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  • #1,661
  • Mar 10, 2026 6:13am Mar 10, 2026 6:13am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} No offense, but have you ever heard the expression "paralysis by analysis".......you are over analyzing and you self-admittingly do not feel you even have an edge in the markets. Find your edge, trade, and everything else will fall into place. I'm sure you have noticed hayseed and I don't pay much attention to var, risk engine and the like......I'm about to have 3 Gold Darwins and hayseed is on his way to 10 AUM in boosters alone.
Yes, but just trading and hoping everything else will fall into place hasn't worked for me either. I think it's a good idea to have a plan, especially if you want to generate a consistent minimum income from trading. I don't have the time, money, or hope like you do to sit in front of charts for hours a day with the mere hope that "it'll happen eventually."

But yes, without a working approach, I probably shouldn't really worry about Darwinex and boosters, that's true.
  • #1,662
  • Mar 10, 2026 8:21pm Mar 10, 2026 8:21pm
the top 20 silver darwins reminds me of picking vacation based on seniority...... seems i always picked last..... never once got christmas or thanksgiving.......

most those guys have 1 to 3 points added to their score along with past 5 months return......

a rookie will have to work double hard to make it....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,663
  • Mar 11, 2026 12:26am Mar 11, 2026 12:26am
Quoting hayseed
the top 20 silver darwins reminds me of picking vacation based on seniority...... seems i always picked last..... never once got christmas or thanksgiving....... most those guys have 1 to 3 points added to their score along with past 5 months return...... a rookie will have to work double hard to make it....h
Haha, I get what you meanit really feels like seniority rules, not just skill In the Darwinex world, those top 20 Silver DARWINs are like the “popular kids” in school: a few extra points here and there for longevity or consistency make a huge difference over time, even if a rookie’s returns are solid.For newcomers, it does mean doubling downIt’s frustrating at first, but think of it like playing the long game
  • #1,664
  • Mar 11, 2026 5:28am Mar 11, 2026 5:28am
Quoting hayseed
the top 20 silver darwins reminds me of picking vacation based on seniority...... seems i always picked last..... never once got christmas or thanksgiving....... most those guys have 1 to 3 points added to their score along with past 5 months return...... a rookie will have to work double hard to make it....h
Extra points? I always thought all Darwins, regardless of age or author, were on the exact same "playing field"
  • #1,665
  • Mar 11, 2026 5:57am Mar 11, 2026 5:57am
Quoting Bushramujhta
it does mean doubling down..... It’s frustrating at first, but think of it like playing the long game
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doubling down is my forte......

many will outperform me...... few will out work me......
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it usually only takes me reading a couple posts to size someone up...... scrolling thru yours it's clear you have spent some time inside the business and in a broad sense......

have to admit, your profile picture and location confuse me......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,666
  • Mar 11, 2026 6:18am Mar 11, 2026 6:18am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Extra points? I always thought all Darwins, regardless of age or author, were on the exact same "playing field"
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sometime back they started giving 1 point for ever so many months the darwin has existed.....

1 point for 6 months, 2 points for 12 months and 3 points for 18 months.....

seems fair to me......

respect your elders sort of thing.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,667
  • Mar 11, 2026 6:29am Mar 11, 2026 6:29am
Quoting hayseed
the top 20 silver darwins reminds me of picking vacation based on seniority...... seems i always picked last..... never once got christmas or thanksgiving....... most those guys have 1 to 3 points added to their score along with past 5 months return...... a rookie will have to work double hard to make it....h
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the extra points, although I do get a +1 on 1 and a +2 on another. Was earning allocations every month before they existed.
However, the 5 month return track record is HUGE and should weigh your score....consistency is the entire point of Darwinex.
I am actually extremely disappointed it doesn't exist in Gold....it's a much tougher competition as everyone is 8 months+. 20%+ return and 2.5 times return vs DD......these are some good traders and ONLY CURRENT MONTH counts.
I guess the thought process is we have all already shown consistency to get to Gold.
  • #1,668
  • Mar 11, 2026 7:17am Mar 11, 2026 7:17am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- sometime back they started giving 1 point for ever so many months the darwin has existed..... 1 point for 6 months, 2 points for 12 months and 3 points for 18 months..... seems fair to me...... respect your elders sort of thing.....h
I see. I didn't know that. I'm considering whether to start a new Darwin in April and whether I shouldn't just buy a booster directly. Last time, I did see profitable results relatively quickly in the first three months, but not well enough for a rapid silver allocation that would have at least covered the subscription costs.
  • #1,669
  • Mar 11, 2026 7:38am Mar 11, 2026 7:38am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I see. I didn't know that. I'm considering whether to start a new Darwin in April and whether I shouldn't just buy a booster directly. Last time, I did see profitable results relatively quickly in the first three months, but not well enough for a rapid silver allocation that would have at least covered the subscription costs.
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boosters will only work when your dead sure you can make them work.... look at your past 3 months returns for a good idea of that possibility.....

