted) . Or there is no risk on my metatrader account I am involving with directly? Can I can still use 5% (if I lose 95%) of my account left from 100%? Am I secure with metatrader before sending to VAR account? I heard that Darwinex is different from other forex accounts. And no margin issues.
Just wondering, what have you learnt about margin and risk from your almost 16-month track record on your DZero ticker MUQP for both your signal account and your darwin index account?

What advice would you give yourself about margin and risk if you could go back in time 16 months?
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  • #1,682
  • Mar 13, 2026 1:34pm Mar 13, 2026 1:34pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Just wondering, what have you learnt about margin and risk from your almost 16-month track record on your DZero ticker MUQP for both your signal account and your darwin index account? What advice would you give yourself about margin and risk if you could go back in time 16 months?
Thank you codemaster for the reply.

No - I did not learn too much things as you do - I am not professional like you.

But I heard that Darwinex Zero is flexible about margin. May be a hearsay.

If with 1:30 margin and leverage - how much % can lose maximum? Or should I be cautious? I mean I want to learn What happens to Darwinex zero and how much % can survive in Darwinex Zero.
  • #1,683
  • Mar 13, 2026 2:11pm Mar 13, 2026 2:11pm
Quoting deroty
{quote} Thank you codemaster for the reply. No - I did not learn too much things as you do - I am not professional like you. But I heard that Darwinex Zero is flexible about margin. May be a hearsay. If with 1:30 margin and leverage - how much % can lose maximum? Or should I be cautious? I mean I want to learn What happens to Darwinex zero and how much % can survive in Darwinex Zero.
Well with 1:30 margin, you're playing with $100k x 30 = 3 million dollars. So, it is quite easy to lose the whole lot and then some if you don't know what you are doing!

Do you want to trade a $100k account like it's a 3-million-dollar account?

Much better to do what Hayseed suggested and keep your Margin Level at 1000% meaning your trading a 100k account like it's a 10k account.
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  • #1,684
  • Mar 13, 2026 2:48pm Mar 13, 2026 2:48pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Just wondering, what have you learnt about margin and risk from your almost 16-month track record on your DZero ticker MUQP for both your signal account and your darwin index account? What advice would you give yourself about margin and risk if you could go back in time 16 months?
Was just wondering the same exact thing. I have 3 Darwins, max DD is 8.8%, 7 something and 5.5%.
What on earth is one doing if margin call is even crossing their mind.
No offence to anyone, but it is so easy to understand the 95% failure rate.
  • #1,685
  • Mar 13, 2026 3:17pm Mar 13, 2026 3:17pm
Thank you Pipmaster and Codemaster.

I am using %23 lot size of my suggested strategy size.

I would decrease further. I will take a look at margin level and be cautious. After all - Darwinex zero will adjust necessary risk.
  • #1,686
  • Mar 13, 2026 3:57pm Mar 13, 2026 3:57pm
Quoting deroty
Thank you Pipmaster and Codemaster. I am using %23 lot size of my suggested strategy size. I would decrease further. I will take a look at margin level and be cautious. After all - Darwinex zero will adjust necessary risk.
As an example, on a 1,000,000 futures account, I trade max 2 minis on YM and ES. On my 100K CFD accounts(s) I trade 0.5 lots on forex, 1-2 on dow and sp and 0.07 on gold.
  • #1,687
  • Mar 13, 2026 6:49pm Mar 13, 2026 6:49pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} As an example, on a 1,000,000 futures account, I trade max 2 minis on YM and ES. On my 100K CFD accounts(s) I trade 0.5 lots on forex, 1-2 on dow and sp and 0.07 on gold.
talking about the sp500 on the CFD account , the spread used to fluctuate always between 0.2 and 0.3 then it jumped recently to 0.8 and since a few days back to 0.6
all the other index spreads , including Dow and Nasdaq are at their normal spread levels ,Dax is 99% of the time at 0.8

Darwinex claims market conditions causes this , it just does not make sense …
  • #1,688
  • Mar 13, 2026 11:04pm Mar 13, 2026 11:04pm
Looking at TradeSignalMachine's ticker "TRO", it seems he can do no wrong from an investor standpoint. He is in the worst drawdown in his 10-year history and investors are jumping on board, even 3 times leverage. Looks like they wait for his ticker to go down to a certain value and then just jump in and sell when it goes up a little, then repeat.

