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  • #1,561
  • Feb 24, 2026 7:41am Feb 24, 2026 7:41am
Quoting pipmaster77
Just had a eureka moment over coffee.......You are not leaving money on the table with the target boosters. Here's why.... The time is ticking on the instant while you are earning that money, let's say it takes a year. You get that year back on the back end of the target booster. In other words, you ONLY have 36 months of earning regardless of which you do..
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yes, both have only 36 months......

i'm sure some might be thinkin we're making too much out of nothing...... to me, it was very important at least knowing the true total $ cost......

the 20% target 200k booster costs (585$ + 20%)...... so what's 20% worth.....

it would take 4 months at 5% to finish, 20%...... so what's 4 months of 5% worth.....

if you make 5% in a month on 200k, you make 1000$..... 4 months would be 4000$......

(585 + 4000)....... so your total cost would be 4585$...... the instant is 3975$...... 500$ difference.....

the limiting factor for me is, do i have the 3975$.......

there are some other things that need to be considered also, but i'm hesitant to bring them up.....

wonder if the ict guys will jump on yesterdays fvg on the ym....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,562
  • Feb 24, 2026 9:10am Feb 24, 2026 9:10am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ yes, both have only 36 months...... i'm sure some might be thinkin we're making too much out of nothing...... to me, it was very important at least knowing the true total $ cost...... the 20% target 200k booster costs (585$ + 20%)...... so what's 20% worth..... it would take 4 months at 5% to finish, 20%...... so what's 4 months of 5% worth..... if you make 5% in a month on 200k, you make 1000$..... 4 months would be 4000$...... (585 + 4000)....... so your total cost would be 4585$...... the instant is 3975$...... 500$ difference........
But that 4 months you earned the 5% on, you will get that 4 months back on the end of the target booster.
  • #1,563
  • Feb 24, 2026 10:22am Feb 24, 2026 10:22am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} But that 4 months you earned the 5% on, you will get that 4 months back on the end of the target booster.
Exactly right. If you're going to compare apples with apples, whatever you make on the instant booster in 3 years, you must assume that you can make that exact same amount on the activated target booster in 3 years.
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  • #1,564
  • Feb 24, 2026 10:23am Feb 24, 2026 10:23am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Exactly right. If you're going to compare apples with apples, whatever you make on the instant booster in 3 years, you must assume that you can make that exact same amount on the target booster in 3 years.
That's what I'm thinking....so yes, 8 of them is far better than 1.
  • #1,565
  • Feb 24, 2026 1:14pm Feb 24, 2026 1:14pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Only 636 in Gold this month, top 140 get atleast the 50K I'm #207, got put pedal to metal next week.
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wonder why only 636 in gold ...... there almost 12,000 darwins....... some might not be eligible because of correlation issues and we would weed out those with less than 8 months or high drawdowns........

636 seems ridiculously low......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,566
  • Feb 24, 2026 1:41pm Feb 24, 2026 1:41pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- wonder why only 636 in gold ...... there almost 12,000 darwins....... some might not be eligible because of correlation issues and we would weed out those with less than 8 months or high drawdowns........ 636 seems ridiculously low......h
Only 3 qualifications:
8 months or longer
20% return if 1 year or less, 25% if 1-2 years, 30% if 2-3 years
2.5x total return vs. max DD
Considering only about 1700-1800 out of 9,000+ in Silver get allocated, looks like about 1/3 of those make Gold.
  • #1,567
  • Feb 24, 2026 5:15pm Feb 24, 2026 5:15pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- wonder why only 636 in gold ...... there almost 12,000 darwins....... some might not be eligible because of correlation issues and we would weed out those with less than 8 months or high drawdowns........ 636 seems ridiculously low......h
5% seems exactly right

95% of traders fail
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,568
  • Feb 24, 2026 6:47pm Feb 24, 2026 6:47pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} 5% seems exactly right 95% of traders fail
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dang........ didn't think about it like that......

thought we mixing with an elite group of suit and tie traders we could learn from...... and their just mostly a herd of beer drinking rednecks......

now i'm depressed.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,569
  • Feb 25, 2026 8:38am Feb 25, 2026 8:38am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- dang........ didn't think about it like that...... thought we mixing with an elite group of suit and tie traders we could learn from...... and their just mostly a herd of beer drinking rednecks...... now i'm depressed.....h
Well, we are pretty elite in here.
If you ever hop in their discord, though, it is alot of people who think they are joining a prop firm......they have no clue and then complain about the 100% they made in their signal account not getting them an 8K payout their first month.
  • #1,570
  • Feb 25, 2026 11:00am Feb 25, 2026 11:00am
Quoting pipmaster77
If you ever hop in their discord, though, it is alot of people who think they are joining a prop firm..... 8K payout their first month.
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yeah, hard for to read all that...... try to limit my time there..... very careful about what i allow in my mind......

discord even by definition suggests a less than positive environment.....

it's taken me quite a few months to get a good grasp of the best approach to darwin..... have changed my mind many times about the same thing.....

remember thinking, and posting, about 8k payout days..... turned out way harder than i thought.....

this coming monday should be my best ever..... unless i lose it all in next few days.....

working out a plan for when i hit gold...... never realized there were so few and that it's a single months return that rates everyone......

that's going to be fun......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,571
  • Feb 25, 2026 12:44pm Feb 25, 2026 12:44pm
it took me several months to realize i did not truly understand darwins makeup..... most likely it will take a year till i feel comfortable sayin i do......

it's quite a complicated system......

someone had mentioned the possibility of 100k a year..... to me, it seems a reasonable target......

