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  • #1,601
  • Mar 5, 2026 1:30pm Mar 5, 2026 1:30pm
Quoting hayseed
some of the boosters expired yesterday and today........ only have 3,210,000 in boosters or silver allotments left...... have 2,300,000 target type boosters........ 50k a month is possible......h
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just replaced those boosters that expired monday...... now back at 3,510,000...... increased target type boosters to 2,700,000...... target type boosters cut down on the initial cost......

that gives me 6,210,000 total....... will add 4 more 200k boosters next week........ you need 7 million in funding to erase the 15% cut effect.....

this was not an instant deal.....peyton and i have been working very hard on it for over 3 months...... we started last thanksgiving, the lazy caters sequence.......

once you have the 7 million, what you make a day in your signal account is effectively your cut......

so if you make 2000 in a day, you get 2000......

10 million in funding is my new target.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,602
  • Mar 5, 2026 4:37pm Mar 5, 2026 4:37pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ just replaced those boosters that expired monday...... now back at 3,510,000...... increased target type boosters to 2,700,000...... target type boosters cut down on the initial cost...... that gives me 6,210,000 total....... will add 4 more 200k boosters next week........ you need 7 million in funding to erase the 15% cut effect..... this was not an instant deal.....peyton and i have been working very hard on it for over 3 months...... we started last thanksgiving,...
  • #1,603
  • Mar 5, 2026 7:56pm Mar 5, 2026 7:56pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ just replaced those boosters that expired monday...... now back at 3,510,000...... increased target type boosters to 2,700,000...... target type boosters cut down on the initial cost...... that gives me 6,210,000 total....... will add 4 more 200k boosters next week........ you need 7 million in funding to erase the 15% cut effect..... this was not an instant deal.....peyton and i have been working very hard on it for over 3 months...... we started last thanksgiving,...
Yes, 15% on 10 million is the same as you keeping it all on 1.5 mil and 3% monthly is 45K.
On the surface, seems slower and way more expensive than props....but is it?
3% per month is actually doable with virtually no risk of ruin plus there are literally no rules.....news, overnight, trailing DD, DCA, consistency, etc, etc......it's literally like trading your own account.
How much time and money is someone truly spending on the prop model to get the same result? Actually, probably never getting the same result, and if so, it's a one and done deal, no way to do it consistently and once again ONLY needing 3% monthly, not 200% monthly.
On a side note,
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My gold is 26 spots away from allocation this month, which is 50K and good for 6 months in gold.
These 2 with a little bit of precision will be Gold this month
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  • #1,604
  • Mar 5, 2026 8:22pm Mar 5, 2026 8:22pm
Quoting pipmaster77
On a side note, My gold is 26 spots away from allocation this month,
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yeah i been watching and rootin for ya........

i have 4 or 5 that might clear the 120 mark this month but are a long way from the 8 months.......

kinda wanted to stay silver for ever...... you changed my mind on that....... now i can't wait for gold.....

get to the double digits....... make us proud......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,605
  • Mar 6, 2026 12:04am Mar 6, 2026 12:04am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, 15% on 10 million is the same as you keeping it all on 1.5 mil and 3% monthly is 45K. On the surface, seems slower and way more expensive than props....but is it? 3% per month is actually doable with virtually no risk of ruin plus there are literally no rules.....news, overnight, trailing DD, DCA, consistency, etc, etc......it's literally like trading your own account. How much time and money is someone truly spending on the prop model to get the same result? Actually, probably never getting the same result, and if so, it's a one and...
I see your TBZA account has an investor.

Congrats!! That must be a nice feeling.

Does Darwinex give you any info on the investor like where they are from, etc etc?
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,606
  • Mar 6, 2026 6:51am Mar 6, 2026 6:51am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} I see your TBZA account has an investor. Congrats!! That must be a nice feeling. Does Darwinex give you any info on the investor like where they are from, etc etc?
Thanks, but actually that is the DarwiniaHedge, as TBZA is still silver. DarwiniaHedge actually invests in your Darwin and the PF it earns pays your PF.....basically, it removes the conflict of interest on the virtual allocations....it pays Darwin so they can pay you, but doesn't actually earn the trader any PF.
Actually, quite genius, it would make sense for the props to do as well except for the fact there is no real capital in the props.
While on the subject of Thanking you, Thanks for bringing Darwinex to my attention......I truly would have never looked had it not been for your input.
  • #1,607
  • Mar 6, 2026 9:23am Mar 6, 2026 9:23am
Quoting pipmaster77
These 2 with a little bit of precision will be Gold this month
Great! How long did it take you to reach gold with your Darwin?