So it looks like TradeSignalMachine is getting a massive free booster for a short time.

So very long track record = free (some slippage) boosters when in big drawdown!

Fascinating stuff.
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  • #1,689
  • Mar 14, 2026 3:47am Mar 14, 2026 3:47am
Quoting codemaster75
Looking at TradeSignalMachine's ticker "TRO",.
//----

that's martyn...... the guy that does all those darwin videos on trading and mq5 code......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,690
  • Mar 14, 2026 7:40am Mar 14, 2026 7:40am
Quoting codemaster75
Looking at TradeSignalMachine's ticker "TRO", it seems he can do no wrong from an investor standpoint. He is in the worst drawdown in his 10-year history and investors are jumping on board, even 3 times leverage. Looks like they wait for his ticker to go down to a certain value and then just jump in and sell when it goes up a little, then repeat. So it looks like TradeSignalMachine is getting a massive free booster for a short time. So very long track record = free (some slippage) boosters when in big drawdown! Fascinating stuff.
Literally trading his Darwin as we trade our instruments. Buy low, sell high. Actually makes a lot of sense to wait for a Darwin with a solid track record and history of recovering DD to go into DD......very high probabilities of recovery.
  • #1,691
  • Edited 9:37pm Mar 14, 2026 7:52am | Edited 9:37pm
I've managed to crawl to #146 in Gold this month....top 140 get the minimum 50K.
Other 2 Darwins are at 18.86 and 19.2....the one at 18.86 turns 12 months in April and then will require 25%, so going to go a little riskier next 2 weeks to get the 20%....otherwise probably adding a few months to attain Gold.
Looking to have all 3 in Gold in April, just hit minimum 50K allocations every month in each (which are good for 6 months). If I accomplish this, I will be trading 900K by October without any investors or boosters.
Doesn't sound huge, but it will earn me $32,400-$48,600 annually with operating cost of $156 per month or $1,872 annually. It will have taken at that point, 21 months from first Darwin opened in January 2025...I fired up the 2nd in April and the 3rd in June
Truly cannot imagine not getting investors with max DD of 8.8, 7.02 and 5.5 on the 3.
Still working the math on boosters on existing 3 or firing up a couple new "booster only" accounts
  • #1,692
  • Mar 14, 2026 12:53pm Mar 14, 2026 12:53pm
Quoting deroty
Thank you Pipmaster and Codemaster. I am using %23 lot size of my suggested strategy size. I would decrease further. I will take a look at margin level and be cautious. After all - Darwinex zero will adjust necessary risk.
I think it would be a good exercise for you to record the equity high and equity low of the day each day for your DZ trading account and then compare that to the high and low of your darwin index account on the same day (provided you have traded on that day). You can find the darwin high and low of your index account in the Return/Risk tab, you just need to click on candle stick view icon, and you can easily see the high/low of your darwin and get a precise high/low reading when you move the mouse cursor over the bar you're interested in provided you also select daily candles.

If you record the equity High/Low each day for say 3 months in an excel spreadsheet and then plot the 2 variables against the date, then you will learn a hell of a lot more about your trading and how the Darwin Index reacts to these variables than just asking risk/margin questions all the time and it will put your mind at ease.

One of the biggest things you will realize is the relationship between the % change in your DZ trading account high/low equity and the % change in your Index account high/low. Deroty what do you think that relationship would be if you trade consistently?