below is just gee whiz type info having to do with boosters and costs...... those boosters were purchased this month at the instant price...... the 30k silver allotment is just that.....

darwin is giving us the tools to work with.....

the hard work is on us.....h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,572
  • Feb 25, 2026 1:27pm Feb 25, 2026 1:27pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- yeah, hard for to read all that...... try to limit my time there..... very careful about what i allow in my mind...... discord...
Yes, I have one in Gold. I kind of like the previous 5 month track record helping for allocations. In Gold, seems like you can risk higher as ONLY this month's return matters.....I would think since Gold is the highest tier, that consistent track record would come into play.
I'm at 1.15% gain for the month, sitting at #198, need to break top 140.
On another note, do you ever stop trading last 1-2 days of month if allocations are secured.......my other 2 Darwins are both in allocation position and also both have quarterly payout this Monday.....I probably will not trade them next 2 days. One does have much more wiggle room, with an 82 rating, so possibly will trade that one.
  • #1,573
  • Feb 25, 2026 1:52pm Feb 25, 2026 1:52pm
Quoting pipmaster77
On another note, do you ever stop trading last 1-2 days of month if allocations are secured......
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no, i trade till the end.......

most all mine are so high, i never even check the rating...... i think most start the month in the 80's...... it's really not something i focus on at all.....

long ago you said something similar, like you could lose that month and still qualify......

if i have a big payout approaching, there might be times where i really get selective on new trades......

usually give it no thought.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,574
  • Feb 26, 2026 4:14pm Feb 26, 2026 4:14pm
opened 2 more darwins today....... coded a edited version of trade copier to work with them only......

they should trade identical with 1 exception ......

1 account will double the contract size...... this is to test the contract size effect on the creation of the risk multiplier......

trades will be placed only on low margin required and low volatility symbols, only during low eurusd volatility hours...... this is to test the volatility effect of the risk multiplier......

they should be opened and closed during within a few hours....... this is to test the length of trade effect on the risk multiplier......

doubling the risk multiple doubles your pay...... the difference between 10$ and 20$........ or 100,000$ and 200,000$.......

fully understanding the risk multiple seems vital......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,575
  • Feb 26, 2026 7:23pm Feb 26, 2026 7:23pm
Quoting hayseed
opened 2 more darwins today....... coded a edited version of trade copier to work with them only...... they should trade identical with 1 exception ...... 1 account will double the contract size...... this is to test the contract size effect on the creation of the risk multiplier...... trades will be placed only on low margin required and low volatility symbols, only during low eurusd volatility hours...... this is to test the volatility effect of the risk multiplier...... they should be opened and closed during within a few hours....... this is...
Just speculating, but if everything else is the same and 1 trades double the size.....you will make the exact same amount of $$$$ on both.
The Darwin with double the size will have half the multiplier.
  • #1,576
  • Feb 26, 2026 7:48pm Feb 26, 2026 7:48pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Just speculating, but if everything else is the same and 1 trades double the size.....you will make the exact same amount of $$$$ on both. The Darwin with double the size will have half the multiplier.
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once it comes out of calibration we should be able to tell by the % return...... and then we can see the multipliers created......

i would like to know how their risk multiples compare over several months......

they should be done with calibration on the 23rd.......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,577
  • Feb 27, 2026 7:55am Feb 27, 2026 7:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} That's what I'm thinking....so yes, 8 of them is far better than 1.
And even better:

Say you setup your first account out of your own pocket. That is, you pay monthly subscriptions for a while, then max out your 3-year Target Boosters.
Then when your 3-year Target Boosters are all activated, pay for a 3-year subscription (Keeping Juan happy!), because it makes no sense to pay monthly subscriptions.

After that, keep the pot growing from booster payouts. Open up another account and pay for more 3-year Target Boosters and a lengthy subscription with Booster money/payouts.

Then wait for all Target Boosters to activate and rinse and repeat. Maybe do it Fibonacci style with the accounts i.e. 1,1,2,3,5,8,13, ...... LOL!

That way you're playing the long game in a very time and cost-effective way, because only your first account comes out of your own pocket and you have to wait which is key!

Of course, all this would be much better if you could open up accounts with the 1 email address. It's so 1990's at the moment!
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  • #1,578
  • Feb 27, 2026 8:12am Feb 27, 2026 8:12am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} And even better: Say you setup your first account out of your own pocket. That is, you pay monthly subscriptions for a while, then max out your 3-year Target Boosters. Then when your 3-year Target Boosters are all activated, pay for a 3-year subscription (Keeping Juan happy!), because it makes no sense to pay monthly subscriptions. After that, keep the pot growing from booster payouts. Open up another account and pay for more 3-year Target Boosters and a lengthy subscription with Booster money/payouts. Then wait for all Target Boosters to...
Yes, boosters fund further boosters, just like payouts fund further evals on the prop side.
I think you can create under same email now,,,,top left under your symbol, if you click there, option pops to add Darwin.
  • #1,579
  • Feb 27, 2026 8:16am Feb 27, 2026 8:16am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, boosters fund further boosters, just like payouts fund further evals on the prop side. I think you can create under same email now,,,,top left under your symbol, if you click there, option pops to add Darwin.
Really, mine just says "Coming Soon" when I move the mouse cursor over "New Darwin". Maybe I need to contact support.
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  • #1,580
  • Feb 27, 2026 8:22am Feb 27, 2026 8:22am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Really, mine just says "Coming Soon" when I move the mouse cursor over "New Darwin". Maybe I need to contact support.
Yes, mine says the same.
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