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  • #1,541
  • Feb 21, 2026 9:57am Feb 21, 2026 9:57am
Quoting codemaster75
so I would probably prefer 7 million 36-month(20%Target) boosters over 7 million in investors :-)
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me too...... odds of someone making that 20% in a year are fair...... at that point you have it made for 3 years......

the role of investor is more difficult than many think....... even the darwin index has lost 7% this month..... 12% max drawdown.....

that single account above is now sitting at 5000 euros made this month and i still have 6 trading days left......

like pip mentioned long ago, we are lucky because of the eurusd conversion...... 5k euros is almost 6k for us.......

investors and allocations are the icing on the cake.......h
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  • #1,542
  • Feb 21, 2026 10:07am Feb 21, 2026 10:07am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- me too...... odds of someone making that 20% in a year are fair...... at that point you have it made for 3 years...... the role of investor is more difficult than many think....... even the darwin index has lost 7% this month..... 12% max drawdown..... that single account above is now sitting at 5000 euros made this month and i still have 6 trading days left...... like pip mentioned long ago, we are lucky because of the eurusd conversion...... 5k euros is almost 6k for us....... investors and allocations are the icing on the cake.......h...
Yes, I find myself tracking EURUSD these days simply for my Darwin payouts.
  • #1,543
  • Feb 21, 2026 10:20am Feb 21, 2026 10:20am
[quote=hayseed;15584491]{quote} //----- there is a long line of traders waiting for darwin gold allocations and investors.... those guys have years head start.....

Only 636 in Gold this month, top 140 get atleast the 50K
I'm #207, got put pedal to metal next week.
  • #1,544
  • Feb 21, 2026 6:08pm Feb 21, 2026 6:08pm
[quote=pipmaster77;15584523]
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- there is a long line of traders waiting for darwin gold allocations and investors.... those guys have years head start..... Only 636 in Gold this month, top 140 get atleast the 50K I'm #207, got put pedal to metal next week.
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thanks..... some reason i was thinking it was the top 50......

only 636, wonder why so few...... would have thought it was thousands.....

just noticed it's ranked by return for the single month...... so i was wrong about them having a head start..... seniority does not matter.....

i like that......h
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  • #1,545
  • Feb 22, 2026 12:49am Feb 22, 2026 12:49am
Does anyone on the forum have a booster worth 50,000 for a year?
  • #1,546
  • Edited 2:09am Feb 23, 2026 1:03am | Edited 2:09am
Hayseed, what do you think of this strategy?

Buy 1 monthly DZero subscription account in say January.
Over the next month/quarter, buy Two 36M 200k Euro 20% Target (zero slippage) boosters.
Then maybe buy the remaining 36M 100k Euro 15%/20% Target (zero slippage) booster over the following 6 months.
At the end/beginning of the financial year (1st July) switch to 3-year subscription, hence paying no more fees for the next 3 years.

Wait 6 months and if all goes well do the following:

Buy 1 or 2 monthly DZero subscription accounts in say February and March with some minor trading system changes.
Over the next month/quarter/half, buy 36M 500k Euro 20% Target worth of (zero slippage) boosters for both accounts.
At the end/beginning of the financial year (1st July) switch to 1- or 3- year subscriptions for both accounts.

Wait 6 months and if all goes well rinse and repeat last section so that when you have to re-pay the 3-year 20% Target boosters and subscriptions, you always have accounts with boosters in them (hopefully activated).

Does that sound silly or unrealistic?

Although the odds of traders making the 20% Target are not good according to DZero statistics so that's why it's probably a good idea to be patient before jumping into more DZero accounts and boosters!
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  • #1,547
  • Feb 23, 2026 2:35am Feb 23, 2026 2:35am
Quoting codemaster75
Hayseed, what do you think of this strategy?
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that sounds good to me......

i have always opted for the instant ones because i was burning my mind trying to figure out the best approach......

there is really only around 500$ difference in the effective cost between instant and 20% target......

this is how i arrived at that.....

for easy math, lets assume we can make 5% per month..... we could say 2%, but whatever it would be linear so lets say 5...... and lets use the 36 month.....

on a 200k you should make 1000$ a month..... with the 20% target it would take you 4 months @ 5% during which you would have made but not been paid, 4000$.... the 20% target costs 585, so your total cost would be 4585$ which is more than the instant...... the 20% is still a good deal though.....

the 15% works out slightly better.....

the 5 and 10% targets work out almost identical......

it would take you 1 month to make the 5%, 1000$, which you will not receive and your initial cost is 2180...... so effectively 3180 it cost you....

it would take you 2 month to make the 10%, 2000$, which you will not receive and your initial cost is 1190...... so effectively 3190 it cost you....

and again, 5% is high, i just used it for easy math...... the end cost would be the same because it's linear.......

you can for sure make 5% and without high risk if you take nothing less than ideal entrys......