If you are using Martingale, what kind of relationship would you be seeing over say a 3-month time period? This is where you will truly learn how brutal the risk engine will be and why it has to happen the way it does :-)

A picture says a thousand words and I think plotting the daily high/low equity in an excel spreadsheet is just what you need :-)
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  • #1,693
  • Mar 14, 2026 1:01pm Mar 14, 2026 1:01pm
Quoting pipmaster77
...I fired up the 2nd in April and the 3rd in June Truly cannot imagine not getting investors with max DD of 8.8, 7.02 and 5.5 on the 3.
//----

those top darwins have drawdowns double , triple and in some cases quadruple yours...... they have investors.....

it probably has a lot to do with your darwin index exposure...... and not the discord type exposure.......

darwin has a vested interested in your success so no doubt they will help......

we're pulling for ya......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,694
  • Mar 14, 2026 1:18pm Mar 14, 2026 1:18pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} I think it would be a good exercise for you to record the equity high and equity low of the day each day for your DZ trading account and then compare that to the high and low of your darwin index account on the same day (provided you have traded on that day). You can find the darwin high and low of your index account in the Return/Risk tab, you just need to click on candle stick view icon, and you can easily see the high/low of your darwin and get a precise high/low reading when you move the mouse cursor over the bar you're interested in...

Thank you Codemaster for the detailed response. I tried to grasp the concept. I will try to do what you say. And - I can still ask stupid questions because I am naive. Thank you for the help Codemaster - and other friends
  • #1,695
  • Edited 8:50pm Mar 14, 2026 7:55pm | Edited 8:50pm
I noticed yesterday when you view your darwin on the darwinex website (in the url add "?detail_view=true" to the end), on the Return/Risk tab, they have added the option "Compare to benchmark (S&P 500)". That's a nice addition, how long has that been there? or has it always been there?

I think they should also add the option "Compare to benchmark INDX (DarwinexLabs Index)".

That would be even more impressive.

I wonder what effect that would have on investors if they added that option?

That would definitely throw a spanner in the works if it had a major impact on investors and might even work to Juan's advantage because investors would most probably diversify a lot more and give more life to successful non-correlated Darwins that are struggling to get investors.

Edit: They should maybe add a correlation line as well so investors can see the correlation over time!
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  • #1,696
  • Mar 15, 2026 6:48pm Mar 15, 2026 6:48pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote}//---- those top darwins have drawdowns double , triple and in some cases quadruple yours...... they have investors..... it probably has a lot to do with your darwin index exposure...... and not the discord type exposure....... darwin has a vested interested in your success so no doubt they will help...... we're pulling for ya......h
I like what you said here and would do that for private clients although that is limiting.
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  • #1,697
  • Edited 4:25am Mar 16, 2026 4:13am | Edited 4:25am
Quoting pipmaster77
I've managed to crawl to #146 in Gold this month....top 140 get the minimum 50K. Other 2 Darwins are at 18.86 and 19.2....the one at 18.86 turns 12 months in April and then will require 25%
That's fantastic, just wondering on the DZero website, when you click on "DarwinIA" on the left-hand pane, it comes up with the Darwinia Silver Leaderboard. Now right next to the "Community >" link there is a button called "My DARWINs".

When you click on My DARWINs, does it show your 2 other Darwins that are still in silver? or does it only show the Darwin you're logged in as?

I'm hoping you say that it displays your 2 silver darwins, because that would tell me that they are working on that magic "New Darwin/Multiple Darwin" Selection that has been there for ages at the top left of the screen.

What I'm expecting is for you to say "Since I'm logged in on my gold darwin, I can't see anything, but when I log in to my other silver darwins I only see the darwin I'm logged in on."
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  • #1,698
  • Mar 16, 2026 7:35am Mar 16, 2026 7:35am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote}
What I'm expecting is for you to say "Since I'm logged in on my gold darwin, I can't see anything, but when I log in to my other silver darwins I only see the darwin I'm logged in on."
Your expectations are correct.
  • #1,699
  • Mar 16, 2026 7:51am Mar 16, 2026 7:51am
Haha, 2nd year in a slump..sukkaa
All those multiple modeling tests not working I guess.
I wonder what his risk ratio is right now.
Maybe a bit less Darwinex vids and a bit more actual trading will help?
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  • #1,700
  • Edited 9:31am Mar 16, 2026 8:25am | Edited 9:31am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Your expectations are correct.
Well, that's disappointing and very poor user interface design by Darwinex to add unfinished buttons and just leave them there for so long on such a professional website. Juan should get on to his website development team and give them a good kick in the .... Totally unacceptable from a professional e-business point of view.

Why put the unfinished buttons there in the first place??? Especially if you are just going to leave them there unfinished.
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