the silver allocation is a good deal...... you can get it your first month....... even if it takes 3 or 4 months you can cover the prior months cost.....

just focus on your entries and exits...... have a well defined reason for both.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,670
  • Mar 11, 2026 8:11am Mar 11, 2026 8:11am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- boosters will only work when your dead sure you can make them work.... look at your past 3 months returns for a good idea of that possibility..... the silver allocation is a good deal...... you can get it your first month....... even if it takes 3 or 4 months you can cover the prior months cost..... just focus on your entries and exits...... have a well defined reason for both.....h
Great point, silver allocations require about 2% monthly gain......so, generally speaking, if you are unable to get allocated in silver, boosters will be flushing money down the toilet, as you need about 2% to be profitable with them.
  • #1,671
  • Mar 11, 2026 8:53am Mar 11, 2026 8:53am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Great point, silver allocations require about 2% monthly gain......so, generally speaking, if you are unable to get allocated in silver, boosters will be flushing money down the toilet, as you need about 2% to be profitable with them.
The cost for a Darwinex Zero membership and a 100k booster for 3 months would be 605 EUR. To cover that, I would need 4.1% in 3 months or 1.36% monthly.

I can't guarantee a certain minimum performance either way. With the approach I tried from August to December 2025, I was profitable overall, but after about three months, I had only achieved a 6% return with my Darwin. At that time, the risk multiplier was still at 0.5x. I also hadn't yet reached silver, meaning I only incurred costs. In the end, my Darwin was even terminated because I was a week in arrears with my payments.

In December, I started a new Darwin account where I reduced the markets I traded from 5 to 3, resulting in a positive risk multiplier of x1.2. Otherwise, the system was the same, but until mid-January, it was only in a drawdown and ultimately ended with a negative overall performance of -7%. I then canceled it, thinking, "No, this isn't making any sense; I'm just paying fees and won't see any money in the foreseeable future."

You say it's relatively "easy" to achieve 2-3% per month without risk of ruin, but I don't currently see how. Maybe I should just start trading on gut feeling like many others I notice arounbd here and throw the whole idea of strategic planning, systematic approaches, and plans overboard, and just go with the "it'll all work out somehow" approach. But I don't think that's a very good idea either.
  • #1,672
  • Mar 11, 2026 8:59am Mar 11, 2026 8:59am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} The cost for a Darwinex Zero membership and a 100k booster for 3 months would be 605 EUR. To cover that, I would need 4.1% in 3 months or 1.36% monthly. I can't guarantee a certain minimum performance either way. With the approach I tried from August to December 2025, I was profitable overall, but after about three months, I had only achieved a 6% return with my Darwin. At that time, the risk multiplier was still at 0.5x. I also hadn't yet reached silver, meaning I only incurred costs. In the end, my Darwin was even terminated because I...
I use pivots, ORB, VWAP and extreme ranges.
Although entry is important, it is FAR LESS important than managing the position....when to add, hold and close is the true key to successful trading, IMO.
  • #1,673
  • Mar 11, 2026 10:04am Mar 11, 2026 10:04am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I use pivots, ORB, VWAP and extreme ranges. Although entry is important, it is FAR LESS important than managing the position....when to add, hold and close is the true key to successful trading, IMO.
Thanks for the tip. Yes, I was trading an ORB strategy, but without pivots or VWAP. I tried that in the past, but it didn't improve my results. Otherwise, I also consider risk management and proper position sizing to be more important than a specific entry signal. I might try revising my existing strategy instead of starting from scratch again.

I've also tried to look at what Hayseed does, but I don't understand it – too much for me.
  • #1,674
  • Mar 11, 2026 1:07pm Mar 11, 2026 1:07pm
Quoting Hirajaved
{quote} dedicated thread for Darwin sounds like a great idea. It would help keep discussions focused and allow traders to share their real experiences with the platform.
You're in it.
  • #1,675
  • Mar 11, 2026 1:42pm Mar 11, 2026 1:42pm
Quoting Hirajaved
share their real experiences .
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and then there were three.......