to make 5% in the futures account with a risk multiple of 1, you need to average a little 2000 a day in your signal account..... it can be done.....

like you said, it seems best to gradually make the purchases over time..... and best by far to have a high risk multiple coming out of calibration.....with a risk multiple of 2 being ideal......

i still like the instants but now leaning toward the 10% targets.....h
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  • #1,548
  • Edited 3:33am Feb 23, 2026 3:16am | Edited 3:33am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- that sounds good to me...... i have always opted for the instant ones because i was burning my mind trying to figure out the best approach...... there is really only around 500$ difference in the effective cost between instant and 20% target...... this is how i arrived at that.....h
Excellent analysis, but I believe there is one vital bit of information that may have been overlooked:

1) Boosters are not Permanent.
2) Also Note: Target Boosters are only activated once you hit the % Target. (On the Allocations section of the DZero account portal it says "There is no deadline to reach the target. Once your quote grows by xx %, your allocation will unlock and remain active for the full xx months.")

So, if you look at the 3-year lifetime from a Return from Investment point of view, the 20% Target wins hands down.

36M Instant Boosters are activated instantly, and you get 3 years to break even with that huge upfront payment.
36M Target Boosters are activated only when you reach the target, so you have the full 3 years to break even with that small upfront payment.

What are your thoughts on this?
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  • #1,549
  • Feb 23, 2026 4:05am Feb 23, 2026 4:05am
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Excellent analysis, but I believe there is one vital bit of information that may have been overlooked: 1) Boosters are not Permanent. 2) Also Note: Target Boosters are only activated once you hit the % Target. (On the Allocations section of the DZero account portal it says "There is no deadline to reach the target. Once your quote grows by xx %, your allocation will unlock and remain active for the full xx months.") So, if you look at the 3-year lifetime from a Return from Investment point of view, the 20% Target wins hands down. 36M Instant...
Great point, since the time activates AFTER target hit, you need a much smaller amount to recoup.
To your first point, just like props, where payouts fund further evals, on Darwin, payouts fund further boosters.
  • #1,550
  • Edited 6:16am Feb 23, 2026 5:50am | Edited 6:16am
Even better, how about this for a strategy?

Buy 1 monthly DZero subscription account in say January.
Over the next month/quarter, buy Two 36M 200k Euro 20% Target (zero slippage) boosters.
Then maybe buy the remaining 36M 100k Euro 15%/20% Target (zero slippage) booster over the following 6 months.
At the end/beginning of the financial year (1st July) switch to 3-year subscription, hence paying no more fees for the next 3 years.

Wait 6 months (maybe less) and if all goes well do the following:

Buy another monthly DZero subscription account in say February with some minor trading system changes.
Every time a booster is activated from previous account, buy the same 36M 20% Target (zero slippage) booster.
At the end/beginning of the financial year (1st July) switch to 1- or 3- year subscription.

After boosters are maxed out. Wait 6 months (maybe less), then rinse and repeat last step.

Does that sound crazy or what?
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  • #1,551
  • Feb 23, 2026 10:22am Feb 23, 2026 10:22am
Quoting codemaster75
Buy another monthly DZero subscription account in say February with some minor trading system changes.?
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is there a reason for minor system changes.....

we can buy the the 36 month 200k at 20% target for 585$ but it's true cost is much more.....

this weekend hopefully i will be better able to explain the full cost of the target boosters...... the account i want to use as example is in a 7k drawdown right now because my trade copier is not working as i tried to code it....... it's my fault......

20% targets have the lowest initial cost upfront but are more expensive than buying it instant at full price if you consider everything......

the 5% ones are more pricey but can be paid for in a single day in a single trade........ 50,000 is 5% of a million $ futures account...... so if you can make 50k in a single day, or single trade, you have it covered in 1 trade or one day........ i've had quite a few 50k trades....... my natgas account had a 160k day......

the safest route is to just focus on 1000 a day in the signal account, speaking of futures...... that should give you 2% per month..... if your multiplier is 2 or greater, that would be effectively 4% a month......

there is way more to consider , it's just hard to explain......

i think your 6 month plan is great...... even if it took a year, it would be great......

slower can be better......h
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  • #1,552
  • Feb 23, 2026 10:39am Feb 23, 2026 10:39am
Quoting codemaster75
(zero slippage) boosters. Target (zero slippage) booster.
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was wondering......... what do you mean by zero slippage.....h
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  • #1,553
  • Feb 23, 2026 11:39am Feb 23, 2026 11:39am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ was wondering......... what do you mean by zero slippage.....h
Think of your own DZero trading account or signal account as the master account and everything else as your slave account.

The slippage I'm talking about is when the slave account places your order (by copying the master account), how much price difference is there between the price you get in at on your slave account relative to your master account. If your slave account is a demo account like the index or allocations(if their corresponding demo account even exist), then there will most likely be hardly any price difference no matter what the lot size is, but if your slave account is a 7-million-dollar live investor account then there is a good chance of a big price difference, hence reducing profit.