I stopped all trading-related activities for the last two months and also took a break from all screens. The last system I tried yielded mixed results. I'll have to see how/if things continue for me.
  • #1,608
  • Mar 6, 2026 9:36am Mar 6, 2026 9:36am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Great! How long did it take you to reach gold with your Darwin? I stopped all trading-related activities for the last two months and also took a break from all screens. The last system I tried yielded mixed results. I'll have to see how/if things continue for me.
13 months, which is why I needed 25% vs. 20%, the other 2, if qualifying this month, will be 11 and 8 months old.
  • #1,609
  • Mar 6, 2026 10:03am Mar 6, 2026 10:03am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} 13 months, which is why I needed 25% vs. 20%, the other 2, if qualifying this month, will be 11 and 8 months old.
Can you quantify how much active trading time (in hours) you invested in the 3 Darwins over the 13 months, how much in fees you incurred, and what you received in payouts? Do you still aim for Gold/Investors over virtual allocations/ boosters etc.?
  • #1,610
  • Mar 6, 2026 10:33am Mar 6, 2026 10:33am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Can you quantify how much active trading time (in hours) you invested in the 3 Darwins over the 13 months, how much in fees you incurred, and what you received in payouts? Do you still aim for Gold/Investors over virtual allocations/ boosters etc.?
So, I am a manual trader, as I actually enjoy chart time. I work from my home, so everything is right in front of me all day. Generally speaking, I'm in front of chrts by about 7 am and I like to be done by noon. However, I do swing trade one of the accounts, so I will also hold overnight, DCA in and out, etc.
These 3 Darwins have cost around $1,535 in sub fees 19 months @ $50, and my oldest (13 months) is still only paying $45.
Including the payments I just received a few days ago, I have been paid $4,808.95.
Now the critics, of course, will say, based on the above numbers, you've made $2.53/hr....but that's not the point of Darwinex.....I earn other trading income through props while building the track record. Once I hit my goal with Darwinex, I will stop using props.
Yes, Gold and AUM through investors is still the ultimate goal. However, I am studying Hayseed's method of boosters funding further boosters. I am starting to realize, long-term that money is better served in boosters than prop firms.
Once you have secured the funding with Darwinex, there is no need to gamble like the props, earning 2-3% monthly is extremely doable with virtually no risk of ruin.
Edit: I stand corrected, add $66 as my futures account pays $56/month, forgot that one was a bit extra.
  • #1,611
  • Mar 6, 2026 10:59am Mar 6, 2026 10:59am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, 15% on 10 million is the same as you keeping it all on 1.5 mil and 3% monthly is 45K. On the surface, seems slower and way more expensive than props....but is it? 3% per month is actually doable with virtually no risk of ruin plus there are literally no rules.....news, overnight, trailing DD, DCA, consistency, etc, etc......it's literally like trading your own account. How much time and money is someone truly spending on the prop model to get the same result? Actually, probably never getting the same result, and if so, it's a one and...
I see your VAR dropped from 14% from January to 4% currently? What did you do differently...Just trying to understand your approach...
  • #1,612
  • Mar 6, 2026 11:00am Mar 6, 2026 11:00am
Quoting pipmaster77
While on the subject of Thanking you, Thanks for bringing Darwinex to my attention......I truly would have never looked had it not been for your input.
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yeah expo, i second that......

never knew who started it but i do remember gitting tired of all that cackling about it...... lol...... finally took a look....

there is no limit to darwinex zero.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,613
  • Mar 6, 2026 11:15am Mar 6, 2026 11:15am
Quoting sampat
{quote} I see your VAR dropped from 14% from January to 4% currently? What did you do differently...Just trying to understand your approach...
I believe you are referring to TBZA.....I don't pay much attention to var or the risk engine, I just trade. However, what I can say about that one is I used to hold trades in DD a lot longer, now that account has 1 trade per day and is never holding overnight.
The benefit of 3 accounts is when you DCA you can do it over the 3 accounts, TBZA gets the last entry, so it is usually at extreme end of a range, pops into profit immediately and is closed rather quickly.
If I had the discipline to only trade that way accross all my accounts, I'd have more money than I know what to do with.
  • #1,614
  • Mar 6, 2026 12:02pm Mar 6, 2026 12:02pm
Quoting pipmaster77
The benefit of 3 accounts is when you DCA you can do it over the 3 accounts, TBZA gets the last entry, so it is usually at extreme end of a range, pops into profit immediately and is closed rather quickly..
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kinda do something similar with apex...... once stochastic is at extreme on 1, 5 or 15 minute...... start in inverse order of balance and place next accounts trades on fractals during last zigzag leg..... gradually moving up to the next fractal with next account...... like grid trading spread across 20 accounts.....