3 traders from pakistan with better english than me..... 100% of their posts are positive, well meaning, thought provoking, informative and all 3 obviously inside the trading business......

we need a few more like yall...... your setting a good example......

reminds me of the last line in one of my favorite books, "rendezvous with rama"......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,676
  • Mar 11, 2026 2:29pm Mar 11, 2026 2:29pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I use pivots, ORB, VWAP and extreme ranges. Although entry is important, it is FAR LESS important than managing the position....when to add, hold and close is the true key to successful trading, IMO.
its often a misconceptions (nothing personal, just objective helping to understand ) to think exit and managing is more important than entry. entry and exit is one by one same important ! just by logic and simple math.

i would accept that by mindset maybe there is a difference, but FOMO and other problems before entry has own mindset problems too, so should be not a reason too. there would need to be extrem reason why it could change between entry and exit, but i have never seen in my 30 years someone had this reason without solve the reason and dont have this problem.

maybe it will not kill a lot of performance from your potential if you calculate managing and exit far over entry.... but some performance potential (or lower risk for same performance) it will reduce for sure. any "add" is by the way a new entry ... so you already include entry parts inside your exit / managing part (maybe that why the difference?) .

i know, its maybe advanced topics, and only important later for get to the next step , but never to late to start what help you later easy and understand already the concept of trading as whole picture.

but to complete the picture, when you get a bigger account (= bigger volume to trade) and get to liquidity problems (good spread for fast fills) for your trading amount, then exit starts to get more difficult and more important because of risk shift depends on your calculation for fill styles or management.
  • #1,677
  • Mar 11, 2026 3:29pm Mar 11, 2026 3:29pm
[quote=Trader191;15609124]{quote} its often a misconceptions (nothing personal, just objective helping to understand ) to think exit and managing is more important than entry. entry and exit is one by one same important ! just by logic and simple math.

Have to respectfully disagree, if I make a bad entry, I can exit quickly with a small loss. If I'm not precise on my entry, but set-up is still valid, I can average in. If momentum takes me beyond my target, I can also add and/or hold longer. We all know most traders hold losers too long and exit winners too quick....that's ALL exit and trade management.

any "add" is by the way a new entry ... so you already include entry parts inside your exit / managing part (maybe that why the difference?) .

I view it as a "position" is made up of several smaller "trades". I have a pre-determined risk on the position itself which allows me to scale in/out accordingly

i know, its maybe advanced topics, and only important later for get to the next step , but never to late to start what help you later easy and understand already the concept of trading as whole picture. but to complete the picture, when you get a bigger account (= bigger volume to trade) and get to liquidity problems (good spread for fast fills) for your trading amount, then exit starts to get more difficult and more important because of risk shift depends on your calculation for fill styles or management.

I truly appreciate the input/feedback, and perhaps you are correct, these may be issues later on which I have not enountered as of yet. As of now, I feel I am attaining above average success with my concepts and approach towards trading.
  • #1,678
  • Edited 5:25pm Mar 11, 2026 4:19pm | Edited 5:25pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Quoting Trader191
{quote} its often a misconceptions (nothing personal, just objective helping to understand ) to think exit and managing is more important than entry. entry and exit is one by one same important ! just by logic and simple math. Have to respectfully disagree, if I make a bad entry, I can exit quickly with a small loss. If I'm not precise on my entry, but set-up is still valid, I can average in. If momentum takes me beyond my target, I can also add and/or hold longer. We all know most traders hold losers too long and exit
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if I make a bad entry, I can exit quickly with a small loss.
if you have a bad exit you can reenter quick again!

all i say is also in respect and just exchanging arguments and i say it to a winner with his trades, so anything you say you do for exit you can do for entry too. that is , because flat is also a position, and this perspective changes a lot.

but you are right too, never change a running system until you are comfortable with the progress and try step to next one by hold the old one or improve it
  • #1,679
  • Mar 13, 2026 12:18pm Mar 13, 2026 12:18pm
in your own darwin can you also invest in other traders darwin (or the darwinex indx) and this win (after fees ) is included to your win of your own darwin what invested (and you get performance fee for this if you have any investors money , boosters or whatever ?)
or only own trades are calculated for this?
  • #1,680
  • Mar 13, 2026 12:35pm Mar 13, 2026 12:35pm
Is there a risk that I can have a margin hit and lose my trading account on my side (On the Metatrader I have - not the VAR adjusted) . Or there is no risk on my metatrader account I am involving with directly? Can I can still use 5% (if I lose 95%) of my account left from 100%? Am I secure with metatrader before sending to VAR account? I heard that Darwinex is different from other forex accounts. And no margin issues.
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