Also, the reason for minor system changes is, I was thinking you might be better off with less correlated accounts, but that's very debatable due to the correlation rule on subscriptions.
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  • #1,554
  • Feb 23, 2026 11:41am Feb 23, 2026 11:41am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- is there a reason for minor system changes..... we can buy the the 36 month 200k at 20% target for 585$ but it's true cost is much more..... this weekend hopefully i will be better able to explain the full cost of the target boosters...... the account i want to use as example is in a 7k drawdown right now because my trade copier is not working as i tried to code it....... it's my fault...... 20% targets have the lowest initial cost upfront but are more expensive than buying it instant at full price if you consider everything.........
Minor system changes would get you un-correlated and therefore be open to seed allocations in all accounts.
I understand what you mean by total cost, I believe, you are factoring the money left on the table while achieving the target.
  • #1,555
  • Feb 23, 2026 12:04pm Feb 23, 2026 12:04pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Minor system changes would get you un-correlated and therefore be open to seed allocations in all accounts. I understand what you mean by total cost, I believe, you are factoring the money left on the table while achieving the target.
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exactly.....

but darwin is still the best for me all things considered.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,556
  • Feb 23, 2026 12:33pm Feb 23, 2026 12:33pm
Quoting codemaster75
{quote} Think of your own DZero trading account or signal account as the master account and everything else as your slave account. The slippage I'm talking about is when the slave account places your order (by copying the master account), how much price difference is there between the price you get in at on your slave account relative to your master account. .
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ok, now i see your point...... yes, the possibility is real......

in a sense that is what i'm doing now...... my entergy account is the master and all others are coping it's trades....... there is a lag in the time the slave accounts market orders are placed...... and the more slave accounts the longer the lag cause only 1 account at a time can be reading the common file at a time..... they must take their turn...... only a few seconds lag maybe, never have checked.....

however, unless you are using limit orders, you have a 50 50 shot of the slave account entering better...... and you can have a 100% chance of it exiting much better......

the first chart below is all todays trades in the entergy account........ it's the master..... notice how small the profit was on each......

now look at the next one, prissy's account...... it is one of the slave accounts copying those trades...... see how much larger the profit was..... every slave account would be like that......

the slave accounts trades may or may not have entered better but the exits more than makes up for it.....h
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  • #1,557
  • Feb 23, 2026 12:52pm Feb 23, 2026 12:52pm
Quoting hayseed
every slave account would be like that...... the slave accounts trades may or may not have entered better but the exits more than makes up for it.....h
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here is natgas...... same day....... same trades...... 8k total ...... slightly better overall...... you can tune that some.......

remember, we only need 1000 a day in the signal account......h
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  • #1,558
  • Feb 23, 2026 8:44pm Feb 23, 2026 8:44pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I understand what you mean by total cost, I believe, you are factoring the money left on the table while achieving the target.
If you look at it from a $ point of view, then yes money left on the table while achieving the target (i.e. Target Booster) would seem worse off.
But if you look at it from a % point of view, the Target Booster would seem better off.

If you just buy 1 booster vs 1 target, then I can still see how one can conclude the money left on the table while achieving the target (i.e. Target Booster) would still seem worse off.

Now the cost of a 36M 200K instant booster is around $3975 USD or $3575 Euro
and the cost of a 36M 200k 20% Target booster is around $585 USD or $525 Euro
$3975/$585 = 6.8. Let's say instant costs 6 times more than 20% Target.

So, you can buy six 36M 200k 20% Target Boosters (spread over 3 accounts) for less than the price of an instant booster.

My question is Does the money left on the table while achieving the target (i.e. Target Booster) still seem worse off if you instead buy multiple 20% target boosters for less than the price of 1 instant booster?
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  • #1,559
  • Feb 23, 2026 10:18pm Feb 23, 2026 10:18pm
Quoting codemaster75
My question is Does the money left on the table while achieving the target (i.e. Target Booster) still seem worse off if you instead buy multiple 20% target boosters for less than the price of 1 instant booster?
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yes.... the math suggests it is....... but for most of us it's not a question of which is better or worse...... it's a question of what we can afford.......

few can afford 6 instant 36 month boosters, that would be 24k...... like you said, maybe we can afford 6 of the 585 target price ones and just put in the time earning the 20%......

time we have plenty of...... money is often scarce.....

so from a practical standpoint, the target types might be our only option...... we pay with time....h
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  • #1,560
  • Feb 24, 2026 4:38am Feb 24, 2026 4:38am
Just had a eureka moment over coffee.......You are not leaving money on the table with the target boosters. Here's why....
The time is ticking on the instant while you are earning that money, let's say it takes a year. You get that year back on the back end of the target booster.
In other words, you ONLY have 36 months of earning regardless of which you do.
The permananet was a different story as there was no time factor.
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