once reversion to mean takes hold, it's like water going over a water wheel.....h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,615
  • Mar 6, 2026 12:12pm Mar 6, 2026 12:12pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- kinda do something similar with apex...... once stochastic is at extreme on 1, 5 or 15 minute...... start in inverse order of balance and place next accounts trades on fractals during last zigzag leg..... gradually moving up to the next fractal with next account...... like grid trading spread across 20 accounts..... once reversion to mean takes hold, it's like water going over a water wheel.....h //----- {image}
Yeah, you and I are going to need to hop on a google meets or webex, or create our own discord, we share a lot of the same concepts/ideas.
  • #1,616
  • Mar 6, 2026 12:35pm Mar 6, 2026 12:35pm
Quoting pipmaster77
we share a lot of the same concepts/ideas.
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this is what it looks like when i start.... todays darwin trades....... it reminds me of a swiss watch gear or water wheel...... turning out the trades......

some might say the ratio of profit to commission and spread is bad..... they would be correct...... that's ok with me......

this could go on for hours....... it adds up.....h
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  • #1,617
  • Mar 6, 2026 5:50pm Mar 6, 2026 5:50pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Thanks, but actually that is the DarwiniaHedge, as TBZA is still silver. DarwiniaHedge actually invests in your Darwin and the PF it earns pays your PF.....basically, it removes the conflict of interest on the virtual allocations....it pays Darwin so they can pay you, but doesn't actually earn the trader any PF. Actually, quite genius, it would make sense for the props to do as well except for the fact there is no real capital in the props. While on the subject of Thanking you, Thanks for bringing Darwinex to my attention......I truly would...
You're welcome.

I can't remember but I think Sampat was the first one who mentioned DZero
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,618
  • Mar 7, 2026 11:13am Mar 7, 2026 11:13am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ this is what it looks like when i start.... todays darwin trades....... it reminds me of a swiss watch gear or water wheel...... turning out the trades...... some might say the ratio of profit to commission and spread is bad..... they would be correct...... that's ok with me...... this could go on for hours....... it adds up.....h //------ {image}
More food for thought as I run numbers on boosters...talking strictly ROI here.....
A 25K booster for 3Y cost $505, assuming 3% per month, will pay $4.050 over 36 months , net profit $3,545
A 100K booster for 3M cost $520, assuming 3% per month, will pay $1,350 over 3 months, need to renew, so net profit $830, now repeat 12 times to equal the 3 yr is $9,960 .
So a $500 investment will yield 2.8 times the ROI buying the 100K 3 month and renewing every 3 months.
When analyzing the boosters, what appears to be the most obvious is not always the right choice.
  • #1,619
  • Mar 7, 2026 1:10pm Mar 7, 2026 1:10pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- kinda do something similar with apex...... once stochastic is at extreme on 1, 5 or 15 minute...... start in inverse order of balance and place next accounts trades on fractals during last zigzag leg..... gradually moving up to the next fractal with next account...... like grid trading spread across 20 accounts..... once reversion to mean takes hold, it's like water going over a water wheel.....h //----- {image}
Should be zigzag and fractal not be same , depends on what amount of candles you use right and left of signal candle? So looks like you just use higher fractal candle for zigzag, you could also use just 2 different fractals (like 2 against 5).
  • #1,620
  • Mar 7, 2026 2:46pm Mar 7, 2026 2:46pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} More food for thought as I run numbers on boosters...talking strictly ROI here..... A 25K booster for 3Y cost $505, assuming 3% per month, will pay $4.050 over 36 months , net profit $3,545 A 100K booster for 3M cost $520, assuming 3% per month, will pay $1,350 over 3 months, need to renew, so net profit $830, now repeat 12 times to equal the 3 yr is $9,960 . So a $500 investment will yield 2.8 times the ROI buying the 100K 3 month and renewing every 3 months. When analyzing the boosters, what appears to be the most obvious is not always...
All the boosters can be purchased for 3 years.

The maximum allocation of boosters over 3 years, consisting of two 200k boosters and one 100k booster (500k total), would cost $9,945.

A 3% monthly return compounded over 36 months results in a total return of approximately 190%.

500.000 * 1.9 * 0.15 = $142,500
$142,500 - $9,945 = $132,555
ROI = ~1.230%, 13,3 times

That's just theory, though. Whether you'd actually achieve 3% per month over three years in practice is another question. It also doesn't take into account the time investment required for manual trading.

Let's say you trade for 1 hour a day for 3 years. That would be 1095 hours. Your hourly wage is $121.
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